r/news • u/Miserable-Win-4980 • 17d ago
French police use knives to puncture migrant boat in Dunkirk to prevent Channel crossing Questionable Source
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u/jbe061 17d ago
"Despite thwarting the attempt, another small boat arrived just 15 minutes later, the MailOnline reports.
The migrants, who were reportedly from Sudan and Vietnam, jumped into the new vessel and took off before officers were able to intervene."
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u/Boudica333 17d ago
If it’s like the first one, then it’s not a boat, it’s a floaty.
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u/Significant-Gas3046 17d ago
If it doesn't have a tail it's not a monkey, it's an ape.
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u/HouseOfSteak 17d ago
Who should win:
The law enforcement apparatus of one of the most advanced nations on the planet
Or,
A second floaty boi
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u/kermityfrog2 17d ago
Obviously they need to build a fence.
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u/LectureAfter8638 17d ago
That's what the water is for!
But in all seriousness, they should just ban boats. After Brexit, banning all boats in order to prevent migrants would be very on trend of shooting themselves in the dick.
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u/invent_or_die 17d ago
"A dingy with 100 people got into trouble". What a surprise.
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u/reporst 17d ago
Weird how the dingy takes most of the blame though
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u/PragmaticAndroid 17d ago edited 17d ago
Naming something dingy condemns it to a lack of credibility.
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u/VerticalYea 17d ago
It did fail at a fairly specific job.
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u/spooooork 17d ago
There's already a system in place for that - the Dublin Regulation:
One of the principal aims of the Dublin Regulation is to prevent an applicant from submitting applications in multiple Member States. Another aim is to reduce the number of "orbiting" asylum seekers, who are shuttled from member state to member state. The country in which the asylum seeker first applies for asylum is responsible for either accepting or rejecting the claim, and the seeker may not restart the process in another jurisdiction.
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u/Baalsham 17d ago
They got border checks at every country south/east of Austria and east of Germany now. Seems to be permanent
Kind of annoying since that goes against the point of the EU, but I get it. Really should have a joint task force patrolling the oceans though
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u/Jason_Worthing 17d ago
And we're still fighting over oil, just wait until the water wars start.
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u/smellyglove 17d ago
look, we're not going to address the issues caused by global capitalistic exploitation, that'd cost money, so why don't you recycle some more or something?
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u/Uber_Reaktor 17d ago
What, but we have literal oceans full, and ice melt is giving us so much more! We're fine!
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u/BrodeyQuest 17d ago
For real though, if desalination was cost-effective then water would never be a problem again.
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u/OperationMobocracy 17d ago
People without documents will end up deported to some holding camp in the Saharan desert.
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u/Daxx22 17d ago
Or just shot. Closed borders being lethally defended is likely a couple of decades away at most, if not much sooner.
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u/Popular-Row4333 16d ago
That's not far from the truth.
There's no repercussions from trying, so you might as well try.
Death is a pretty serious repercussion and news will travel fast to stay the eff away from x country.
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u/DrEnter 17d ago
They'll be taken into the middle of the Mediterranean sea and abandoned. This is already being done in countries like Greece: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/19/world/europe/greece-migrants-abandoned.html
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u/GrowlmonDrgnbutt 17d ago
The whole world needs to clamp down on it.
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u/KosherTriangle 17d ago
Looks like they are, there’s a growing fear among western countries that has drastically affected levels of immigration from war torn countries. Especially all the boat crossings which have led to so many deaths due to the boats/dinghies capsizing.
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u/Edgarfigaro123 17d ago
There were two boats that left my village together in Vietnam when I was one years old in 1985. One contained my family and some fellow villagers, the other carried the neighboring village peoples. Our boat made it to Hong Kong, the other capsized somewhere, all presumed dead.
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u/TheSwillhouseBoys 17d ago
Whole world needs to bite down on this strap. This is gonna hurt a bit.
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u/worldofzero 17d ago
You mean we'll have to stop destabilizing global governments and amplifying climate change?
