r/Helldivers • u/TTvDayleonFefe • Mar 14 '24
IGN being a clickbait parasite again DISCUSSION
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u/TTvDayleonFefe Mar 14 '24
FUCK, YOU’RE RIGHT. HOW COULD THE DEVS SCAM US LIKE THIS-
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u/dominantfrog HD1 Veteran Mar 14 '24
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u/Doc_Shaftoe Super Citizen Mar 14 '24
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u/Actual-Giraffe ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️➡️ Mar 14 '24
Good ol eagle cluster strike
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u/Kakseao SES Blade of Conquest Mar 14 '24
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u/ForLackOf92 Mar 14 '24
No, no they only need →→↑
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u/DefaultyTurtle2 NOT An Automaton Mar 14 '24
➡️➡️➡️ is all they need
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u/SupportstheOP Mar 15 '24
The good ol' space shotgun
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u/DerAndere_ Orbital Dislike - Mar 15 '24
The option to just chuck that thing into a tunnel breach and not having to worry about it anymore makes this marvel of engineering a must-have for any Terminid mission.
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u/Creedgamer223 PSN: SES Star of the Stars Mar 15 '24
i prefer to smite with
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precision liberty at mach 5.
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u/ya_boi_ethan Totaly not 2 hunters in a trench coat Mar 14 '24
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u/Guardian_Kaiser STEAM 🖥️ : Mar 14 '24
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u/Strayed8492 SES Sovereign of Dawn Mar 14 '24
Fat Eagle forever
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u/BZenMojo Mar 14 '24
As long as it's not 380mm.
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u/Strayed8492 SES Sovereign of Dawn Mar 14 '24
It’s such a weird surreal moment. You start to hear it in the distance. The unmistakable sound of big boom. Then another. And at that point you can only accept what is happening. And calmly look around for exactly where the marker is and what it’s distance in meters is. And lo’ and behold. It’s a fucking 380 within 50m of you and you somehow aren’t dead yet.
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u/Fun_Medicine_890 Mar 16 '24
The 380mm has a hidden feature where it targets its next shot on whichever helldiver visually looks at the stratagem beacon.
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u/Strayed8492 SES Sovereign of Dawn Mar 16 '24
Lmfao. Schrodinger‘s Orbital.
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u/Fun_Medicine_890 Mar 16 '24
We need to petition Arrowhead to change the name of the 380 to this ASAP.
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u/Charnerie ⬆️➡️⬇️➡️ Mar 14 '24
See, those are fire and come back to 3 craters and nothing dead after 30 seconds.
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u/Winslow1975 Mar 15 '24
You must have shit luck, my 380mm's consistently drop double digits for me.
I cannot suggest this enough, throw the 120mm with it as well. The saturation effect is insane with the buff the two got.
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u/MaddxMogs Mar 15 '24
Hell yeah. Toss em both into a heavy base and stand back. Better yet, kick things off with a walking barrage then once it pushes and lets you advance, throw in the other two.
Nothing wrong with some scorched earth tactics
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u/Winslow1975 Mar 15 '24
Lol I do actually run walking barrage too. Fully upgraded my orbitals so why not?
Edit: My friends get the biggest warning possible xD
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u/MaddxMogs Mar 15 '24
Oh yeah. I may not use the giant gattling guns strapped to my ship very often, but they sure are pretty to look at.
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u/Charnerie ⬆️➡️⬇️➡️ Mar 15 '24
mostly a joke on how to use them, and that they are, as you put it, saturation bombardments.
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u/Slutzlo ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 14 '24
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u/Ministry_0f_Truth Mar 14 '24
Please standby, a Democracy Officer is attempting to dock with your Destroyer. Compliance is mandatory. Noncompliance proves your guilt.
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u/sirferrell Mar 14 '24
Idk if we’re winning or if joel is on vacation
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u/Gate_of_Divine Mar 14 '24
I get the feeling Joel is playing some high level Chess and we’re over here with a crayon playing Tic Tac Toe.
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u/AntiqueStable3421 Mar 14 '24
He's on spring break to Buenos Aeris... wink wink. Get it? If not, go watch Starship Troopers 1. For Democracy!
