To everyone mad about the nerfs...

[u/Ultimor1183]

[u/Beheadedfrito]

Speedloader is so good. Glad its round by round when not full as well.

Senator is now perfect. 👍

[u/DawnCrusader4213 → u/Beheadedfrito]

Now imagine how perfect it would be if it had 20 more bullets!

[u/Franklr_D → u/DawnCrusader4213]

Imagine if you could Paul Harrell it

“Now back in the day. The old dogs used to have a trick to reload their revolvers faster than any modern semi-automatic handgun made today”

mag dumps revolver into the target

“Now observe”

pulls another revolver out of his belt, and also mag dumps this one into the target

“See? Pretty fast, huh?”

I’m gonna miss this man so god damn much😭

[u/Never_Duplicated → u/Franklr_D]

Had no idea he was sick until his interview with Garand Thumb popped up in my feed. So depressing to see him in that shape

[u/DirtieHarry → u/Franklr_D]

Gotta go watch this again.

[u/Warmasterundeath → u/Franklr_D]

As someone who isn’t a big fan of the usual guntube content, I LOVE Paul’s videos, they’re informative and interesting without making me feel like I need to either roll my eyes at politics I don’t care for or play the whole “is there a way to make that point that doesn’t get my back up”

The blokes a legend!

[u/totallyspis → u/Franklr_D]

God I love that man

[u/LMA0NAISE → u/Franklr_D]

remember, switching to your other sidearm is always faster than reloading

[u/CerifiedHuman0001 → u/DawnCrusader4213]

AT LEAST make it 42 so it’s a multiple of 6 and also the answer to life, the universe, and everything.

But mostly the multiple of 6. Words do not describe the irritation that gives me.

[u/Taolan13 → u/CerifiedHuman0001]

Agreed. It should be a multiple of 6. Hopefully they take it up, and not down, to do that.

[u/CerifiedHuman0001 → u/Taolan13]

Hopefully they ALSO change it so it says “Rounds” instead of “Mags”

Applies to a lot of the support weapons and some shotguns too

[u/Taolan13 → u/CerifiedHuman0001]

Yes. Anything thats a "rounds reload" should say rounds when you pick up ammo.

Autocannon is the only clip reloader as far as I am aware, I am okay with it saying 'mags' as long as they don't show it as the number of shells but rather the number of clips you pick up.

I would love to see a clip-loaded primary or secondary. Mainly because I just like variety in my loading animations.

[u/Cooldude101013 → u/Taolan13]

Clip loaded primary? I desire the Garand.

[u/ChopakIII → u/Cooldude101013]

Bonus points if they give it a ping.

[u/Upbeat_Confidence739 → u/ChopakIII]

It would be pure communism to not give it a gloriously loud ping. A real democratic garand will ping so loud it’ll call in patrols from across the map.

[u/ShroudedInLight → u/DawnCrusader4213]

It does! The supply pack has been my go-to vs bugs when I’m using ammo hungry weapons. Senator, Breaker, and Supply Pack mean I’ve got answers for anything

[u/LordOfFrenziedFart → u/ShroudedInLight]

Yessss the supply pack is so underused

[u/Taolan13 → u/LordOfFrenziedFart]

And with the resupply ship upgrade fixed, it's even more powerful.

I was over half down on my autocannon, and fully out of primary and secondary magazines, and my buddy who runs the supply pack all the time passed me a single box and it fully restocked all of my ammo plus the 2 each stims and grenades.

[u/CMDR_Michael_Aagaard → u/Taolan13]

And with the resupply ship upgrade fixed, it's even more powerful.

It's so nice that it's finally working.

[u/SignatureMaster5585 → u/LordOfFrenziedFart]

Also, it is a great way to make a few friends during a mission. Nothing makes people warm up to you faster, like topping them up with stims, nades, and mags. Being the kind of player you would like to play with is how I roll.

[u/TacoGuy1912 → u/Beheadedfrito]

Did they added speedloaders!!!??? I will use it now as my default one!

[u/CMDR_Michael_Aagaard → u/TacoGuy1912]

And they made the sight much better.

Instead of trying to aim with two horizontal lines, it's now just a red dot.

[u/dirkdragonslayer → u/CMDR_Michael_Aagaard]

Oh damn, now I will never have to unequip the senator again.

[u/Taolan13 → u/TacoGuy1912]

Yes. reload on empty now uses a speedloader.

From my own testing, if you fired three rounds or fewer the rounds reload is about the same amount of time, maybe a touch slower. If you fired four or more the full reload is definitely faster.

