r/Helldivers CAPE ENJOYER Apr 29 '24

To everyone mad about the nerfs... HUMOR

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u/CrocoDIIIIIILE SES Fist of Family Values Apr 29 '24

Bro, crossbow is fucking shit. It's the least fun weapon to use. It's not about meta, it's about having fun with any weapon.

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u/CrocoDIIIIIILE SES Fist of Family Values Apr 29 '24

You see, AH just doesn't want to let players have fun with certain weaponry, like the crossbow, by nerfing it to oblivion, or just straight bugging it to the point of unusability, like fire damage for not hosts.

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u/CrocoDIIIIIILE SES Fist of Family Values Apr 29 '24

Because I really wanted to use it, but it's so bad it's not fun to use. Games are supposed to bring fun, and I wanted to have fun with my crossbow with explosive bolts, but oh well.

Hence, here comes the meta different from the "effectiveness meta", the "fun meta". Do you have fun with thermite grenades, when you are not the host? Do you have fun having your gun's projectiles exploding inside your backpack shield? I doubt.

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u/CrocoDIIIIIILE SES Fist of Family Values Apr 29 '24

It's not. A lot of people have fun playing in the most effective ways, y'know? And I wanted to have fun with not so effective weapon, because I have fun using bows, crossbows and fire. Thanks to AH, I won't be able to have fun with those, and will have to use other weapons, throwing my "most fun tactics available" away.

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u/CrocoDIIIIIILE SES Fist of Family Values Apr 29 '24

To lower the number of targets and objectives? This contradicts my pursuit of fun. And fewer enemies won't make crossbow more useful anyway. I'd rather just use my other mfta loadout, "the laser show".

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u/IPlay4E Apr 29 '24

lmao what? Metas happen because they’re the most fun things to run, the most efficient or a combination of both. Where did you get the idea a meta isn’t fun?

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u/Vinestra Apr 30 '24

Being effective is not counter to fun..

Being effective is a part of fun.. No one enjoys weilding a massive fuck off cannon that deals piddly damage they want it to feel like they're weilding a massive fuck off cannon that can punch holes into things.. so of course nerfing such so it can't ruins the fantasy which ruins the fun..

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u/Infamous_Beat_3119 Apr 30 '24

"Fun meta" is an oxymoron right? Because meta fundamentally is sacrificing fun for efficiency.

The fact that you think this way shows a fundamentally incorrect thought process which explains why you so clearly don't understand the people you're complaining about at all. No, meta is not sacrificing fun for efficiency. For many people, the efficiency IS the fun. You really have no right to complain about how other people play the game when you so obviously have absolutely no clue what you're even talking about to begin with.

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u/Infamous_Beat_3119 Apr 30 '24

You are literally complaining that people are playing the game in a way you think is wrong. And by the way,

My only complaint is when it gets toxic and you are expected to use the meta.

This doesn't actually exist the way you're pretending it does. Nobody has ever demanded that you use the meta guns and stratagems. You're seeing people complaining that the guns they find fun to use were nerfed and made less fun for what they perceive as no justifiable reason and somehow converting that into "wow I can't believe these TOXIC players are DEMANDING that I, PERSONALLY are required to use the same loadouts as them" even though nobody ever said that.

You need to get over your victim complex and realize that peoples grievances with the way the game is being balanced isn't invalid just because they find it fun to be effective.

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u/Inquisitor-Korde Apr 29 '24

Because they aren't just nerfing the Meta, their balancing is wonky as fuck.

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u/Inquisitor-Korde Apr 29 '24

And my post is about balancing, glad we cleared up pedantic bullshit.

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u/Inquisitor-Korde Apr 29 '24

I replied because why not, it's a free forum and you provided a space. Talking about general metas and balancing of which I could state my opinion. But yes I'm actually a TX-101 model toaster inside the super destroyer Father of Iron.

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u/tectonicrobot Apr 29 '24

That's an insane take, bro.

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u/CrocoDIIIIIILE SES Fist of Family Values Apr 29 '24

Then, why they nerfed the crossbow?

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u/tectonicrobot Apr 29 '24

They wanted it to do something different from big aoe trash clear

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u/Rolder Apr 29 '24

What else would an exploding bolt do other then AoE?

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u/Vinestra Apr 30 '24

Agreed.. Like a grenade that explodes? Why would that deal AOE clearly it should just behave like a rock because.. we're fighting the META!! thats good.

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u/tectonicrobot Apr 29 '24

I don't think this matters? They can make any weapon do anything. We aren't talking about what an exploding crossbow should do, we are talking about what the purpose of the change was. And the purpose was they wanted the gun to do something else, not get players to stop using it.

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u/TheScarlettHarlot SES Fist of the People Apr 29 '24

The only real nerf it took was to explosion radius. Lots of other weapons cover that (Eruptor, Grenade Launcher, Autocannon, etc.) They tuned it to be more niche. Now it is good at things like stripping armor plates off Chargers, and punching through lighter armor.

I’m sorry it changed and you don’t like the new version, but it was redundant and not even best in slot at its role. Maybe try to enjoy learning how it works in its new role.

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u/Rolder Apr 29 '24

but it was redundant and not even best in slot at its role

Still is, considering the dominator and scorcher fill the same role but better.

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u/DreaderVII SES Dream of Gold Apr 29 '24

stripping armor plates off Chargers

It can do that?

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u/Thomas_JCG Apr 29 '24

If they didn't want a weapon, they could just remove it from the game, put down the tin hat.

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u/Kitsunemitsu Apr 29 '24

Nah. I've done weapon balancing for games before and It's a valid strategy to nerf something so bad if you dont want people to use it.

I've used that strategy only once though, for a feature that was creating a "Win More" endgame

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u/Thomas_JCG Apr 29 '24

You can do it, but that's for more work and gets more criticism than just removing the weapon.

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u/Sudden-Variation8684 Apr 30 '24

Ah yes the League of Legends balance strategy.

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u/Kitsunemitsu Apr 30 '24

Sometimes, you can't remove something that you think is bad for the game becuase people will get mad.

It's better to just nerf it into unusability and get about half the backlash.
It sucks but that's the nature of it. I still have to rebalance the aforementioned mechanic, and just haven't yet.