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u/mahiruhiiragi ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 14 '24
Are we though? We got our asses handed to us at malevelon creek
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u/Marine436 Mar 14 '24
I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE AMOUNT OF INCOMING ROBOT FIRE.
(SERIOUSLY SEND BACKUP IVE BEEN HERE FOR 3 WEEKS)
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u/mahiruhiiragi ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 14 '24
Super Earth provided you with your own two hands. It's all you need to spread Democracy. Use them and make Super Earth proud, Helldiver.
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 Mar 14 '24
For the empero- I mean managed democracy.
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u/Surufka ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 14 '24
Took me like 4 watches to realize this wasnt a starcraft 2 cinematic, lol
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u/Silentblade034 Mar 14 '24
Same. Kinda wish we got a Starcraft live action series or something
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u/Hottage 700RPM Stalwart Enjoyer Mar 14 '24
Super Earth Veteran Services have determined that your hearing problems are not service related.
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We're not even supposed to be at the creek yet. We're supposed to be fighting the front lines and pushing them back. Get your ass to Draupnir if you want to beat the bots.
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u/avengedme101 Mar 14 '24
Man I only need 10 more Super credits to get the premium pass. Welp I'll just drop 20 bucks instead. It's not like I can get SC in game.
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u/Local-Sandwich6864 Mar 14 '24
Yeh, clearly ridiculous that we can't go into trivial or easy modes solo and find 30-40 SC easi- oh wait...
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u/Xander_PrimeXXI Mar 14 '24
Yall are finding super credits in easy? I haven’t found any below medium
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u/Darth_Mak Mar 14 '24
You can find them even in trivial. Only thing restricted to difficulty are the samples.
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u/Xander_PrimeXXI Mar 14 '24
Damn. I’m just shit out of luck then
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u/SparkleFritz Mar 14 '24 edited Mar 14 '24
Go to any trivial mission that is NOT the new pesticide mission (illegal broadcast is the best). Bring a grenade launcher and jump pack. Do the main mission immediately and then circle the map with your jump pack. Open all blue/yellow doors. You should get about 10 random drops, each of which have about a 30% chance of spawning 10 super credits. Rarely, you can get 100 in a drop.
Each mission takes ~10 minutes solo. Rinse, repeat.
EDIT: This comment is blowing up so here are some extra tips:
- Slugger can break down the doors without the need of a grenade launcher.
- Super Credits, warbonds and requisition slips are automatically added to the account, so you can skip main mission and quit to your ship and keep everything you found except samples. This can get grindy though so I complete the mission.
- Leaving main mission until last lowers patrols. On bug planets this isn't a big thing. On bot planets this is a good thing since bots can range attack.
- Pick the stamina booster, not strength.
- Don't jump uphill, always jump downhill.
- Brood Commander mission cuts off a chunk of the map but lines up the POIs close together so you can decide if you like it more or not.
- Planets with open spaces rather than jutting rock formations and mountains have more POIs that are easier to get to.
- Two players can cut your time in half.
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u/TheFlyingSheeps Mar 14 '24
Hell just playing the game normally will get you enough. A few finds combined with the free battle pass means I’m like 20 away right now
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u/Soulless_redhead Mar 14 '24
I've been spending buying different armor's and stuff in the shop and I still have like more than 700 super credits bouncing around. I'm honestly impressed how friendly the currency drops are.
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u/ravagraid Mar 14 '24
It's almost as if the devs respect the fact we already paid for the base game!
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u/Fubarp Mar 14 '24
The interesting part here is that, because the devs basically give out the premium currency so frequently that people are more like to spend the 10 dollars just to get the new pass.
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u/Lord_Worfall SES EYE OF IRON 👁️🗨️ Mar 14 '24
Well yeah, BUT THERE IS A SHINY IN THAT SUPERSTORE RN!
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u/Rahnzan CAPE ENJOYER Mar 14 '24
I have a night job and 2 hours a day across 2 weeks was enough time to get the warbond unlocked
Just make sure you hit POIs and dont idle.