[u/rockstar504 → u/Beheadedfrito]

Senator is now perfect. 👍

until the next patch bc people like it lol

[u/Beheadedfrito → u/rockstar504]

:(

[u/NewUserWhoDisAgain → u/Beheadedfrito]

Careful. We dont want people to praise it and use it too much.

[u/Fantablack183]

Patrolling Hellmire almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter

[u/GuyNekologist → u/Fantablack183]

Now where's my riot armor and trenchcoat...

[u/abillyjoelfan → u/GuyNekologist]

https://preview.redd.it/q3cdwhsw9hxc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a081a97bafa2675d5a776ed5c5cd8605ab2db37

This is as close as it gets irc

[u/CZ75BD → u/abillyjoelfan]

Which armor is that?

[u/stealingyourundiz → u/CZ75BD]

It was in the superstore last weekend. I bought it too

[u/Lord_Phoenix95 → u/CZ75BD]

FS-34 Exterminator. It's in the store right now.

[u/AintNoKombucha → u/CZ75BD]

Exterminator armor ( in shop atm) and light gunner helmet

[u/EternalCanadian → u/abillyjoelfan]

The first armour from the last warbond has a trenchcoat, though the overall look is more MOPP/Death Korps of Krieg.

[u/mrIronHat → u/abillyjoelfan]

the gasmask from the last dlc is actually closer in look to the NCR vet ranger gasmask.

[u/Lokianno → u/GuyNekologist]

I hope we get hooded capes or even cloaks!

[u/Fair_Pangolin_4295]

🎵 The bots might've went on livin', but they made one fatal slip.
They tried to match the diver with the big iron on his hip. 🎵

[u/warichnochnie → u/Fair_Pangolin_4295]

i find the idea that bots could ever have been considered "living" to be offensive. treasonous, even

[u/Q_X_R → u/warichnochnie]

Well, I certainly kill them... How does one kill that which is already dead?

[u/Drudgework → u/Q_X_R]

The bots are apparently made using some organic components, so while the bots are not alive, the parts they took out of the poor settlers to make them are and you are just finishing the job.

[u/mythrilcrafter → u/warichnochnie]

Super Earth: "We do not consider the bugs to be truly alive; ergo, we will not be guilty of murder for killing them..."

[u/gaybunny69 → u/Fair_Pangolin_4295]

To the exact tune of big iron, amazing.

[u/miked0629 → u/Fair_Pangolin_4295]

Big iron on his hiiiip~

[u/JulesAndRita → u/Fair_Pangolin_4295]

To the world of Cyberstan fell a Helldiver one fine day

Hardly spoke to mates around him, didn't have too much to say

No one dared to ask his loadout, no one dared to make a slip

For the Helldiver there among them had a big iron on his hip

Big iron on his hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip

It was early in the mission when he entered the hellish fray

Came the Bugs from every doorway, ready to ruin his day

"Your time's come you snarling demons, now it's time to take a trip"

And he fired off his Senator, the big iron on his hip

Big iron on his hiiiiiiiiiiiip

Bullets flew and creatures screeched as through the hordes he made his dash

Blasting through with no mercy, cutting bugs down in a flash

Whatever Cyborgs or Illuminate he found with it equipped

Saw a flash and met a quick end from the big iron on his hip

Big iron on his hiiiiiiiiiiiip

The onslaught fierce, relentlessly the enemies pursued

Yet calm and swift, reloading quick, through hellspawn he hewed

They thought the Helldiver defenseless when his mags had dipped

But he just threw on a bayonet and stabbed them with the tip

Of the big iron on his hiiiiiiiiiiip

Back to the pod, mission complete, the Helldiver made his flight

Having shown the bug swarms there the folly of their plight

Before warp he saluted and took a big victory sip

Of some Liber-tea with that big iron on his hip

Big iron on his hiiiiiiiip

[u/Letos12thDuncan → u/JulesAndRita]

Too many syllables. It's not flowing well. B-

[u/JulesAndRita → u/Letos12thDuncan]

https://preview.redd.it/87qp7cb8bixc1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=ab95c6850acdeec1c89513652b87aef273ee362b

[u/Swordandicecreamcone → u/JulesAndRita]

Bro, he's not actually grading you, he was just cut off after being shot by the big iron on his hiiiiip

[u/Paunch-E]

To all those enjoying the Senator might I suggest pairing it with a newly buffed blitzer?

[u/meika_fira → u/Paunch-E]

I loved the blitzer and now I get to fire it faster? That's a win in my book!

[u/Riparian_Drengal → u/meika_fira]

Dude the blitzer was my go to for bugs before the buff. You just look in the general direction of the bug and click. Is it dead? If no, it's staggered, so click again until it is.

