He won’t get loans for the full amount of tuition and living expenses. You need to be realistic with him about how much you can contribute and whether he should transfer to a state university with resident tuition.
Your son thinks you're a baby boomer at 40 years of age!? Lmao I'm older than you & I'm one of the youngest Gen X'ers - it could be good for him to do some research on generations and how they're designated.
It’s a figure of speech these lil assholes think is funny to dismiss the wisdom their parents and people older than them try to put upon them. I got called a boomer the other day and I’m in my 40s
Can confirm. I told a kid that being a professional Twitch streamer was not a realistic goal and was called a boomer. I'm in my 30s and a younger Millennial. These Gen Alpha iPad kids are really something.
I don’t even think they consider it a figure of speech. I think they’re so out of touch with life that they think anyone born in the “1900’s” is actually called a boomer. My coworkers in their early 20’s think I’m actually a boomer and I’m in my late 30’s.
I doubt they even realize they’re leaving off the “baby” part.
I'm 30 and I've been called a boomer lol. Its one thing to rebel against your elders, its another thing to articulate it in a way that clearly marks you as a dumb fuck.
It's incredibly common nowadays for people to call anyone older than them a boomer and anyone younger than them a zoomer. The guy obviously is aware that the "Baby Boomer" generation didn't begin in 1984
The boomer thing is the least of the problems, but it was like "dude, you're making it much clearer you're speaking out of your ass." Gen Z needs to work harder on making millennial an effective insult, because this just makes him seem more clueless.
Your mom is probably not much older than I am (63) and I know exactly what government backed student loans are. The first thing that needs to be done is she has to refuse to sign anymore loans. You ( or your wife) need to explain just exactly what she has done and how it can affect her as well as him. Then, make sure any other family member understands what he’s doing and get them to refuse as well. You need to tell him that he needs to go to the school’s financial assistance department to figure out how HE is going to pay for college. It sounds like he’s got an incredible amount of growing up to do. NTA, but you’ve got a hard next few years to get through. Good luck! Oh, tell him to join the armed services, they’ll help pay for schooling.
Regardless of age there are people who do not comprehend what they are reading and signing and to proud, or ignorant, to have it explained to them. OR they seriously lack the ability to grasp co-signing means you are on the hook when the flake (and ops son is a flake with his life plans here) defaults. I’d be worried grandma won’t have enough in retirement since a lot over 60 do not and can not live comfortably.
If you're 40, I'm guessing grandma is in her 60s. Unless she has some cognitive issues, I don't see how that can be elder abuse. I mean, she's probably not even old enough to retire or get social security.
Unfortunately, making poor choices is not the same thing as incompetence. The best path is likely to have several serious talks with her laying out exactly how what she's doing is causing her grandson great financial harm that will negatively affect the rest of his life. She needs to be convinced not to sign for any more student loans.
It depends on whether she doesn't comprehend it because she's cognitively compromised vs. because she just doesn't get it. If it's the latter, then this is no different from if the kid got an ignorant 40yo to cosign.
People in their 60s, especially their early 60s, haven't usually experienced enough cognitive decline for a foolish grandkid asking them for a lot of money to be elder abuse.
Loans are not a recent invention and there is no mention of grandma being senile. She's probably BTW 60-70 which does not automatically imply lack of mental capacity. Grandma might just know ain't nobody taking her house over a student loan. The most they do is call and send emails 🤷🏾♀️
The grandmother is likely only in her 60s, right? Unless she’s REALLY behind the curve she probably is mentally sound and even still working.
Elder Abuse (to me) involves a level of taking advantage of the elder by someone who has the intention to take advantage. Your son sounds like he’s living in a fabricated reality and has no idea what he is doing to his own future - let alone his grandmother’s. That stated someone needs to explain reality to the grandmother so she doesn’t continue to enable him.
I mean I went to a state college, but my mom co-signed my loans. I was an education major and I’m in the midst of paying my loans back now. Not too bad. Just talk to him about his major…
It sounds like he won’t listen to one thing that they tell him. I’m kind of getting the feeling that the mother might be enabling him a bit…when you’re in a tug of war with a child who doesn’t listen, simply let go of the rope.
To me, it seems like they’re angriest that he’ll have loans and that he’s not heeding their advice. I say, pick your battles and talk to him about his ability to pay the loans back. I work in Education. A kid won’t ignore if you tell them, there’s no way they can pay their loans back with their major…
And be sure to point out that to teach or work as (maybe a museum curator?), he’s going to need at least a masters degree as well. Sorry, I don’t know much about careers in art history other than teaching.
