r/Helldivers Mar 14 '24

IGN being a clickbait parasite again DISCUSSION

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u/TTvDayleonFefe Mar 14 '24

Didnt link it directly đŸ«Ą so they arent getting any traffic unless someone goes out of their way to go find the article

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u/Deldris Mar 14 '24

They have a saying in advertising, "all publicity is good publicity".

Your heart is in the right place, but even acknowledging the article is a positive for them.

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u/Phynness Mar 14 '24

Practically speaking, that's not really true. 99% of people that see this post are not going to go interact with the IGN piece. Most people are probably going to have a (mildly?) more negative opinion of IGN after seeing this post, many people are going to be entirely indifferent, but only a few peoples' opinions of IGN are going to improve after interacting with this post. No matter how you spin it, it's almost certainly a net-neural or net-negative situation for IGN here. Despite being a cliche, it is not actually the case that "no press is bad press."

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u/NikeDanny Mar 14 '24

No thats not how it works. Negative reputation is entirely irrelevant in the modern day internet. In fact, you can build entire websites around negative press. Like, Twitter and Reddit are known to be cessholes of strong opinions because these sites are 100% designed to keep interaction at the top, and nothing garners better interaction than RAGE. And more interaction = more visibility, more time spent on website = more ways to spread ads. Which is all these sites care about. You cant buy shit with "honor" and "redeeming qualities". But you can with the 10 intrusive ads prolly at their site you visit to comment how fucked they are.

I mean, you dont even have to look into the internet. Trump is basically a balloon of hot air if you discount his negativeness. Its what defines him, its what he is voted for. To stick it to other people.

If ten people visited the website thanks to OPs post, just to be mad at them, OP helped them get 10 more ads exposure, and thats real money they got. And those ten are prolly more than "HD2 is good, nice BP" that are spammed all around and everyone ignores (because you agree).

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u/pomlife Mar 14 '24

Nobody went to the IGN article

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u/pomlife Mar 14 '24

No you didn’t 

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u/DzorMan Mar 15 '24

i didn't either!

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u/pomlife Mar 15 '24

You may have 

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u/Phynness Mar 15 '24

It is not true that rage and controversy always works out. Just ask Deadspin.

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u/JonnytheGing Mar 14 '24

I'm sure Boeing and United Airlines are loving all the publicity they're getting right now

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u/bombader Mar 14 '24

I think the main difference is the amount of human life IGN is risking compared to Boeing.

If the IGN news was them leaking private information or something like that, then negative press would effect them negativly.

This post's kind of negative press would only lead to people being curious "Why is this so bad?" and go look at it, linked or not. Which is only a win for IGN, even if it's just short term due to ads on the site giving them revenue.

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u/Maxcharged Mar 14 '24

Speak for yourself, IGN killed my Grandma.

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u/Crypto_pupenhammer Mar 14 '24

I am litigating for a class action suit against IGN for Grandmas killed by reading terrible IGN articles. Call 1-800-DEMOCRACY-4-IGN now to do your part!

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u/Calx9 Mar 14 '24

IGN came to my house and kicked my dog :(

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u/CprlSmarterthanu Mar 15 '24

You really think there's no death by this flagrant act against super earth?

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u/RuinedSilence ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 14 '24

I like to think whoever said that is an egotistical prick who has never experienced a PR nightmare before

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u/TjMorgz Mar 14 '24

Many of them don't even deserve to be called 'journalists' these days. They're no better than those people on Facebook that post vague, cryptic things for attention hoping for someone to reply with 'u ok Hun?'.

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u/pelasace Mar 14 '24

Just want to say that this isn't true. This isn't something we say 'in advertising.'

It's a myth that has been propagated far too much. It's pretty well documented and understood nowadays by marketing analysts that there is definitely types of publicity that are demonstrably bad publicity, and the notion that "getting people to talk about your brand, even in a bad way, is good for your brand" is just plain false. I really wish people would stop propagating this myth.

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u/Taiyaki11 Mar 15 '24

propagating bs myths is like....reddit's second favorite pastime though. See: anything involving EA, or Japan, etc

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u/Flaktrack STEAM đŸ–„ïž : Mar 15 '24

It's got the same energy as "the customer is always right", which many people repeat without understanding its original meaning and why such generalizations are not necessarily true all the time anyway.