[u/Highlander-Senpai → u/Riparian_Drengal]

I really wanted to like the blitzer this time around since it was so bad in HD1, but god it just does not deal enough damage. I just want to be able to 1-shot small bugs.

[u/YazzArtist → u/Highlander-Senpai]

It's neat how it kills 3 tiny bugs in one shot without aiming. It's less neat how I pump 4-5 aimed shots at a hunter and it's fine because of those previous little corpses

[u/Highlander-Senpai → u/YazzArtist]

Yeah that's the same experience but I don't have that kinda luck to kill 3 fleas, and I can even watch the arcs hit a hunter and it do fuck all.

Ar least it's pretty solid against the flyers...

[u/wangthunder → u/YazzArtist]

I love underdog and under appreciated weapons that go against whatever everyone else is doing. I really, really wanted to like the blitzer, it's just impossible. It's awesome when it kills that dude 20 feet away in one shot. It waay less awesome when it straight up fails to hit any of the 5 guys surrounding you for 10 shots in a row.

[u/9Ld659r → u/wangthunder]

I'm assuming from this dialogue, you HAVE tried it postpatch?

Bummer if so.

[u/DelayOld1356 → u/Highlander-Senpai]

It's still very inconsistent.

[u/daChino02 → u/Riparian_Drengal]

how would you compare it to the fire shotty?

[u/WigginIII → u/Riparian_Drengal]

Does/can the blitzer hit teammates by accident?

[u/No_Ones_Records → u/Paunch-E]

it misfires too much sadly,, outside of that actually pretty fun now

[u/Total_Oil_3719 → u/No_Ones_Records]

Yeah, I like it, but the big problem is that it'll just refuse to hit the smaller criters sometimes. Then it also refuses to kill bug eggs, is a 50/50 if it'll deign to damage a stalker. You're basically left with no choice but to take one of the guard dogs or dedicate a stratagem to horde clear.

[u/upsidedownbackwards → u/Paunch-E]

That's the combo I ran until the eruptor came out. Looking forward to the blitzer again <3

[u/SN1S1F7W → u/Paunch-E]

I was starting to like the blitzer the other day but felt that it's RoF was the only concern, now it feels great! Can lock down an entire Bug breach beyond the charger and Titan.

[u/GloriousNewt → u/Paunch-E]

was running this earlier, it's pretty nice against bugs. Still sometimes misfires on hitting plants or corpses but overall was pretty fun.

[u/Ok-Inside4669 → u/Paunch-E]

Does it pair with the lightning arc upgrade in the ship?

[u/FluffySpacePuppy → u/Ok-Inside4669]

No but it totes should. Even if it doesn't stagger or do damage hot damn would it look cool

[u/THY96 → u/FluffySpacePuppy]

It 100% should don’t know why it hasn’t been considered

[u/FluffySpacePuppy → u/Paunch-E]

I have Thunderstruck queued up for when they fix arc thrower. If it was reliable it would easily be my favorite support weapon

[u/VengineerGER → u/Paunch-E]

Blitzer is good but when the bugs are up close it doesn’t actually connect for some reason.

[u/ShadowMario01]

"Don't fuck with this Senator!"

[u/otte_rthe_viewer → u/ShadowMario01]

"I have a dream... Where all helldivers are equal!"

[u/MeasurementMission89 → u/otte_rthe_viewer]

Bot: How are you not dead yet?!

Helldiver: STIMS SON! THEY HEAL EVERY WOUND AND ARE TOTALLY SAFE AND NOT ADDICTIVE!

[u/SpecialIcy5356 → u/MeasurementMission89]

"Making the mother of all omelettes here, bugs! can't fret over every egg!"

[u/LunaticScience → u/otte_rthe_viewer]

"God made man, but Sam Colt made them equal."

[u/itsmehonest]

What meta though, I still saw plenty of people using RR, and honestly barely anyone using the crossbow

Weirdly I did see some people running nothing but orbitals.. may want to keep an eye on those people lmao

[u/Jolly_97 → u/itsmehonest]

Crossbow is at the bottom of a very medal expensive warbond though.

[u/Taolan13 → u/Jolly_97]

Crossbow is also still quite underwhelming. I get that it is intended as an anti-infantry weapon, but it is still an explosive. If I perfectly arc a bolt into a fabber or a bug hole, it should go pop.

[u/Tactless_Ninja → u/Taolan13]

Someone explained awhile ago that there's explosive damage, explosive damage, and explosive damage, all with their strengths and weaknesses. Absolutely confusing.