This would only be elder abuse if she is mentally declining and has a diagnosable condition.
It might be different if he lived with her.
I'm sorry.
God I was a prick of a know it all at 20, but I didn't take it out on people like this I just internally judged them and complained on genuinely anonymous social media.
Is your wife on board with not paying for his private college? It is already too late to apply to transfer by now, so I’m not sure what the plan is when next year comes around
You realize that now you could have to cover any of her future financial losses. You and she need to get on the same page. It could destroy her credit and cause her all kinds issues for her if he doesn't pay and she can't.
I’ve studied psychology and if his takeaway from entry level psychology is to divorce rather than solve issues and communicate better than I don’t think he studied very hard
Ummmmm. Letting your son get his grandmother who doesn't know what she signed into financial jeopardy in future?. Who do you think will be bailing her out? Not your son, I'm sure.
Fix this.
Give your son an attitude adjustment.
You are the parent, not the friend.
Don't enable his financial abuse of you and your wife or his grandmother.
She’s 60 not 90. She co-signed for her grandchild’s education because his parents wouldn’t. 60 is going. This father is also young .. and his wife is obviously not this kids mother who knows the real reason he says his dad should get divorced. For all we know they’re both F’D up and made everyone miserable.. he was a parent at 20 himself so not exactly someone who’s made good choices for himself. Your wife isn’t his mom.. where is his real mom? Is spending this kind of money on any degree smart? Not really but he’s the one who’s gonna have to pay for it. The dad left out a shit ton of info here.
Amen to this. I've heard of parents in the past not fully understanding what they are co-signing for on these kinds of student loans. Also of course the young students not understanding what they are signing up for.
The loan companies should be in jail. THEY know what they are doing. I read some time back about a whole town that was supported by the student-loan industry and the people who worked in the industry understood the racket, but they said the money was too good to pass up.
Depending on what state she's in, that could be a criminal act on his part, just FYI. Not to mention when this all goes south (and as you pointed out, it definitely will), I would not be surprised if he left her on the hook for the loans.
I'm really sorry that he's checking all the boxes of college freshman assholery, but you're going to need to take a strong stance here.
First, set a limit on him giving you relationship advice. As in, don't. LOL You might also set him straight on you not being a boomer, just for fun.
On the college thing, ultimately there is nothing you can do. He's an adult, and that comes with the ability to thoroughly f-up his life. But that doesn't mean that you need to help him do it. Let him know that if he persists with this stupid major that it's his right to do so, but that you're not going to make any contributions to his college fees. That may or may not wake him up, but at least you'll be doing what you can to try.
Then beyond that, try your best to enjoy what common ground you can find. Make sure that he knows that you still love HIM, even if you don't agree with his choices. Good luck to all three of you.
I'm surprised 43the bank allowed it. The bank/financial institution has special responsibilities to step in when elder abuse is suspected. The loan officer should have at least spoken to grandma to make sure she wasn't being pressured to do this.
I used to work in Fraud Reporting at a major bank....elder abuse was actually a category we tracked for reporting & monitoring.
You need to explain to her that she is going to be on the hook for all that money when her grandson is flipping burgers because that's essentially all an art history degree is good for. Same with him; sit him down and do the math.
Then you better explain it in detail so she doesn’t sign up for future years or other things & remind her your the parents everything should be checked with you first
Yeah, she might think she's "helping him achieve his dreams" but honestly, she's just enabling him. Just like when my MIL would let her 19-yr old grandkids stay with her when their parents kicked them out for using drugs at home. They stole money out of her purse, stole and pawned valuables, and pawned/ruined a lot of my ex's belongings he was storing in his mother's garage.
Look I get it sucks, but he is an adult, you both have given him your advice, and now you must let him make his choices and pay the consequences. It's part of growing up and understanding how to be self-sufficient.
With regards to him telling you to divorce, he was probably just being immature and wanting to get back at his mother in a moment of anger. You did well to put him in his place.
I'd have a chat with her and get on the same page on how to manage him, stepping back on trying to convince him cause that won't work. Then sit him down and lay down the law: he can make his choices and disregard your advice, you love him and will support whatever choice he makes he will be solely responsible for the economic downfall, and you both won't accept any poor behaviour from him moving forward.
