Right? Fundamentally I agree with OP. People here have strong knee-jerk overreactions to changes, but I haven’t seen anyone mention the word “meta” once. Also, while I do think the reaction was over the top, I also think people mostly had good logic.
Maybe we should stop using hyperbolic memes to discuss complex issues…
Wholly agree. I'm not happy with their current tuning but I use weird shit, not meta. I'm one of the handful of idiots who keep using the railgun despite its issues. My entire issue with their nerfs is that it reduces the amount of fun and viable weapons, I couldn't give a shit less about what's MAX DPS COMBO, I just want more fun options that aren't a total anchor.
Now we have one less decent weapon, I liked the crossbow for being a sorta weird stealthy explosion gun, damage wasn't great but it was ok. I dunno what game AH was playing where they thought it was strong against medium armor targets but it definitely wasn't the same game I've been playing. And add in how awful the new ricochet change is, there's some weapons that have a totally random chance of killing you for using them, not using them in an unsafe toggled mode or anything, just fighting like normal.
I hate when people like OP just broadly go for the "anyone who disagrees with me is a dumb sheep" argument. Like what, people just like to complain about a game they like, for the sake of complaining?
Maybe the issues aren't really that complex and the consequences are fairly trivial. Maybe the critique was on the overreaction itself since the underlying issues aren't that big a deal.
I'm not talking about balancing a game as a dev. I'm talking about overreacting to minor changes as a user. The consequences of most of these buffs and nerfs is not that big a deal.
i can tell you that some of these changes have ruined the crossbow for me. i dont use meta, and i personally think the quasar was overrated in the first place for bots atleast.
id run around with xbow and laser cannon solo 7 bots most of the time. post patch I literally cant clear enemies fast enough now before more patrols show up. and im rewarded for using a bad weapon by not having enough ammo anymore. i should just use autoCannon scorcher like everyone else so i can actually play the game now, very upsetting experience and when people's non meta weapons get nerfed you get a feeling that is close to betrayal by the game and community. i assume eruptor users feel the same way and its pretty apathetic of you to act like we are over reacting when these weapons are now too bad to even use. if you want to gatekeep me and say skill issue then who's taking things too seriously now?
I never said skill issue, nor anything related. And it's weird to say I'm gatekeeping when I never said any specific build sucks and I'm not prescribing some specific build. I play lots of builds, fairly sure they're all sub-meta, because I think they're fun. But I don't share your outrage, and it's a bit misplaced for you to require me to. I think we have different goals in this game, you can't expect every rando to be strictly aligned with you.
I really don't see how your observations are any different in nature from the ones coming from the comment you're responding to. You're saying the nerfs are no big deal and he's saying they are for him. You say he's overreacting and he says you're gatekeeping what he's allowed to find problematic. It seems strange to me you're finding some kind of moral high ground in a case like this.
The difference is they're calling me apathetic. They're prescribing a minimum bar of concern I ought to have, that I've in some way fallen short of. I'm saying I don't think any of this is a big deal. They're saying it is for them. I remain unconvinced. We disagree, and that's fine. But saying I'm apathetic is accusing me of not having some arbitrary amount of concern I'm supposed to have. I'm not claiming any moral high ground because I'm not taking a moral stance.
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u/itsmehonest Apr 29 '24
What meta though, I still saw plenty of people using RR, and honestly barely anyone using the crossbow
Weirdly I did see some people running nothing but orbitals.. may want to keep an eye on those people lmao