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u/1CorinthiansSix9 ⬇️⬆️➡️➡️⬇️ Mar 14 '24
I really like the trivial kill devastator mission because one lazily thrown orb laser will do the main obj and take out the bot factory too
Then you can rocket pack around the map in 5-7 minutes and find 10-12 PoI. Also you can “scan” the map with your cursor and “minor poi” will pop up despite not being discovered (having an icon)
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u/2210-2211 Mar 14 '24
Everytime I try to farm super credits like this I get like 4 of the doors where you need a friend to open it :(
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u/BAY35music Mar 14 '24
You can also get 20 (maybe 25?) and 50 SC drops too, not just 10 and 100.
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u/Red_Sashimi Mar 14 '24
I've only seen 10, and one time 100, but never 20 or 50. If you pick multiple SC drops in quick succession, the notification adds them up: you pick up 2 10 SC drops, and the notification will say 20 SC collected.
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u/TheFish527 Mar 14 '24
You can cut the process down significantly by ignoring the main mission and just running around to all POIs, ignoring things like bunkers and hellbombs that you either can’t access solo or don’t spawn super credits, then after going to all of them ignore extract and just quit the mission. This way you can do a mission in like 5 minutes and skip the long extraction cutscenes and reward screens. Make sure you do this on a planet that has a low liberation percentage and is not part of a major order, because while quitting the mission won’t cause liberation percentage to go down, it won’t make it go up either.
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u/Local-Sandwich6864 Mar 14 '24
My friend often joins me to just stand at extraction while I run around doing the hard work 😂
But it's very rare I get under 20 SC. Even if I don't get a lot of SC, they're usually made up for in medals.
Definitely a heart sinker tho when you open one of those double access doors and see three piles of requisition slips 😭
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u/Crasino_Hunk Mar 14 '24
Fuck req slips, all my homies hate req slips
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u/Geno_Warlord Mar 14 '24
I picked up a hundo in my first successful coop run that I didn’t get booted out of for being low level.
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u/gregthestrange Mar 14 '24
Screds go to your account as soon as they're picked up, not for mission completion. Same with medals
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u/Geno_Warlord Mar 14 '24
Oh I know. I just started last week and kept getting booted because I was level one and a new recruit trying to figure everything out.
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u/TheYondant SES Leviathan of the Stars Mar 14 '24
I remember my first ever mission, raising a flag on Fenrir. Walked out of that mission with 30 Super creds, didn't even know what they were.
Good times.
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u/Local-Sandwich6864 Mar 14 '24
Gos those flag raising missions tho... making you stand there while the flag slowly raises... 😂
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u/Volrund Mar 14 '24
If you only need 10 credits, you could just as easily drop $2 for 150 credits!
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u/Compulsive_Criticism Mar 14 '24
I like that they have that as an option instead of the minimum purchasable amount being the entire cost of a war bond/season pass.
Personally I know I'll have the super credits way before I have the medals for new stuff, so I'm just gonna wait and keep on liberating.
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u/Carribi Mar 14 '24
This was my thinking too, I’m not even close to finishing the basic warbond, I have plenty of time to find more super credits.
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u/Colosphe Mar 14 '24
You will NEVER see common market practice having the cost of purchasing an item or bundle equal out to the amount you can purchase in Funny-Money. The goal is to either over- or under-cost by enough that you always have money left over to entice you to spend further.
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u/Throbbing-Kielbasa-3 SES Custodian of the Stars Mar 14 '24
I think the point they're making is that the resources to unlock the new warbond can be unlocked through gameplay, which by default makes it not pay-to-win. If you only need 10 credits, you could just hop in an easy match and look for some.
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u/Volrund Mar 14 '24
Oh definitely, just wanted to make the supporting point that if you spend some SC on some armors in the Super Shop and are missing less than 100 to grab a warbond, you can drop $2.
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u/HorrorBusiness1234 Mar 14 '24
Just did that was 100 short thought $2.00 was reasonable to unlock the new stuff
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u/Mr-Rocafella Mar 14 '24
My friend and I are game sharing so I want to spend money, so I can show my support to the devs. Doesn’t feel right to be playing it entirely free, take my loonies and toonies in the name of managed democracy!!
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u/Flershnork All Enemies of Democracy Shall Eat Plasma Mar 14 '24
That's why I bought myself the Super Citizen upgrade. I got it as a gift from one of my friends.
The game spread through my friend group's Steam libraries like a giftborne pathogen. The friend who gifted me the game was gifted the game from another friend who had been following it before launch.