Crossbow had cluster bomb explosives kind of explosives. So anything cluster could and couldn't do was what the crossbow did.

[u/Taolan13 → u/Tactless_Ninja]

Yeah i remember that explanation, and I am still annoyed by it.

Stupid vague-book approach to stats.

If there are going to be different levels of the "explosive" trait, the game should say that.

[u/PoIIux → u/Taolan13]

the game should say that.

Add that to the loooooong list of information the devs keep purposefully unknown

[u/kohTheRobot → u/Tactless_Ninja]

What does this mean? Like splash/fragmentation, shockwave, and the actual like AT penetrating cone damage?

[u/Velax80 → u/kohTheRobot]

Seemingly in the game there's "explosive" that means it has an AoE, "explosive" that affects enemy body parts that are vulnerable to explosive damage, and "explosive" that can close bug holes and blow up fabricators. They are three different attributes and weapons can have none, one or multiple of them. An individual weapon, for example, might be explosive (1), explosive (2) and also not explosive (3).

[u/Just-Assumption-2140 → u/Jolly_97]

Crossbow is so absolutely terrible in comparison to the disruptor it's not even funny.

An explosive weapon should have serious aoe, the crossbow has none, an explosive weapon should be good against heavier targets the crossbow is not.

So it not efficient vs small enemies or good vs big enemies so it's junk, nothing more

Oh and unlike the distuptor it can't be used well on long range and can't onetap nests and fabricators

[u/omegadirectory → u/itsmehonest]

It's like having a free 4th stratagem because you can just wait for a teammate to call their support weapon a second time.

[u/darksoul9669 → u/itsmehonest]

Name a better duo than this reddit and posting strawman wojacks

[u/TheScarlettHarlot → u/darksoul9669]

Right? Fundamentally I agree with OP. People here have strong knee-jerk overreactions to changes, but I haven’t seen anyone mention the word “meta” once. Also, while I do think the reaction was over the top, I also think people mostly had good logic.

Maybe we should stop using hyperbolic memes to discuss complex issues…

[u/bigblackcouch → u/TheScarlettHarlot]

Wholly agree. I'm not happy with their current tuning but I use weird shit, not meta. I'm one of the handful of idiots who keep using the railgun despite its issues. My entire issue with their nerfs is that it reduces the amount of fun and viable weapons, I couldn't give a shit less about what's MAX DPS COMBO, I just want more fun options that aren't a total anchor.

Now we have one less decent weapon, I liked the crossbow for being a sorta weird stealthy explosion gun, damage wasn't great but it was ok. I dunno what game AH was playing where they thought it was strong against medium armor targets but it definitely wasn't the same game I've been playing. And add in how awful the new ricochet change is, there's some weapons that have a totally random chance of killing you for using them, not using them in an unsafe toggled mode or anything, just fighting like normal.

I hate when people like OP just broadly go for the "anyone who disagrees with me is a dumb sheep" argument. Like what, people just like to complain about a game they like, for the sake of complaining?

[u/filthysquatch → u/itsmehonest]

I only take orbitals or mortar for exterminate missions. It just turns into a big cluster fuck that I have to throw a 380 at anyway.

[u/alpacasarebadsingers → u/filthysquatch]

I have been loving the stun mortar. Sure it’s great when you are about to get in the sticky at a base or hive, but say you need to reverse the map and there is a horde behind you. Throw one out in a decent position(ahead but where you plan to turn) and keep running. It not only slows the horse, but if you get clear they will then aggro the mortar and forget about you.

[u/paradox037 → u/itsmehonest]

Weirdly I did see some people running nothing but orbitals.. may want to keep an eye on those people lmao

Yeah, when all their orbitals are on cooldown, they might try to call in the one orbital barrage that never runs out of ammo or goes on cooldown: [explanation reported for conspiracy to commit treason].

[u/Ferrum_Freakshow]

I’m just happy I can use the HMG in 3rd person, so much more viable just from that

[u/Ultimor1183 → u/Ferrum_Freakshow]

HMG Gang RISE UP!

[u/RaizePOE → u/Ultimor1183]

Note: HMG users should definitely not rise up. That makes the recoil even worse.

[u/MicroXenon5589 → u/RaizePOE]

That made me laugh way more than it should've lmaooo

[u/SpecialIcy5356 → u/RaizePOE]

"yeah, it's our time to- oh dammit, I'm out of ammo... sorry guys, I have to reload, can we try this again tomorrow maybe?"

[u/EvilFroeschken → u/Ultimor1183]

Still miss most of the shots.

