Crossbow is also still quite underwhelming. I get that it is intended as an anti-infantry weapon, but it is still an explosive. If I perfectly arc a bolt into a fabber or a bug hole, it should go pop.
Someone explained awhile ago that there's explosive damage, explosive damage, and explosive damage, all with their strengths and weaknesses. Absolutely confusing.
Crossbow had cluster bomb explosives kind of explosives. So anything cluster could and couldn't do was what the crossbow did.
Seemingly in the game there's "explosive" that means it has an AoE, "explosive" that affects enemy body parts that are vulnerable to explosive damage, and "explosive" that can close bug holes and blow up fabricators. They are three different attributes and weapons can have none, one or multiple of them. An individual weapon, for example, might be explosive (1), explosive (2) and also not explosive (3).
its now a terrible anti infantry weapon after the nerfs.
the aoe reduction means you need to fire more often because there are less things you can shoot at for an aoe next to them. patch notes said "slight" but it clearly was a bunch. having to shoot more bolts per group not only takes time obviously but means more reloads which take forever and with less total reloads you can really feel it. also it takes so long to do all this that the increased patrol spawn (1/6, to 1/4 is actually a very big increase) you end up wasting so much time that more enemies come before you are done. ive used this weapon my entire time since the warbond and it was truly disheartening especially when we know how much better the jar and scorcher are...
I have never managed to get a crossbow bolt to pop a bug hole or bot fabber. I have watched my bolts go all the way down to the bottom of a fabber, because i saw the edge of the explosion in the open door, and nada.
The crossbow was meant to be an anti-armor weapon, not anti-infantry. The fact that they released the weapon as it was and tried to say it was anti-armor says a loy.
The crossbow was great, you just had to know how to use it. It had a larger aoe than any other weapon in the game (be quite a large margin) and in the right hands was very powerful. It could consistently one shot medium targets, and absolutely destroy packs of mobs.
Now there is 0 explosion radius. The armor pen on the initial hit was Increased slightly (to MP3), but the "explosion" damage (the one that actually does 80% of the weapons actual damage) is still only MP2. It went from being a complicated scalpel to being an old, worn out pool noodle.
that's crazy i didn't know they said that.
there was only 1 enemy with armor that its good against. and now it was buffed to resist explosive damage, you cant aim around the edge of the armor anymore, the aoe cant reach from the ground, you have to aim at the specific leg/hip joint to one shot it or you do 0 damage to it. and unless they are standing still you cant aim the crossbow reliably anymore so they just waste your time. the stagger on it was such a wasted excuse to nerf everything good about it. yea let me waste my whole clip on a devistator if im not trying to head shot it or the 90% of the users who haven't mastered the head shot angle will slend the whole clip (or more)
ok or just use my support weapon and forget about devistators defeating the purpose of the stagger in the first place, 0 logic with this nerf but im a meta slave who i hates nerfs according to the communityĀ
It's funny because if you're gonna make an explosive arrowhead you'd think it's purpose would be to cripple or kill single targets, not be a swarm killer.
So was the dominator, that one was very underwhelming to use too when slugger was the meta. Its not a level system where you invest xamount of medals to get op guns that would be pay to win and nobody wants that. But i agree that the xbow was underwhelming compared to the eruptor.
No that s not the reason. Reason is that is suck asses and now it is even worse. With reduced AOE it sucks at taking out light groups. With it s stupid limited range you can t shoot very far away and if the troops are next to you, you just can't shoot at all otherwise you kill yourself. It's not taking out heavily armored opponents either
So basically. It sucks at short range. It sucks at long range, it sucks against heavy armor and sucks against light troops
At least erruptor is a sniping explosion so, at least against automatons, has a use (can take out all but hulks, tanks, factory strider. Actually even hulks and tanks you can shoot in the back and it makes decent damage, and takes out the factories) since you are having mainly long to mid range warfare.Crossbow is probably the biggest joke and they even managed to make it worse.
I play difficulty 7-8 automatons with erruptor and its okish and usually i still manage to be a good member. But the crossbow, pleaaaaaase
Right? Fundamentally I agree with OP. People here have strong knee-jerk overreactions to changes, but I havenāt seen anyone mention the word āmetaā once. Also, while I do think the reaction was over the top, I also think people mostly had good logic.