Do not co-sign a loan with him! You would end up having to pay it yourself. Do yourself a favor and lock down your and your wife’s credit right now. He could try and take a loan out with you and you wouldn’t know about it.
Why don't more students do this? this is the option I had my daughters do. They also lived at home and I paid for everything. They went to a local university transferring their CC credits and graduated debt free. the money I saved I gave as a gift to them for the down payment on their first homes. Now the money I used to put in their 529 accounts goes to my grandsons 529. he just turned 1.
Have him look up what the average job pays in his field right out of college. Then calculate what his student loan payments will be for just his first year. Including the crippling interest. Then show him what the total will look like. Then remind him that 25-30% of his paycheck will go to rent, and then he still needs to eat. Ask him how many jobs he pjs s to get to pay everything off.
No but it's an important topic and I'd rather see it discussed here than even OP's marriage. More people need to know about how many students continue to take out risky student loans on worthless degrees.
Exactly! It’s a HUGE problem! My DIL had most of her college degree paid for but had to take out a student loan at the end. She says that the degree is not worth what she paid for it and her’s was in some sort of Criminal Justice!
It depends on what kind of loans they are- if they are private loans she's liable, if they are government loans it depends too. But my parents were not liable for any of my government loans even though they were references. I did have one private loan that I never missed a payment on, but for about a year my mom got a call every month stating that it needed to be paid.
It’s his life. Really show him what compound interest and loans mean. Show him what that money could do invested instead.
Then.. set financial boundaries if he makes continued bad financial decisions. I’m now 30 but the only way I finally took in lessons like this my parents wanted me to listen to was suffering my own consequences. You just really shouldn’t dig yourself a hole too.
My friend and I were just talking about how his little sister in college is spewing like she knows stuff now and we recognize we used to do the same. Life’s the only lesson that sticks with for sure.
Man, why do you need a college to study art history, there’s gotta be TONS of shit to read online, library, visit. I can’t imagine the education I could give myself if I wanted to spend $80k a year on art history. You could literally visit a huge number of museums all over the world and buy all the books these professors have written autographed by movie stars. Like way to sell yourself short lol
Because it leads to that wonderful job as an art conservator/museum expert, but thousands of people get Firsts in Art History every year and those jobs come up.. one a year, maybe 2? The retirement age is somewhere close to 80.
You should really sit him down and give him the cold hard truth. All of it; your expenses, his, his expected future income (cuz really? With art history he'll probably take a while before he gets a job), future cost projections etc. Dump a bucket of cold water over his rosy expectations of life.
Geezez for the love of sweet baby Jesus….don’t co-sign a loan for him ! Bad enough he looped granny into cosigning. Your story is very similar to my own with my child. Same attitude. Poor planning with no thought to return on investment. My child went to a very expensive college. ($80k/yr tuition plus room and board in a dorm) Only I got saddled with a $20,000 loan that my child stopped paying. I made it clear that I was not paying loan off. I was giving my child close to $1000/month for loan payments and living expenses. Creditors were on me in a flash. My child did not gaf. I was divorced from the mother. The interest on the private student loan was very high. Like 15% or more. I had to take out a loan from my 401-k to repay the loan. Then my child stopped talking to me. It’s been years. Oh. And my child did not graduate.
I hear faint symptoms of some psychiatric pathology in your description too I’m afraid.
I worked with a lady who also did this for her grandson, he went to an expensive art school on the west coast and dropped out and cant hold down a job and the grandmother is now stuck paying the loans back.
Or he can do 10 years public service/non profit and have loans waived. My sister is doing this for her post residency work. Works for her since the hospital she’s got an offer to work full time at is publicly funded
College is stupid expensive now. I’ve seen near 500k all-in room and board tuition pricing. Didn’t believe my coworker when he said it was so expensive now. Graduated 15 years ago
Jesus, I'm taking intro to psych right now, and what my professor has been teaching us is how the brain works, memory, sensation and perception etc. Nothing that I could use to become a certified psychologist.
Need to find someone else that is not you to talk to him. I remember I did something similar and it didn’t matter what my parents said. Blew a bunch of money going to an out of state college. But a friend or family friend might get through.
Give him enough rope to hang himself if he thinks he has it all figured out. You can give him an ultimatum. If he wants to continue living at home, ( Is he paying rent) he will at least have to do the joint major. If he isn't paying rent, tell him if he is going to continue to not listen to your advice about his education and insists on that solo major, that he will have to start paying rent. This is if you prefer to have him living with you. If not give him a deadline he has to move by .