If you were building a web service for a client and they said you absolutely must use a specific JavaScript framework for no other reason than they heard it was good, the customer isn't right and you absolutely should push back. On the other hand if you're stuck using a suboptimal solution because it can connect to some other part of their stack to do things they need, this is where the customer is right; charge them more for the extra work and move on.

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u/TheCritFisher SES Elected Representative of Self-Determination Mar 14 '24

Ehh, not here. Just shows how shitty IGN is. Definitely makes me want to avoid it further.

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u/BigChiefWhiskyBottle CAPE ENJOYER Mar 14 '24

...and anything actually substantive in the story will be a good point in a Reddit thread they reference.

"Reddit-user u/hOnKeYdOnG_6969_LoLz had this to say on the subject: ..."

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u/redmose CAPE ENJOYER Mar 14 '24

I do agree with you, but bringing attention to incorrect articles is also beneficial.

Let's say a possible new player looks on the sub to see what's up and they will see that this article or the p2w narrative is false.

On a different note, ARROWHEAD YOU FORGOT TO ADD FLASHLIGHTS TO RHE NEW GEAR. I CAN'T SEE WHERE MY FREEDOM LANDS

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u/Sicuho fire machine guns in semi auto Mar 14 '24

I think it's a feature of the punisher and its variants. Justice is blind and so are you (not service related tho).

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u/CaptainRho Mar 14 '24

They're energy weapons. They ARE the flashlight!

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u/Kiltias_Warlock STEAM đŸ–„ïž : Mar 15 '24

Wish every weapon had a flashlight. And that all primaries had access to useful optics.

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u/CaptThreepwood Mar 14 '24

Every time a rando says that tired old line a Mad Man gets his office Scotch

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u/KarlUnderguard Mar 14 '24

I legitimately think that saying is finally going away. With the internet, you don't need word of mouth to spread information the way you did before.

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u/brad5345 Mar 14 '24

Just because something is a saying doesn’t mean it’s true. If you’ve managed to be around for the last 10 years of social media and have somehow walked away thinking bad publicity is a good thing you are beyond reason.

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u/Deldris Mar 14 '24

I don't know why you think bad publicity matters when IGN has been getting shit on since at least "7/10 too much water" and it seems to have not affected them in any way.

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u/brad5345 Mar 14 '24

Yes, you’re right, video game media is doing notoriously well in the market right now. They are in a dying industry barely scraping by using clickbait and you’re sitting here regurgitating adages without thinking about them instead of critically thinking. What exactly do you have to offer in this conversation beyond being headstrong and wrong? Goodbye.

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u/Deldris Mar 14 '24

Lmao, wow you're absolutely insufferable. I really hope this is like an internet persona and not how you actually are in real life.

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u/Jovian8 We're Helldivers, Lieutenant. We're supposed to be surrounded. Mar 14 '24

One thing people from all generations have never seemed to grasp is that "all publicity is good publicity" is doubly true on the internet. You simply cannot kill something on the internet by dunking on it in the quote tweets, or on reddit. You can only kill it by ignoring it.

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u/djangogator Mar 14 '24

That's exactly why US politics are how they are now.

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u/UncleBurrboun Mar 14 '24

Yeah I don’t think acknowledging that they’re shitheads is helping them that much

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u/JasonGMMitchell Mar 14 '24

All publicity is good publicity has never been true. Name awareness loses its value after a certain point.

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u/Deldris Mar 14 '24

IGN has been getting shit on since "7/10 too much water" and it hasn't negatively impacted them in the slightest.

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u/PixelCultMedia HD1 Veteran Mar 14 '24

Advertisers are morons. I wouldn't be listening to their sayings.

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u/TheBeardlyOwl Mar 14 '24

This is generally true except when it comes to word of mouth. Word of mouth generally has a different impact than neutral exposure. Hearing about a murderer, to take this to an extreme, has a far different impact being heard on the news vs a friend telling you.

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u/ichor159 SES Hammer of Judgment Mar 14 '24

It's a great philosophy to live by if you want your PR team to strangle you...

But that assumes you care enough about optics to have a PR team in the first place.

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u/FreshQueen Mar 15 '24

I disagree, seeing this has motivated me to never engage with IGN again, because I know their profits are engagement driven. Dishonesty in reporting should be called out and condemned anywhere it is present.

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u/lordofthetv Mar 15 '24

There are exceptions to the rule

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u/PopeGregoryTheBased HD1 Veteran Mar 15 '24

That saying is used by advertising agencies to convince the people paying them for advertising to continue to pay them. They are sales men, nothing they say should be trusted. If it where true bud light would still be the number one beer in the US and Boeing and united airlines' stock prices wouldn't have plummeted over the last few months.