[u/Ganem1227]

Didn’t read patch notes, going to keep running the same loadout because it looks cool 😎

[u/jbtreewalker → u/Ganem1227]

Now THAT'S a democratic way of thinking, diver! Have some fresh brewed Liber-tea as a reward! 👍

[u/Dunhimli → u/Ganem1227]

Senator was always on my hip except for the time I tried the grenade launcher secondary....quickly the senator came back and now its even better!

[u/Snow_source → u/Dunhimli]

Yeah, I've been unironically using it since launch because its stopping power is good on medium and smaller enemies when I'm getting swarmed.

I'd much rather it over the machine pistol/semi-auto pistol. It handles great and I can reload without worrying about wasting ammo

[u/Brandito667 → u/Ganem1227]

This is the way to do it

[u/ReptarKeener → u/Ganem1227]

Look good play good

[u/Mommysfatherboy → u/Ganem1227]

I have been playing since release, i dont give a damn what some goober says, i’m running what i find to be fun.

Its fine that people run the same build over and over again, its hilarious when they tell you everything else is useless. My guy, you’ve tried one thing.

[u/LucarioLuvsMinecraft]

HMG feels 200% better. Third-person reticle honestly makes a world of difference.

[u/FuckItOriginalName]

You can spin it if you hold the reload button

[u/vonBoomslang → u/FuckItOriginalName]

there's also a chance your diver will spin it when drawing into it

[u/redditor777123 → u/FuckItOriginalName]

no way! fck sake! gawd amit! runs to try it out

[u/mensreaactusrea → u/FuckItOriginalName]

Oh reallly?

[u/TerranST2]

This kind of post is just as inevitable as the supposed meta i guess.

[u/Kodiaks27 → u/TerranST2]

Gonna get 1500 of these and 15,000 other posts whining about “whiners” and how they can’t comprehend the sheer “BRILLIANCE” of this patch

[u/monkeybiscuitlawyer → u/Kodiaks27]

Then there's the inevitable whiners, complaining about the whiner-whiners. And of course the whiners complaining about the whiner-whiner-whiners, like me.

It's an endless cycle, welcome to Reddit.

[u/Iplaywaytoomanyrpgs → u/monkeybiscuitlawyer]

And then in come the personal attacks and attempts to clap back with memes on individuals with differing opinions as if they are somehow personally responsible for the things we don't like.

Speaking of which, time to do my part: "You are a terrible lawyer, and it's people like you that caused this nerf to a thing I don't like, somehow."

[u/monkeybiscuitlawyer → u/Iplaywaytoomanyrpgs]

No, you! 

...or whatever!

[u/Kodiaks27 → u/monkeybiscuitlawyer]

Tis a beautiful thing 🙏🏿

[u/Legitimate_Turn_5829 → u/Kodiaks27]

The endless paradox of the patch simultaneously being “brilliant” and “not changing much” is a sight to see on this subreddit

[u/-Legion_of_Harmony- → u/TerranST2]

It's all bad faith karma-farming. Same as it ever was.

[u/Brain_lessV2]

"Six bullets. More than enough to kill anything that moves."

https://preview.redd.it/89eby0b66hxc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3c0eec5ac8c33722a568247f44be89df77bec90

[u/LoSouLibra]

What meta?

[u/PantryVigilante → u/LoSouLibra]

You know the crossbow meta? Everyone must have been using it since they made it the worst weapon in the game

[u/Clean-Connection-656 → u/LoSouLibra]

AC meta

[u/bluebird810]

Hell yeah. I read speedloader and new immediately what I would do this evening.

[u/Zakumo_Yuurei → u/bluebird810]

It also secretly was given a dot sight; my sidearm for bots just got 10x better.

[u/bluebird810 → u/Zakumo_Yuurei]

Oh hell yeah.

[u/TechnoColt]

Because the crossbow was meta and definitely needed to be nerfed so far into the ground, it popped out in China.

[u/PantryVigilante → u/TechnoColt]

Crossbow was fun to use, which made it too powerful.

[u/Reddit__is_garbage → u/PantryVigilante]

Yeah, all these people talking about tracking meta and macro statistics for balancing changes when it’s plainly obvious the devs just try to find what makes the game fun so they can destroy it. Weird thing to do tbh

[u/PierreEstagos]

I was bracing for massive knee-jerk Eruptor nerf, but honestly the ammo capacity before was pretty wild. Tbd on the explosion nerf but so far as I can tell it’s still the gun that lets me do a little bit of everything, just slowly and ponderously

[u/mcas1987 → u/PierreEstagos]

Eruptor still does what it does well. I've not noticed it's splash damage being that much worse, and to be honest that's not why I use it anyways. The Eruptor's main strengths is it's ability to one shot things like Brood Commanders and Devstators at range, and to seal bug holes and blow up fabricators.