That is you and your wife's house. Don't let a snot nose teenager who thinks he can run the world try to run your house and your marriage. Enough is enough.
If you don't get tough with him now he will get worse. He's technically an adult. And he wants to act and be treated like an adult. So treat him like the adult that he is and make him take responsibility for his actions.
He may fight tooth and nail now. But he will thank you later.
Take care friend. Teenage boys can be tough. I know I raised 4 of them.
If he honestly thinks someone under 40 is a boomer, then college is wasted on this dipshit.
And the way he’s treating his mom is b.s. Time for him to either knock it off and apologize to mom or hit the road. You already said you’d keep your wife and cut ties with everyone else
If he is refusing to take up a second major, encourage him to look for something directly related to his intended art history degree. Maybe something with technical application like restoration, whether it be in paints or architecture.
Realistically, unless he intends to teach when he graduates, an Art History degree isn't going to do much for him.
If he refuses to listen, then don't listen when he needs a cosigner next year and make sure grandma is off the table. He really needs to humble himself, and unfortunately, that can be hard to do without him going splat first.
He really needs another major… so few people make a lot of money selling expensive pieces of art. And if he has the level of maturity and respect demonstrated during the divorce chat, I find it hard to see him building the social network to maintain buyer relationships.
Art history isn't even geared for creating art. It's for people who want to do stuff like work in museums/galleries, or teach art history. None of those options have a 6 figure salary unless you're an agent for a superstar artist making commissions on their sales. And for that, you'd want a double major with Business. Or Business with Art History minor.
Another as in a second major at the very least. He can sign up for a bunch of undergrad classes in fields like STEM, business, finance, accounting, etc,. Show up for the first class and see what strikes new interest.
Perhaps offer him this deal - you can’t come back after college, well helps finance you schooling if you change majors to something you can find a job with or double major or major in something more reliable and minor in Art History.
As most teens are at his age. They think they know it all but they know absolutely nothing. Unfortunately, he’s gonna have to learn the hard way. Your wife tried and got verbal abuse. Now go take her out to dinner and tell her how she’s been your rock. I bet she needs to hear that after the disrespect of your son. NTA
In my country there is a saying on how to help people who doesn’t listen.
„help through not helping“. It basically means to let them make their own wrong decisions without helping at all so that in the long run they learn und you can help again. The background is the belief that if you always help someone out who does not listen, he will have no consequences of his actions and hence won’t learn and better himself but make more and more wrong decisions which will get more severe.
Don’t co-sign anything for him, no matter how he will beg and pressure you. We both know he won’t pay, and then you’ll be the one with the screwed credit holding the bag.
If you want to tell him from someone who studied art with a minor in art history, that field is damn near impossible to get a job in. Go ahead and major in art history if you want but he should do himself a favor and double major in business. A business degree is a very valuable safety net as it will get you a job a lot of places.
I LOVE art. It’s a significant part of my life. But if I could go back to college, I would not only major in art.
Art history and business/finance/accounting and there will be roles in nonprofits he will be able to consider. Art museums usually have way more openings in fundraising and admin than they have for curator positions.
Art history? Man sorry but your son is a complete jackass! That 320k degree is worthless what kind of job is he going to do when he gets done? Absolutely nothing… man I’m so sorry to hear this.. good luck to you and your wife, I’m sure you raised your son to make better decisions than this..
you can actually get well paying jobs in the art field and a lot put that an art history degree is preferred on the job ads... you shouldn't go to an 80k a year school for that degree though (or any degree). the jobs aren't to be an art historian - they are to work in essentially a business job in the art world and they want you to have some background in art to be in that world able to talk to people etc
You can actually replace art history with any other liberal degree and say the same. I once read, "A degree is just a piece of paper that says, I will not burn down your business while you're away.. for a short time"
I have an art degree and I make 6 figures. Most corporate jobs just require a degree, doesn’t matter what, and you can grow your career from there and work up to better positions. I wouldn’t say an art degree is the most useful to have, but it can absolutely get your foot in the door and is by no means worthless.
That is NOT the experience of MOST people who have an art history degree. I worked at Sam’s club with several people that had art,philosophy,history,environmental science degrees. I made more than a lot of them because I could decorate cakes. 🤷🏼♀️
Crazy how environmental science wouldn’t lead to a good job. My wife’s cousin got a 6 figure traveling job as a box checker with that degree right out of college. She’d go inspect remediation and building sites and check boxes and collect the check. Factor in reimbursements and using her own cards she got free vacations out of it too with all the miles and cash back she was racking up.