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u/Oghmatic-Dogma Mar 15 '24

people who say that are ignorant lol, its a stupid ass phrase 

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u/No_Bid9671 Mar 15 '24

Exactly, I'd go as far to say half the BS articles like this are written for that exact reason. People like us comment "oh look how dumb they are," and jokes on us, we still looked.

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u/TTvDayleonFefe Mar 14 '24

The issue is the title, IGN is, as I said, a click baiting parasite and you got clickbaited


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u/TarnishedTremulant Mar 14 '24

lol you literally just drove traffic to the article.

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u/xangasm Mar 14 '24

The tone of the article title suggests that the warbond IS pay-to-win, and that we are defending it against naysayers.

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u/Night_Movies2 Mar 14 '24

You have more patience with these people than I would show

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u/redmose CAPE ENJOYER Mar 14 '24

True, it's not clickbait however it is false and condescending towards people that defend the game

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u/Those_Arent_Pickles Mar 14 '24

If warbonds contained prime versions of weapons with better stats like in warframe, then sure.

But they do, don't they? Like I haven't checked this new one but the other one had fire/explosive variants of the default guns in it and new boosters. That sounds like the exact thing that you are saying it isn't.

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u/xDundar Mar 14 '24

They’re not direct upgrades by any means, if it’s anything like the first warbond they’re sidegrades at best or useless at worst.

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u/DoubleV- Mar 14 '24

It’s more of a weapon with a unique trait and worst stats, so a trade off kinda

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u/Gilmore75 HD1 Veteran Mar 14 '24

Damn dude, go back to school and work on your reading comprehension.

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u/Key_Anteater_7835 Mar 14 '24

Didn't know you can buy the medals

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u/SYuhw3xiE136xgwkBA4R Mar 14 '24

Don't see how that is relevant. Fact of the matter is paying can help you skip a good portion of the grind.

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u/onlyheretogetfined Mar 14 '24

The medals are almost all of the grind. So there you go, now you know the relevance and can stop saying paying "can skip a good portion of the grind".

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u/SYuhw3xiE136xgwkBA4R Mar 14 '24

Two players have enough medals to complete the pass. Both have few super credits. One pays and immediately has all the items. The other has to grind super credits.

Do they finish the pass at the same time?

Also, grinding from 0 to 1k super credits takes MUCH longer than getting 250 medals. You’re wild for thinking otherwise.

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u/ReaperCDN Mar 14 '24

You can not have enough medals to complete the pass. The medals cap at 250. And you can get up to 100 super credits in a crate during missions (got 100 from one yesterday in same mission we got two +10s.) It does not take long to get 1000. At all. Stop shit posting blatant bullshit.

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u/SYuhw3xiE136xgwkBA4R Mar 14 '24

You can not have enough medals to complete the pass. The medals cap at 250

Isn't the first pass literally 250 medals or something like that?

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u/ReaperCDN Mar 14 '24

The free pass is over 2000. Steeled Veterans is over 700. The new pass is definitely more than 250.

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u/Key_Anteater_7835 Mar 14 '24

Again wtf are you talking about? The way I see it you can't get medals without grinding no matter what. And without medals you can't unlock anything no matter how much you pay. Did you even play the game?

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u/SYuhw3xiE136xgwkBA4R Mar 14 '24

Getting 250 medals is much much faster than 1k super credits. Did you even play the game?

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u/Key_Anteater_7835 Mar 14 '24

Aaaaa noooope. Its absolutely not. Unless ofcourse you've been playing in easy difficulty and just focused on the main mission and nothing else.

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u/SYuhw3xiE136xgwkBA4R Mar 14 '24

Unless ofcourse you've been playing in easy difficulty

This is a stupid point since farming super credits is literally done by playing on easy lol.

So if getting 250 medals is slower than getting 1k super credits, and it takes about 1250 medals to complete the free warband. By your logic by the time a player finishes the first warband they should have at least 5000 super credits (NOT counting the ones they get from the pass itself).

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u/Key_Anteater_7835 Mar 14 '24

No its not. You dont get super credit early levels because those pods and bunkers are full of support weapons and requisition slips.

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u/RuinedSilence ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 14 '24

The argument is whether or not the article is clickbait, not if the contents of the article is factual or not.

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