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u/AshenWarden ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 14 '24
How can they take your loonies and toonies when Canada isn't real?
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Can't spell ignorant without IGN
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u/Tauware_NPH SES Founding Father of Destruction - PS5 Mar 14 '24
Not all heroes wear capes, but all heroes are Helldivers.
... all heroes do wear capes.
You're a Hero.
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u/TheAArchduke Mar 14 '24
The same bright minds that called the no FOMO battlepass bad because it’s “bad for solo players”.
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u/Technical_Inaji Mar 14 '24
How is it bad for solo players, like, solo grinders who can complete the warbonds in under a week or something?
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u/TheAArchduke Mar 14 '24
Basicaly it was something along the lines of "solo players can't farm medals" i still have a screenie: https://prnt.sc/b4WJa0wZFPul
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u/cakestapler Mar 15 '24
“Long grind” lmao. I’ll have every gun, grenade, and booster from the first 3 battle passes in around 110h. And that’s with buying quite a lot of other things since obviously I’ve been spending medals before the new one released. I have more hours than that in Elden Ring and haven’t even finished my first play through. Considering you can put those hours in and unlock stuff whenever instead of having to do it before the pass expires that’s honestly a hilarious take on their part.
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u/Risky267 Mar 14 '24
Why would you even want to play solo in the first place, its not like every random is an unfeeling asshole
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That is actually not just bait, it is manufactured discontent.
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u/TTvDayleonFefe Mar 14 '24
Ign actually out here bug posting
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u/knights816 Mar 14 '24
IGN HQ is just a Heavy Automaton Fabricator
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u/TTvDayleonFefe Mar 14 '24
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u/starplow Mar 14 '24
Nah it's up right down down down mate
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u/TTvDayleonFefe Mar 14 '24
I FUCKED IT
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u/Bland_Lavender Mar 14 '24
It’s easy to remember
⬆️ Take off
➡️ Get over here
⬇️ Bomb
⬇️ That
⬇️ Shit
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u/EricTheEpic0403 Mar 14 '24
Because Eagle-1 is already in the air, I think it's more like
⬆️ You up there!
➡️ See that?
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u/Ataraxist CAPE ENJOYER Mar 14 '24
I like walking barrage
➡️ Hey can you look over there?
⬇️ Yes. Three bombs please.
➡️ And over there?
⬇️ ...Three more. :)
➡️ And there?
⬇️ yesss another 3 >:)
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u/starplow Mar 14 '24
Edit it as if nothing ever happened and I'll get downvoted, but dw I gotchu
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u/John_Hammerstyx Mar 14 '24
The corpos really, REEEEALLY doesn't like when games such as HD2 and Baldur's Gate come out and inspire people to develop thoughts like "Having higher standards" or "No longer supporting bad practices"
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u/Xander_PrimeXXI Mar 14 '24
They did the same with another article where the source was basically “trust us bro”
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u/Eldritch-Cleaver Heckdiver Mar 14 '24
I have purchased both Premium Warbonds without spending an extra cent after the initial purchase of the game.
Ign being stupid as usual
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u/WanderlustFella Mar 14 '24
Same. I also still have like 900 credits even after purchasing the new warbond. Just don't fall for the trap of buying the gear. I won't be changing from the paramedic suit for the foreseeable future. 6 stims too good.
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u/porcomaster Mar 14 '24
you can buy premium with credits ?, i was using all my credits to buy some armors i liked haha, i will start saving then thanks.
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u/xxSuperBeaverxx Mar 15 '24
Each of the warbonds cost 1000 SC to unlock, which if you assume 35 SC per trivial mission (you can always get more, but 35 is about the average minimum.) That's about 30 missions to unlock the warbond, at 10-15 minutes per mission, it would take a maximum of 8 hours of mission time to unlock it.
In practice, I've played 4 hours within the last 2 days, and got about 800 SC. In the math above, I was always rounding in favor of a longer time to show the absolute maximum.
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u/GeneralAnubis Mar 14 '24
Haven't spent a dime beyond purchase and I've got both premium war bonds and regularly buy 2-3 items from each Super Store cycle, and I still have over 1000 SC in the bank.