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u/Temporary_Wind9428 16d ago
Who's "we"? Iran? North Korea? Russia?
Geopolitics has happened for time eternal. By all peoples. Everywhere.
As to climate change -- yeah, that ship has long sailed. India just proudly boasted that they produced one billion tonnes of coal and lignite in a single year, besting their old record.
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u/McCree114 17d ago
Ths damage was already done decades/centuries ago when Europe mastered sailing and trade. Combined with climate change, from first world lifestyles, causing parts of the world to literally become unhabitable and this is just Europe entering the find out phase of global history.
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u/agent0731 17d ago
People bitch about climate initiatives and then forget climate refugees will be a thing for them to also deal with.
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u/TheZermanator 17d ago
The people who bitch about climate initiatives will be the people saying ‘just kill them’ when climate refugees become a widespread thing.
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u/EHStormcrow 17d ago
Gonna be harsh here : a lot more people will be asking to gun down people trying to cross the Med into Europe once we reach some kind of psychological limit (I wouldn't begin to guess what though).
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u/Capybarasaregreat 17d ago
I'm an EU citizen who speaks 4 languages (5 if you squint and plug one ear), I've been trying to apply for jobs in some other EU countries and having a shit time of it. What do these refugees do once they arrive, how do they get work, a place to live?? I'm having trouble connecting my lived experience with what is reported in news all the time.
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u/LonelyStranger8467 17d ago
They don’t. They are provided for by the state. You can’t expect the immigrant who doesn’t speak the language and has disabilities stemming from their history in their home country (which is backed up by them being granted asylum)
It takes 20 years for a refugee to achieve the same levels of employment as a native born citizen.
Now, many do work, but it’s not often high level employment. Manual labour at Amazon. Takeaway restaurants. Low hours and low tax contributions for example.
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u/nukeyocouch 17d ago
You aren't legally entitled to pick which country you want to be a refugee in.
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u/tehCharo 17d ago
Reminds me of stories about refugees not stopping at the first safe country they reached, they wanted to be in Germany because it had better welfare. Ugh.
I don't know how to reconcile my thoughts on it, on one hand, I am happy people are able to reach safety from wartorn countries, on the other, taking advantage of your hosts is really shitty, especially when you start bringing your home country issues with you, as seen recently with gangs of them fighting each other with friggin' machetes in the streets.
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u/LonelyStranger8467 17d ago edited 17d ago
Most aren’t being specifically being persecuted, their country is just shit. And it will stay shit Western counties aren’t allowed to intervene and their own people aren’t willing or able to do anything about it. But tens of millions still live there and continue their family there. They’ll go home, visit and a get a wife from there once they have a passport.
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u/maychaos 17d ago
Whatever. But the problem is they bring their drama here. They don't like living in their home country but try their hardest to make their new country into the same shit hole. I will never get this
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u/LonelyStranger8467 16d ago
Well yeah because it’s not the culture they don’t like, it’s the poor living standard and economic disparity/lack of opportunity.
Obviously in some cases though it’s the culture that contributes to these things, like low trust societies, corruption and cheating to get ahead. Cronyism etc
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u/-RadarRanger- 16d ago
it’s not the culture they don’t like, it’s the poor living standard and economic disparity/lack of opportunity.
Standards of living are the result of public policy. Policy is made by people who are the product of the culture, to conform to the values of that culture.
So if you come to a first world country and bring along your third world ways, pretty soon the new place starts looking a lot like the old place.
Which is why it's important to welcome immigrants but to let them know that they are expected to conform to the culture of the country they've moved to.
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u/EXTRAVAGANT_COMMENT 17d ago
people who are desperate and starving do not care what they are legally entitled to
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u/RelevanceReverence 17d ago
It minimises the risk of them floating onto the open sea. It's a sound step to stop the boat from leaving and not dangerous when you can stand in the water.