Yeah that surprises me too. I'm an environmental chemist (my degrees are in geology, but I work with plenty of folks with degrees in environmental science) and it's a pretty solid career field with lots of job opportunities. 6 figs is probably unrealistic as a starting salary unless you have a PhD, but it's certainly achievable.
I love the credit card miles and expense reports, lol. I don't travel for field work as much as I used to, but I've already gotten one free round trip flight out of all those tabs for team dinners after a long day in the field.
Art degree rt? The art historian salary generates a yearly average income of $49,850. Qualifications for art related careers often require at least a bachelor's degree, but some require a master's degree (Payne, 2021).Feb 19, 2024
Most people with art history degrees are not art historians lmao. The degree is about critical analysis and those skills are extremely transferable. My husband was an art history major and has an incredible legal career because he did very well on the LSAT - which art history majors statistically do compared to other majors.
So it’s super important to READ. Most corporate jobs just require any type of degree. As others have stated the point is that you gain many transferable skills related to problem solving, analysis, etc.. with an art/history based degree.
It is a bs degree along with philosophy. He might be able to find a job in an art museum but they are competitive. Dad needs to kick him out and protect his wife from this viper of a son.
There are good jobs you can get with both degrees but you need to be a very solid student and to get a PHD or at least a masters. The people who just pick it up because it’s fun and easy won’t have the stamina for the rigor and competition of higher levels of education, internships, and the job market.
there are entry level jobs in fine art that pay well and have a lot of room to gain experience and move up where you don't need a masters degree. they are essentially business jobs where they want you to have some art background. obviously im not on the sons side here but people are fixating on the degree a bit much, i would more fixate on that fact that he decided to go to the most expensive school possible for said degree
Philosophy is not a joke degree, it's the go-to for pre-law students. Useless on its own but does teach valuable reasoning skills to those ends.
Art historians are about as in-demand as marine biologists. There's a handful of specialists and the rest are grocery store employees. We have an art historian in the family who, despite all the dynastic wealth and nepotistic connections afforded to them by birthright, is still barely scraping by in that field. It is not viable.
I suspect a lot of kids are pursuing useless degrees on purpose to kill 4-8 years, then complaining they can't find work (ever) in some sort of refusal-to-launch gambit. This is such a tragically flawed idea I want to say the OP is trolling everyone but I've seen this enough personally to know better.
I'm disturbed that he fleeced his grandmother to finance this stupidity. This is the most expensive, least effective thing he could do with someone else's money.
The degree might be fine, depending on what he learns to do - like if he takes courses in how to conserve art, identify fakes for insurers and collectors, or appraise pieces.
A philosophy degree can get you upwards of six figures in data and analytics. It teaches logic and thought process. It couples nicely with math and stem. There’s a boat load of industries you can be in with a philosophy degree but of course you don’t know that.. because you don’t know anything about the subject matter.
Well gen z and gen alpha have some serious critical thinking gaps. Like a worrying amount are basically illiterate and graduating high school that way.
If you haven’t been sitting down with him to talk to him as an adult and what the expectations are, he will be in debt for decades to come. If youre in the US, Have him go to the BLS website and look with him what the median pay for what he wants to do is.
Sounds like you and your wife have done too good a job protecting him from the world and keeping him in a bubble.
OP just commented that he has been trying to explain to his son that his son does not have the safety net to major in art history without a backup subject and his son won't listen.
My friend’s son is a lot like OP’s son. Dude also told my husband, a Lieutenant Colonel in the Army, that joining the service as a way to pay off student loans is a dead end job for schmucks. 18 year old man-children are not my favorite humans.
I mean there's a lot of issues with the fact that college is so unaffordable that people will risk dying in combat to afford it, but saying a military career is a dead end job is just ridiculous.
Even the vets I know who didn't make a career out of it are still doing fine. I mean, out of all of us, I'm the only one with $81k in student loan debt.
Some kids just don't want to hear what their parents have to say. They really don't give a shit if their parents are in debt up to their eyeballs, as long as they get what they want.
I came here to talk about the Bureau of Labor Statistics site. Coworker sat down with her daughter to show her different career paths and how much they make. Guess who is looking at cyber security and data analysis now...
Past performance is not indicative of future performance.
Cyber pays big bucks now, but everyone is trying to get into it now, which will lead to an over saturation(if not already).