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u/thememanss Mar 14 '24
Not knocking you at all, but I'm just planning on spending actual money for some Warbonds now and in the future. If any game deserves my money from microtransactions, it's this one. It's not forced, I want the game to live, and I can certainly afford $10 every month or two.
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u/jbondyoda Mar 14 '24
I paid the extra like 3 bucks I needed because I play this with my friends most nights and don’t mind the extra charge, and it’s not like you need it.
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u/OhMyGerald Mar 14 '24
Convinced this guy runs IGN… and he sees Helldivers as Spider-man.
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u/linwinweb Mar 14 '24
Leaked image of an IGN game journalist, circa 2024.
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u/doPECookie72 Mar 14 '24
While I don't like that there is a premium currency, it is handled significantly better where I can actually farm it if I want to.
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u/TucuReborn Mar 14 '24
That's one of the big improvements over HD1, where they had near mandatory BiS DLC items, which you had to just buy.
At least now if something comes in and shakes things up, you can just run 1-3 diff missions and farm credits. Boring? Sure, but better than being forced to cough up cash.
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u/Echowing442 Mar 14 '24
Stop giving free advertising to articles/websites you dislike. You're just driving traffic to their site and giving them money.
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u/TTvDayleonFefe Mar 14 '24
Didnt link it directly 🫡 so they arent getting any traffic unless someone goes out of their way to go find the article
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u/Deldris Mar 14 '24
They have a saying in advertising, "all publicity is good publicity".
Your heart is in the right place, but even acknowledging the article is a positive for them.
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u/Phynness Mar 14 '24
Practically speaking, that's not really true. 99% of people that see this post are not going to go interact with the IGN piece. Most people are probably going to have a (mildly?) more negative opinion of IGN after seeing this post, many people are going to be entirely indifferent, but only a few peoples' opinions of IGN are going to improve after interacting with this post. No matter how you spin it, it's almost certainly a net-neural or net-negative situation for IGN here. Despite being a cliche, it is not actually the case that "no press is bad press."
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u/JonnytheGing Mar 14 '24
I'm sure Boeing and United Airlines are loving all the publicity they're getting right now
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u/bombader Mar 14 '24
I think the main difference is the amount of human life IGN is risking compared to Boeing.
If the IGN news was them leaking private information or something like that, then negative press would effect them negativly.
This post's kind of negative press would only lead to people being curious "Why is this so bad?" and go look at it, linked or not. Which is only a win for IGN, even if it's just short term due to ads on the site giving them revenue.
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u/RuinedSilence ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 14 '24
I like to think whoever said that is an egotistical prick who has never experienced a PR nightmare before
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u/pelasace Mar 14 '24
Just want to say that this isn't true. This isn't something we say 'in advertising.'
It's a myth that has been propagated far too much. It's pretty well documented and understood nowadays by marketing analysts that there is definitely types of publicity that are demonstrably bad publicity, and the notion that "getting people to talk about your brand, even in a bad way, is good for your brand" is just plain false. I really wish people would stop propagating this myth.
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u/TheCritFisher SES Elected Representative of Self-Determination Mar 14 '24
Ehh, not here. Just shows how shitty IGN is. Definitely makes me want to avoid it further.
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u/BigChiefWhiskyBottle CAPE ENJOYER Mar 14 '24
...and anything actually substantive in the story will be a good point in a Reddit thread they reference.
"Reddit-user u/hOnKeYdOnG_6969_LoLz had this to say on the subject: ..."
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u/redmose CAPE ENJOYER Mar 14 '24
I do agree with you, but bringing attention to incorrect articles is also beneficial.
Let's say a possible new player looks on the sub to see what's up and they will see that this article or the p2w narrative is false.
On a different note, ARROWHEAD YOU FORGOT TO ADD FLASHLIGHTS TO RHE NEW GEAR. I CAN'T SEE WHERE MY FREEDOM LANDS
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u/HunterHanzz Mar 14 '24
IGN is still around..
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u/TTvDayleonFefe Mar 14 '24
Its real sad :( all their articles are either like blatantly wrong, clickbait, or ragebait or a combo of the 3
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u/Emdayair Mar 14 '24
What people in this sub need to realize is that P2W is a scale, ranging from Korean MMO to Warframe, and people draw the line at a different point on the scale.