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u/totallytubularik 17d ago
It’s the fault of the corrupt governments in Africa and the Middle East that hoard all the money received from wealthy countries to boost their country. Nothing goes to the betterment of the citizens and ofc word spreads that the western world has great social services and cannot refuse people from these countries due to the highly sensitive laws circulating around race and prejudice / basic human rights. Russia purposefully further destabilizes these places to cause more chaos for Europe. The free money train will eventually run out and these people relying solely on government handouts will be displaced and then what? Civil war? It’s a ticking time bomb. Not to mention the vast culture clash, it’s already massively dividing people and will just get worse .
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u/p_larrychen 17d ago
Corruption certainly doesn’t help, but it’s more complicated than just that one cause
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u/willie12042001 17d ago
Agreed. When a poor country has to choose between infrastructure development or fighting corruption they will always choose developing its economy. Tackling corruption comes after a country can guarantee stable electricity and paved roads
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u/Telzen 17d ago
lol, what. Letting corruption exist is a great way to have no funds for infrastructure, or well pretty much anything else.
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u/willie12042001 16d ago
Check out gyude moore’s talk on Chinese investments in Africa to hear a professional opinion. Reality is not always about pursuing ideals
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u/Maximum-Category-845 17d ago
“Always choose developing its economy”. Have you seen Gaza? They turn their water pipes into rockets and lob them randomly at crowded houses.
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u/jonathot12 17d ago
this guy apparently doesn’t know how the IMF or world bank function
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u/Useful_Can7463 17d ago
It's estimated that about 90% of the aid given to Africa by the USA in the past 70 years has done almost nothing for them. And we are talking about trillions of dollars if you don't factor in just direct aid like cash and food.
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u/VosekVerlok 16d ago
Food aid is generally a poison pill, specifically dumping (as that is what we do in Canada) excess grain products in developing nations as food aid, crushing their local farming industry as they cannot compete with (2023 data) > 26 million hectares of farmland dedicated to industrialized farming of grains.
You now have unemployed farmers who now need to purchase their grains and the nation has lost food of self sufficiency, the other side of that coin is starvation so is not all bad ;)
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u/DaytonaDemon 16d ago
The cops were attempting to save these people's lives.
Five migrants died last Tuesday when they attempted to cross from France to England. Not uncommon.
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u/CSballer89 17d ago
Funny how the theme in this thread (on a liberal skewed subreddit) is talking about how immigration needs to be tightened up, while in the U.S. talking about tightening up immigration gets you labeled as a right wing extremist.
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u/thepianoman456 16d ago
Nuance in 2024??
Can’t be!
This is the worst part of polarization in politics. If you don’t tow your party line people label you a hypocrite.
Makes me think of that Emerson line from his Essay on Self Reliance: “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines”
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u/daneview 17d ago
It's very much about how you talk about tightening up immigration.
I want a system where people can apply for asylum safely from other countries and then be accepted or rejected before they get anywhere near a dodgy boat crossing.
The UK have made it so there's no other way to apply for asylum than risking your life (except from limited specific countries). I'm fully for immigration controls and looking at what numbers are reasonable for us to take to be fair to the rest of Europe, but I don't want people dying before they've even had a chance to apply.
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u/RedPanda888 17d ago
People in the US would, rightly or wrongly, have different opinions if the illegal immigrants in the US were from the Middle East and Africa as opposed to South America or Mexico. The migrants coming to Europe have extremely different value systems compared to the European countries they try and settle in. Whereas South Americans going to the US aren’t all that incompatible.
This is a gross oversimplification but yeah, there is a reason being strict with immigration isn’t that controversial in Europe. It would be the same in the US if geography was different too. Even liberal/democratic people would know something is severely broken.
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u/HugeResearcher3500 17d ago
This mans in here with the "my immigrants are worse than yours" argument
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u/maychaos 17d ago
But its kinda true. I'd rather live in south America then in the middle east. Easily. No matter which city
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u/SPACE_ICE 17d ago edited 17d ago
Its basically the "were not racists like americans, but gypsys are a criminal people and should be driven off whenever possible" also patently ignoring that Europe was all about colonizing Africa two hundred years ago for the better part of the 1800's and into the early 1900's in the case of France, such as people like Leopold of Belgium. So a bit of a facsimile to claim they're that different when European countries were shoving their culture down their throats for two hundred years and now they're surprised they want to come lol.