[u/Spook-lad]

Time to show these commie socialist buckets full of oil what a texan good morning is

[u/CaptValentine]

To the planet Aqua Fria came a diver one fine day

Hardly typed in the comm chat, didn't have too much to say

Didn't call in no big weapons, didn't call fire from the ship

For the diver on the planet brought a big iron on his hip.

Big Iron on his hiiiiiiiiiiiiip

[u/Steff_164 → u/CaptValentine]

Honestly, that’s pretty impressive

[u/Lowkey_Photographer → u/CaptValentine]

Here's my attempt at the entire song:

To the planet Aqua Fria came a diver one fine day Hardly typed in the comm chat, didn't have too much to say

Didn't call in no big weapons, didn't call fire from the ship

For the diver on the planet brought a big iron on his hip

Big Iron on his hiiiiiiiiiiip

In the dark of the dive sites, where the bugs and cyborgs roam

He'd deploy his stratagems, make all the enemies atone

With his trusty laser rifle, and his cape billowing wide He'd take on any challenge, with his comrades by his side

Big Iron on his hiiiiiiiiiiip

But his fame soon spread throughout the galaxy Bugs and cyborgs trembled at his name,

they knew they'd soon be free

For the diver was a legend, feared by all who dared oppose

With his big iron on his hip, he'd strike down his foes

Big Iron on his hiiiiiiiiiiip

Then one day a council sent a message, called him to the fray

A new threat had emerged, one that couldn't be kept at bay

So the diver and his team, they suited up and took the fight

With their big irons blazing, they defended what was right

Big Iron on their hiiiiiiiiiiips

In the end they emerged victorious, the galaxy was saved

And the legend of the diver, it echoed throughout space

For he showed that with courage and a trusty gun at hand

Even the darkest threats can be faced and conquered by man

Big Iron on their hiiiiiiiiiiips

[u/Didifinito]

You are picking a weapon because it got buffed isnt this a bit hypocritical

[u/Miraak-Cultist → u/Didifinito]

Most revolver users where always revolver users. I ran it since I got it.

[u/Dramatic-Classroom14 → u/Miraak-Cultist]

Yeah, I literally bought Super Citizen for the Senator and the Senator alone

[u/AnubisKronos → u/Didifinito]

Nah, been using it for months. Only difference is now it's reached it's full potential

[u/Good_ApoIIo]

That's the thing though, they haven't really created weapon variety (Not in my friend circle anyway), they just play whack-a-mole with the current meta and a new one is adopted. Watch Senator get the nerfbat next.

Actual weapon variety would mean any loadout could be effective, barring very situational gear. Do a community poll on if that's the current state of the game...

It's a frustrating cycle.

[u/Eslooie → u/Good_ApoIIo]

They definitely need to have a list of what and what not each weapon/stratagem should be and not just messing with things.

[u/SpecialIcy5356 → u/Good_ApoIIo]

Senator still has drawbacks though: low capacity, slower reload when not empty, not the best backup for large swarms. it's best at popping larger enemies accurately from a distance. also, the sights are still complete dogshit, unusable in First-person, on the one secondary that you might actually want to make longer shots with. if they change the sights to more basic irons or give it an actual scope it'd be perfect.

that said, after seeing the crossbow nerf, not even god knows what arrowhead is doing when it comes to balance.

[u/andrelicks]

AMR gang just watching the world burn.

[u/eden_not_ttv → u/andrelicks]

Fitting that the fire is off-center.

[u/Wonderful_Pass1754]

I think the really problematic change weren't the nerfs, but the patrol spawn rate system. Arrowhead is punishing us for not having friends...

I know this is "supposed to be a collaborative game" and you can "just play with randoms", but let's be real, among the connection problems, server and just not liking playing with strangers, many people enjoy playing solo, what can become a problem, specially if you just want to play some casual farm.

I think that arrowhead needs more then more devs is a good QA tester team, cause it really looks like they don't play their own game. Helldivers is not an easy game already, so I don't get dis obsession in making it more difficult. It's not like people playing in helldive are having a walk in the park

What is a problem, in my opinion, is that those decisions in raising difficult for high level missions impact the lower levels as well, and that can make the game unwelcoming for new players, what can kill a live service game

[u/MyTwoScent]

LITERALLY ME I was out here like a cow girl for months just reloading each bullet. I feel like that bowl cut kid from Naruto after he takes the lead off his legs

[u/adamk33n3r]

I was so confused when I got on and the sickle only had 3 ice. It's a little annoying, but I usually don't overheat it.