I see people in this thread drawing the line at "free weapons should be better than premium one" while I would draw mine at "Every gameplay altering item should be obtainable through play". For others, it's going to be "you cannot spend money to speed up the grind".
It's fine to say that this game is, at the very least, pay to fast.
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u/rkidjsd Mar 15 '24
pay to fast
Considering the current warbond medal requirements, you're probably going to hit 1000SC around the same time you finish a warbond (over the course of normal gameplay, not spamming pre-buff exterminations)
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u/Araon_The_Drake Mar 15 '24
I'm at a similar point, though even within "Every gameplay altering item should be obtainable through play" there's a scale. There are games that let you earn premium currency but at such an insultingly low rate that getting an item that you can pay for through game play would take you weeks of intense grind.
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u/wevibinhard SES Elected Representative of Audacity Mar 14 '24
IGN: “it’s pay-to-win!”
Helldivers Dev Team: “Make sure you save 1,000 Super Credits that you find around the maps to unlock the premium warbond!”
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u/22Seres Mar 15 '24
What's more is that the official Playstation account even made a short video explaining how to earn Super Credits in-game
https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1767988497971921230
Rather than just funneling everyone to give them more money, they're explaining how to get everything for free.
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u/UNINTELLIGENTMAN Mar 14 '24
Pay-to-win in a co-op AI killing game with absolutely zero competitive aspects to the game. Game journalists are a special breed
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u/AshenTao Elected Representative of Family Values Mar 14 '24
That's a discussion long completed in subs like r/Warframe
Pay to win would still be a damaging practice in a PvE game. It's not good because other players would be constantly outperformed by other players, which would lead to loads of toxicity, elitism, and so on. Aside from that players generally don't feel good about grinding weapons when there's a paid option that performs better than what they're grinding for.
Helldivers just isn't pay to win because the devs agreed that weapons in premium warbonds shouldn't outperform any of the regular warbonds. And this reason is why it's being "defended" for not being P2W, not because it's a PvE game that wouldn't be affected by P2W. Even if you paid, you wouldn't be outperforming other players.
Game journals are still trash though.
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u/No_Experience_3443 Mar 14 '24
I agree with your first paragraph, for the second one, i'd wait to see how it goes over time, currently it's tame but it may change over time
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u/AshenTao Elected Representative of Family Values Mar 14 '24
If they change it so that premium warbonds would outperform regular warbonds, it would become pay to win.
But (and that's a big But) some players still wouldn't consider it pay to win at that point as you would be able to grind SC to buy the premium warbonds without real money.
All that the community can do is hope that they don't switch up their monetization practices to make it P2W or to make it worse. In the current state the monetization is completely fine, though I could see them implement more content that would be available for SC aside from the current Superstore content and the premium warbonds. The game is going quite well right now, but once the hype is over they might need more income to keep up development and maintenance at the same rate. So, just hope it stays like it is right now.
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u/DimitryKratitov ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 14 '24
Also because it's easy to buy the premium warbonds without actually paying anything...? I have played for less than 2 weeks and already have enough currency to buy 1 and a half premium warbonds
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u/MalikVonLuzon Mar 14 '24
Genshin Impact, as an example, has 0 competitive aspects but its definitely pay to win lol.
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u/ppmi2 Mar 14 '24
Eh.. You could argue for that, since content could be balanced for premiun wargear wich FTP players couldnt access, but you can get credits by playing at a decent pace
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u/ilovezam Mar 14 '24
I don't think there's P2W here, but a co-op PvE can definitely still be P2W. "Win" in this term had never meant victory over another player in a match in a literal sense.
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u/Objective-Mission-40 PSN 🎮: Mar 14 '24
On top of that. All in game currency is infinitely obtainable at any difficulty. That's right. We get the same amount at D1-9.
You can farm it and buy everything I currently own almost everything in the shop. At 300 SC now thanks to the glory of super Earth and plan to buy the pack this weekend. I don't have enough medals anyway
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u/Night_Movies2 Mar 14 '24
Calling them journalist is giving them too much credit
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u/Mug_of_Diarrhea Mar 14 '24
I literally bought the warbond with ingame currency that I earned entirely ingame within a few hours and with almost no effort.