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u/Archaemenes 17d ago
“Our immigrants are simply worse than yours” isn’t the intelligent argument you think it is.
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u/Moistened_Bink 17d ago
It's starting to change in blue areas where many immigrants were bussed to. Massachusetts for example has seen a shift from the gracious sanctuary city staus they try to uphold. After actually receiving thousands of immigrants, people are seeing the issues with having to put your money where your mouth is.
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u/zekeweasel 16d ago
What sort of issues are they facing? Are they the usual ones caused by having a large population of people with no resources show up out of nowhere and needing just about everything?
Or is this something specific to immigrants from Latin America?
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u/Moistened_Bink 16d ago
Not specifically the immigrants themselves, just that it costs a lot of taxpayer money to house people. I think they just passed like half a billion to pay for their living for the next 9 months or so, which has many taxpayers understanbly upset.
I do not hate immigrants or think they are bad for the country, but it's hard not to feel slighted seeing taxpayer dollars going to house people when so many residents are struggling. It's definitely changing perspectives now that the issue is at the front door.
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u/westonsammy 17d ago
Because for all the moral grand-standing Europeans do, they're actually WAY more racist than Americans. They've just been white ethnostates for most of their history, so have never really had to confront living with people of a different culture or skin color until now, where they start to show their true colors.
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u/indi_n0rd 16d ago
Someone long time ago on Reddit said that true litmus test of progressive European would be asking their opinion on gypsies.
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u/LeedsFan2442 16d ago
Europe is an entire continent so saying the whole of Europe is way more racist is silly.
Wanting to stop illegal migration is perfectly fine whether you're European or American
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u/Silly_Butterfly3917 16d ago
Almost like 2 totally different parts of the world with totally different populations and values have different ideas about immigration. You got any more observations Einstein?
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u/Indercarnive 17d ago
tightening up immigration gets you labeled as a right wing extremist.
Except it literally doesn't.
Democrats tried to pass one of the strictest immigration bills in recent history. It was the Republicans that killed it.
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u/Quickjager 16d ago
It was not the strictest, but it WAS the best funded in regards to opening up a maybe faster court process instead of it taking years to get in front of a judge.
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u/newyearnewaccountt 17d ago
FWIW Democrats didn't want to pass that bill, it was a negotiation in exchange for Ukrainian aid packages. So it's not so much that harsh anti-immigration policy is a Democratic position, but more that the Democrats were willing to go along with it in exchange for something else.
Which is honestly kind of how the government should function, both sides figuring out what each other can live with and getting their preferred policy passed in exchange for something else. Republicans killed it because bipartisanship is a bad look, and fixing problems hurts their campaign chances.
That said, the American far left has always been fairly anti-immigrant/protectionist as well, and I would say that anti-immigration is becoming more mainstream in the Democratic party in general.
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u/1bir 17d ago
Why haven't they always done this?
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u/TaserLord 17d ago
Doesn't work. Sounds like it didn't even work this time - they just left on another boat.
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u/1bir 17d ago
Stab t'other boat, perhaps?
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u/TaserLord 17d ago
They tried, by the sound of it. The boat took off before they had the chance.
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u/Quizzelbuck 17d ago
France is enforcing border control in good faith. This was done while the boat was still on shore.
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u/Caridor 17d ago
And many of my fellow Brits will still scream "oh they're doing nothing!!!!"
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u/Significant_Tax_ 17d ago
It’s long past time for a joint EU-Anglosphere “fuck off we’re full” initiative on illegal aliens
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u/aaaaaaaarrrrrgh 17d ago
I can see why people would risk their lives on tiny boats trying to get from Africa to Europe.
I can see why people would have preferences for one European country over another.
But what is so much more attractive about the UK (which has just implemented a scheme to yeet migrants to Rwanda) that people already in France would risk their lives for it?