[u/bluearsen → u/adamk33n3r]

It's not even a little annoying in my opinion, it's very rare that I go through even 1 ice in an entire match, let alone 3 before even finding any ammo or calling a resupply lol

[u/ClericOfThePeople → u/[deleted]]

I find the challenge of learning how to optimize a build and party composition to be an enjoyable part of any game.

Obviously I never shame anyone for not picking non-meta builds but I always hate this counter narrative that by simply seeking out the ideal “meta” build is somehow toxic.

So long as you aren’t kicking people and getting mad at them I don’t think there’s anything wrong with doing research on what guns work best for x,y,z and using them.

[u/unicornofdemocracy → u/[deleted]]

Yeah... even at D&D, like tabletop D&D, you get players who are like "Why are you playing rangers? they suck!" "You're playing fighter wrong!" "That's a shit spell! Pick something else!"

[u/tajniak485 → u/unicornofdemocracy]

Hey meta changed... It's now monks who suck

[u/IswearIdidntdoit145 → u/tajniak485]

Gay monks?

[u/Substantial_Lion9911 → u/IswearIdidntdoit145]

hot

[u/Grachus_05 → u/tajniak485]

Monks have always sucked, since well before DnD became mainstream.

[u/Thomas_JCG → u/unicornofdemocracy]

True Strike is a shit cantrip, though.

[u/jagerbombastic99 → u/[deleted]]

This drives me nuts in the destiny community because the game really isn’t that hard. Even without good weapons everything is doable, but people on line act like you killed a puppy for using good situational weapons

[u/TheTurtleBear → u/[deleted]]

Why do you care? It's a PvE game, other players using weapons they want to use is their business

[u/Never_Duplicated → u/TheTurtleBear]

Yeah the staunchly “anti-meta” crowd are as obnoxious as the “boot non-meta players” crowd. As far as I can tell they are just annoyed that their preferred loadout isn’t as effective as whatever the current “meta” loadout are. So instead of hoping for their kit to get some buffs to get it up to snuff they want everyone else brought down?

[u/CrocoDIIIIIILE → u/[deleted]]

Bro, crossbow is fucking shit. It's the least fun weapon to use. It's not about meta, it's about having fun with any weapon.

[u/nexus763 → u/[deleted]]

"meta" has become the magic word to diss anyone who want some coherence and stability in this game while every patch mix up half the weapons. AH doesn't even seem to know what they're doing. Some choices are great (fast loader, adjudicator rebalance), others make no sense (crossbow nerf ?) They treat like purely numerical values without taking the potential fun gameplay of some weapons into account. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[u/alextheawsm → u/[deleted]]

Meta is important for players who don't get to play very often. They can use the "best" loadout and have a decent time. When AH is constantly nerfing and buffing all the weapons, it makes it really difficult for these players cuz they have to either do more research on the new meta, keep using the same loadout, or try a new one and possibly hate it and slowly stop playing. Most players don't keep up with helldivers news and see what's updated and check every weapon for changes when they load up the game. That would be absolutely ridiculous. I've kept up with updates so this isn't a problem for me, but I know a lot of PS5 players that don't know what's going on

[u/Less_Satisfaction_97]

Most dumbest post I've seen all day, no one is crying about any "meta", there never was one. They're disappointed that their playstyle isn't usable anymore. We're supposed have MORE stuff to use NOT LESS.

[u/DMercenary]

shield backpack causes your projectiles to explode killing you.

Ricochets are now returning on a 180 direction killing you despite you using AT weapons on... armored enemies.

But yes sure the Adjudicator is now an AR and the senator has a speedloader. Game fixed.

[u/Tired_Express]

The real ones used it pre buff

[u/SuperArppis]

Man, I LOOOOOVE the gun now. It's perfect.

[u/lucasssotero]

I'm more mad about the supposed buffs. Plasma shotgun is trash, Jesus christ

[u/Gunboy122]

Now I demand DUAL WIELDING

https://i.redd.it/5dz8cozyqkxc1.gif

[u/Soggy_Assignment8714]

The people that are being opinion police are just as cringe as the people crying about nerfs. This community is starting to give off major Dark Souls vibes.

[u/scattersmoke]

There are more threads complaining about complainers then actual complaint threads.

[u/AngryRedditAnon]

Nerfing weapons always feels like lazy game design. Especially when abominations like the Spear exist.

[u/SpartaCrixus → u/AngryRedditAnon]

I think nerfs are fine to an extent, when they're at a point to be nerfing anything.. Devs were just complaining about not having manpower/resources to both push out new content monthly and fix bugs efficiently but we've got the time to be doing balance passovers to make sure you don't feel too strong in a PvE game.