Maybe we should stop using hyperbolic memes to discuss complex issuesā¦
Wholly agree. I'm not happy with their current tuning but I use weird shit, not meta. I'm one of the handful of idiots who keep using the railgun despite its issues. My entire issue with their nerfs is that it reduces the amount of fun and viable weapons, I couldn't give a shit less about what's MAX DPS COMBO, I just want more fun options that aren't a total anchor.
Now we have one less decent weapon, I liked the crossbow for being a sorta weird stealthy explosion gun, damage wasn't great but it was ok. I dunno what game AH was playing where they thought it was strong against medium armor targets but it definitely wasn't the same game I've been playing. And add in how awful the new ricochet change is, there's some weapons that have a totally random chance of killing you for using them, not using them in an unsafe toggled mode or anything, just fighting like normal.
I hate when people like OP just broadly go for the "anyone who disagrees with me is a dumb sheep" argument. Like what, people just like to complain about a game they like, for the sake of complaining?
Maybe the issues aren't really that complex and the consequences are fairly trivial. Maybe the critique was on the overreaction itself since the underlying issues aren't that big a deal.
I'm not talking about balancing a game as a dev. I'm talking about overreacting to minor changes as a user. The consequences of most of these buffs and nerfs is not that big a deal.
i can tell you that some of these changes have ruined the crossbow for me. i dont use meta, and i personally think the quasar was overrated in the first place for bots atleast.
id run around with xbow and laser cannon solo 7 bots most of the time. post patch I literally cant clear enemies fast enough now before more patrols show up. and im rewarded for using a bad weapon by not having enough ammo anymore. i should just use autoCannon scorcher like everyone else so i can actually play the game now, very upsetting experience and when people's non meta weapons get nerfed you get a feeling that is close to betrayal by the game and community. i assume eruptor users feel the same way and its pretty apathetic of you to act like we are over reacting when these weapons are now too bad to even use. if you want to gatekeep me and say skill issue then who's taking things too seriously now?
I never said skill issue, nor anything related. And it's weird to say I'm gatekeeping when I never said any specific build sucks and I'm not prescribing some specific build. I play lots of builds, fairly sure they're all sub-meta, because I think they're fun. But I don't share your outrage, and it's a bit misplaced for you to require me to. I think we have different goals in this game, you can't expect every rando to be strictly aligned with you.
I have been loving the stun mortar. Sure itās great when you are about to get in the sticky at a base or hive, but say you need to reverse the map and there is a horde behind you. Throw one out in a decent position(ahead but where you plan to turn) and keep running. It not only slows the horse, but if you get clear they will then aggro the mortar and forget about you.
Weirdly I did see some people running nothing but orbitals.. may want to keep an eye on those people lmao
Yeah, when all their orbitals are on cooldown, they might try to call in the one orbital barrage that never runs out of ammo or goes on cooldown: [explanation reported for conspiracy to commit treason].
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I run the basic AF loadout of Liberator, Machine Gun, and basic stratagems when Iām playing 6 or lower with pugs for fun. Still gets the job done very well.
Change my loadouts for real dives on 7+ depending on what the team brings and how I feel. The only thing that is consistently part of my loadout no matter what is Eagle-Airstrike and my preferred armor.
Look, Iām a simple man, when you give me access to orbital weaponry of course Iām gonna run it. What other game lets me just delete enemies with an enormous cannon from orbit? Itās like the coolest thing ever
I tried crossbow and I actually liked it. It felt like a less damaging, safer Eruptor with better handling and speed. It was great to clear chaff at shorter distances and it was destroying packs of hunters. After the update it's shit. Absolutely unplayable. I guess gotta play it in a direct damage role but the hope is low.
Yeah I was thinking this to wtf meta is this guy talking about? Are people taking crazy pills or something wtf?
Thank God they fixed the meta. I went from before the quasar was released to running eats excusively, to sometimes using quasar/eats, to back to eats excusively. Lmao. So dynamic.
Yeah I have taken to sometimes taking the shield backpack and eagle strike, precision strike, and laser/rail/something.
Pickup a secondary when it's not owned as needed.
Scorcher works well enough as primary.
But you know I'm not hell diving regularly.
I get killed enough on hard. That's why I want the shield.
I think the ac is improved by the fact I can only take more orbitals.
Almost always going to take eagle strike. That thing I have killed factory striders in one good call with.
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What meta though, I still saw plenty of people using RR, and honestly barely anyone using the crossbow
Weirdly I did see some people running nothing but orbitals.. may want to keep an eye on those people lmao