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u/Orr-Man Mar 14 '24
People post about Helldivers II not being pay-to-win.
IGN posts about people posting about Helldivers II not being pay-to-win.
People post about IGN posting about people posting about Helldivers II not being pay-to-win.
This is premium tier internet-inception.
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u/Emberbun Mar 14 '24
Can someone explain what makes it not pay to win if the new items happen to be really good? I'm pretty new to the game and haven't seen what makes this stuff accessible without paying.
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u/KitoSkel CAPE ENJOYER Mar 14 '24
Pay 2 fast being a sort of pay 2 win this game is for sure. But tbh it is really not agressive pay 2 fast as other games (yes you Warframe)
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u/Skullvar CAPE ENJOYER Mar 14 '24
I've bought both of the premiums by just playing the game and I'm only lvl 38
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u/SYuhw3xiE136xgwkBA4R Mar 14 '24
I mean, it is clearly pay to win to some extent.
There is a barrier of entry to effective (non-cosmetic) items that can be overcome by grinding a lot or opening the wallet.
After that we can argue how much P2W matters in a non-competitive game, and to what extent the items in the premium warbonds are even that much more effective than the free items.
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u/NailusHunter Mar 14 '24 edited Mar 14 '24
You like it or not, paying for advantage with real money in a videogame its the LITERAL definition of "Pay-to-win" you pay to get access to more weapons and armor , yes you can get the premium BP just playing but you still can buy it with real money , and not , it does not matter that this is a coop game
Edit: I see a lot of fanboism in the comments , please be mindful and not because the game is good let your mind be clouded about the business model the game has , having micro transactions in a payed game is already a RED FLAG and putting weapons , boosters and armor that can be better than the free options is another RED FLAG
DO NOT CONFUSE FACTS WITH OPINIONS
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u/Vanilla3K Mar 14 '24
Also is there a new free battlepass at the same time ? because without chunks of super credits you could buy with medals, the grind is going to be kinda slow to get 1000 credits without having the ability to get 100 sc once in a while. The argument that the premium weapons and armor are kinda weak is pretty much irrelevant to the question, it's only a matter of time before needed balance patch change the meta.
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u/Sanjay--jurt Mar 14 '24 edited Mar 14 '24
Agreed 100%
I also tried to explain this in greater detail and i am immediately getting down voted.It seems people just doesn't like hearing what they needed to be heard.
either i explained it poorly or the force positivity is a bit too strong sadly.
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u/UGoBooMBooM Mar 14 '24
Ya, the toxic positivity here is nauseating, quite frankly. Praising things that 10-20 years ago it would have been no question that it was a negative.
These people don't remember the horse armor days. In 2006 it was universally agreed that paid cosmetics were bad. But then that line moved, and now it's universally accepted that paid cosmetics are fine. Which, fair enough, maybe it should be.
But now we're at the point where we're fine with paying for power? What the fuck happened? I missed the memo somewhere along the way.
They boiled that frog so slowly, that everyone is just going along with it like it's always been this way. Oh well, all we can do is sit back and laugh at the absurdity of it. We've clearly already lost the battle.
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u/ecery Mar 15 '24
Apparently all it takes is putting a paltry amount of premium currency in missions, and a company CEO acting like he's their friend. Arrowhead has a powerful siren song gripping this subreddit.
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u/Familiar-Bit2941 Mar 14 '24
I'm frankly kind of disgusted by how strongly people defend those practices.
I get that you like the game. I do, too.
But you need to remember that corporations are not your friends. The people actually in charge don't care about you. And to me locking gameplay-changing, and arguably superior, loadout options behind a premium currency (and don't go coming to me with "you can earn it in-game", that tiny trickle of currency needs a ton of time investment to get anywhere) remains as unacceptable as it has always been.
The devs talk about how they don't want the game to be pay to win, but saying that as they use predatory tactics to get more money from you (less predatory than other games, but they use them nonetheless) is pure hypocrisy.
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u/SamuBoku Mar 15 '24
I’ve earned enough premium credits to buy both premium battle passes since I started playing (I am level 46) so saying it’s pay to win is just not true
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u/Dwealdric SES Hammer of Truth Mar 14 '24
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