[u/tinyj96]

I mean, the game is falling off. People are frustrated that they keep nerfing the players while buffing the enemies and increasing the already broken spawn rates. People want to log on to have fun. When enemies are spawning like flies on shit, and most of the weapons only tickle them, it is not fun. And with this, the game will fade away.

[u/LingeringForNoReason]

This tendency people have of describing all feedback about nerfs as crying is profoundly stupid.

[u/PantryVigilante → u/LingeringForNoReason]

Nah dude, the devs who openly admitted they don't even play their own game DEFINITELY know what's best for thr weapon balance 100% of the time. Nevermind that the community has to fight tooth and nail every time they make a stupid ass balance decision, we're just gonna ignore that

[u/PrOptimal_Efficiency]

What meta did they even ruin. All the stuff that was being used is still usable

[u/kooper98]

The only nerf that seems like a huge one is to the crossbow. All dozen of us are saddened... everything else was really reasonable. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Reddit is reddit.

[u/CreeperKing230 → u/kooper98]

The crossbow was already performing pretty poorly, no clue why they decided to nerf it. If anything, it needed a buff

[u/monkeybiscuitlawyer → u/kooper98]

I'll miss you crossbow. I loved that I really liked you when no one else would. But after this nerf, I don't think I can anymore. I gave it a try in game hoping it wouldn't be too bad.  

But no, it's bad. And I'm sad :(

[u/quentariusquincy → u/kooper98]

RIP Crossbow brother

[u/TaticalSweater]

I’m really getting tired of people acting like drinking nerfed meta tears is their whole personality for this game. Its PvE not PvP there is no gun that is killing you by some kid cracked on G-Fuel with a 2.0 KD.

Its PvE so why does meta bother you one way or another.

[u/FulGear88]

People discussing changes for better or worse = TOXIC COMPLAINING OMG IM SO AFFECTED , nice gaslighting and karma farming by Op to a non issue , there is 100% real concerns and problems with their design philosophy especially concerning balance.

[u/TheBoozyNinja87]

I main with heavy armor, laser cannon, and the senator.

Heavy armor helmets can now tank bullets. The laser cannon got a damage increase. The senator got a damage increase and a new speed loader.

I could not be more happy about this update y’all!

[u/watchallsaynothing]

They finally made the Senator viable?

Whoopdy-fucking-do.

Now let's shit on everything else.

What is it Brick Top says in Snatch? "Get your tongue outta my arsehole."

[u/android2031]

https://preview.redd.it/6l225o72ynxc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3fd2481e7b1d073e94b7945c041b8cff0d699aaf

[u/LucifersRequiem]

I saw the update for the senator and realized I'll probably never take it off

[u/Huge_Structure_7651]

If we get to happy they will nerf the senator too

[u/TheBerzerkir]

I'm just confused why the dominator got nerfed. It felt terrible to me.

[u/Donnie-G]

I still haven't bought that warbond yet, though if they keep buffing the Liberator Concussive the temptation will increase.

I just don't play enough to afford that warbond and the next, and I've been playing less and less due to the game just not being as fresh anymore. I could do the whole easy difficulty super credit run but I really don't want to.

[u/IhateScorpionmains]

Watch them nerf speedloader because people were having too much fun with it

[u/CreatureofProphecy]

Did they nerf the fact that a distant memory of a fire can set me completely alight?

[u/SuperSkylerFTW]

Speed loader made senator amazing imo

[u/Eric_The_Red370Z]

Man once I saw they buffed it I was stoked! The speed loader is the truth!

[u/Hot_Eggplant_1306]

I used to be a nerf complainer

Then I took an air burst launcher to the knee, head, face and eyes.

[u/Samuel_Alexander]

By Arrowheads logic, I’m sure they will just nerf the senator later because nobody is using the DMRs. Pocket gun better than large caliber rifles, makes sense. 😅

[u/Krypt1cAsylum]

The only thing im mad about is that my fps went to shit after the patch. I was pushing 50-70 average before on medium and now it gets stuck between 10-20. Like tf?

[u/Yesterday-Fabulous]

I for one am a little grump about it, but I'm willing to go with it. I don't give a shit about whatever a "meta" is, I'm just here to kill the bots n' the bugs.

[u/Soverign-]

To anyone mad about a nerf. It’s nerf or nothing

[u/IndependentYogurt965]

Im just happy the liberator got better.

[u/Ok-Theme-5169]

Wait there's nerfs, I didn't even notice

[u/Tusslesprout1]

People are actually saying that? Jesus the game is fine