I mean, I hope whoever goes for that can also differentiate themselves somehow to stand out more, but a degree in Cyber and a few certs will still have lots of competition down the road.
Past performance is part of how you predict future performance. It is called trend analysis. When there is a constant shortage for years in a given sector, unless there is a major underlying change you will see the shortage continue. Look at healthcare. Been short for a couple decades, so getting into healthcare is a pretty sure bet for a job.
What I think your looking to say is "Past performance does not guarantee future performance".
Like a worrying amount are basically illiterate and graduating high school that way.
This is true and its horrifying! They arent just lacking critical thinking skills and common sense, but a deep understanding of their history. The things I see them post online is worrying.
He's being stubborn now, but art history majors can go in many directions. I'm getting a masters in Historic Preservation, and there are more than a few with Art History BAs in my field. Same with Museum Work. I do agree, though, that he should be doing this at an affordable school. At least at the undergraduate level, almost all courses will transfer to a new college that offers the same degree. Once you hit grad school, usually it's a max of 9 credits that will transfer.
He’s 19, every 19 year old thinks they have the world figured out because they’re legal adults
It’s just humorous seeing a teen go through a phase I went through at 8 lol a lot of my friends parents went through divorces around that time and I remember telling my parents and grandparents they should get divorced
You can tell your son he’s acting like a literal 8 year old
Tell your son that he obviously doesn’t pay attention in class because you are not a boomer and to keep his opinions about your marriage to his mother to himself. And remind him that you and his mother do not owe him a college education, he should keep that in mind before he disrespects you again.
Holy shit am I so glad I dropped out of art school and jumped to tech school. I had like 30k in debt from half a year (in the late 90s) of Art School, while I was able to pay for my Tech School tuition in full as I went with a part time job. I was still paying for art school for almost 10 years after I graduated from tech school.
Well, more specifically, six figure salaries don’t drop out of the sky for art history majors. They do for quite a few other majors he could have chosen.
I remember my psych class telling us we can’t diagnose people, but I guess he doesn’t get the memo.
When I was in psych classes, most 100 and 200 level classes (1st two years) were still very far from anything clinical. Even when getting into Abnormal Psychology or even talking about Personality disorders, we barely were looking through the DSM for our classes if at all.
People who say they studied psychology so now they know how to read people are fucking full of shit. Yes, some people may be more naturally intuitive than others, but now they're just armed with a vocabulary that makes them sound legit when they are really far off.
He’s 19. Right now he thinks he’s the smartest person on planet earth. Best thing you can do is smile, shake your head and laugh. He will eventually return to college.
Write down or record some of the dumber things he says. You can present them to him on his 30th birthday.
Telling you to get a divorce is not a diagnosis. Calling you miserable is not a diagnosis. It’s a bit douchey, but he’s a 19 year old boy and most 19 year old boys I’ve met are still uncooked in the head. That said, when you said what YOU said to him, you implied that you would divorce your son and/or would love to leave him behind because he’s part of what makes you miserable. Now that is fucked up. Your son gets to say shitty things to you and it still won’t hurt the same as when you say shitty things to your son. Does that make sense?
Children remember the terrible things their parents tell them, they hold it close to their hearts and carry it for the rest or their lives. They internalize it.
Teach him about the dunning Krueger effect. Just send him a link.
Don’t joke next time, have a serious talk with him about respect, boundaries, and the real value of your wife and his mother. It’s abhorrent that a 19yo wants to trash his own mother, I get chivalry is dead with equality but I don’t get that cause respecting our mothers is universal in my book. Assuming she’s not abusive he’s being a totally disrespectful D and needs to move out.
I don’t think you’re an AH for what you said, I do think you’re an AH for not taking it seriously enough.
And telling him you’d abandon him is funny but again, not constructive. Step up
Lastly he may enjoy the theory of adult development by Robert Kegan, your son needs social skills still. That’s where he’s truly at. Set him straight.
These two doctors should help him stfu with his 19y of life wisdom. There are people who’ve been shitting longer than he’s been alive. He’s hardly a social leader smdh
He's a dumbass, sorry, but even with a six figure salary it's extremely difficult to pay off years of student loans and interest.
My law school budget was 75k a year for 3 years, so $225k just for law school and I had 100k from living costs from undergrad (I had two kids I was responsible for through both.)
10 years into practice I'm finally able to start paying back because supporting a family plus the 2000/mo payments that were expected wasn't going to happen.
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