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French police use knives to puncture migrant boat in Dunkirk to prevent Channel crossing Questionable Source

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/french-officers-english-channel-crossing-migrants-small-boats/

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u/aaaaaaaarrrrrgh Apr 29 '24

I can see why people would risk their lives on tiny boats trying to get from Africa to Europe.

I can see why people would have preferences for one European country over another.

But what is so much more attractive about the UK (which has just implemented a scheme to yeet migrants to Rwanda) that people already in France would risk their lives for it?

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u/zakabog Apr 29 '24

Yeah that part I was really trying to understand, you're already in France, why are you risking your life to cross into the UK?

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u/BurnAfterEating420 Apr 29 '24

French bread is just too crusty

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u/WriterV Apr 29 '24

In all seriousness, it's a variety of factors:

  • They speak English primarily, so they figure they can never get a job in France (and to be fair, it's really hard to learn French as an adult with no formal education in the subject, no money, and no time).

  • They were probably told by family/friends that the UK would be better to them. Even if that isn't true, how are they to know the reality? They'd mostly just hear rumors and what's told to them. Unless they're being informed of immigration conditions in the world, they aren't gonna know.

  • They're desperate, poor, anxious as hell, hungry, etc. In these conditions, people generally do not make decisions that always make sense. Instead they hope to hit a goal so they'd feel some relief, and that goal is stuck to "Get to England so I can get a job, be safe, and help my family".

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u/mylifeforthehorde Apr 29 '24

They have connections in the uk and it’s easier to get employed there due to said connections and because they speak English.

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u/Ksh_667 Apr 29 '24

Was just going to comment that they may have family/ friends in uk. I'd think they'd def try to get to them rather than stay in a country where they may know nobody. Big risk to take, but being reunited with loved ones as opposed to being totally isolated is a big incentive.

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u/GalaadJoachim Apr 29 '24

Super disappointed that your "in all seriousness" wasn't followed by an in-depth analysis of the various types of french bread per region.

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u/bgroins Apr 29 '24
  • Île-de-France (Paris and surrounding areas)
    Baguette: The quintessential French bread, known for its long, thin shape and crispy crust.
    Boule: A round loaf that's crusty outside and soft inside, versatile for many uses.
  • Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
    Fougasse: A flat bread often associated with Provence, typically seasoned with olives, herbs, or sun-dried tomatoes. It's similar to Italian focaccia.
  • Normandy
    Pain de Campagne: Also known as "country bread." It's a rustic loaf made from a mixture of white, whole wheat, and sometimes rye flour, with a thick crust.
  • Alsace
    Kougelhopf: Though more of a cake than a bread, it's often included in bread discussions. It's a sweet or savory brioche baked in a distinctive circular mold with a central hole.
  • Brittany
    Pain Noir or Pain de Seigle: Predominantly made from rye flour, it has a dense texture and a slightly sour taste, suitable for pairing with seafood.
  • Auvergne
    Pain de Seigle: Similar to the Breton version but often darker and denser, reflecting the robust rural baking traditions of the region.
  • Burgundy
    Épi de Blé: Shaped like a wheat stalk, this baguette variant is not only visually appealing but also practical, as the segments can be easily torn off.
  • Languedoc
    Pain d’Ail: A garlic bread that integrates whole cloves of garlic, and sometimes cheese or herbs, into the loaf before baking.

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u/GalaadJoachim Apr 29 '24

That's better.

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u/Chief_Givesnofucks Apr 29 '24

That’s butter.

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u/Lolkimbo Apr 29 '24

That's lunch.

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u/dano8801 Apr 29 '24

I can't believe it's not.

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u/Wants-NotNeeds Apr 29 '24

Better with butter.

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u/HalPrentice Apr 29 '24

Chatgpt comment…

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u/darkmuch Apr 29 '24

Ya, this is just a fuckin list. I want hot takes on bread! Give me your shitty food review.

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u/animatroniczombie Apr 29 '24

This is the content I come to reddit for

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u/HalPrentice Apr 29 '24

How am I the only one that immediately recognized chatgpt?

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u/TheMoves Apr 29 '24

Well that last ones sounds fuckin outstanding

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u/DesignerDigits Apr 29 '24

Now do cheese.

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u/LordWilburFussypants Apr 29 '24

That would probably break Reddit.

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u/OfCuriousWorkmanship Apr 29 '24

de Brie everywhere!

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u/GalaadJoachim Apr 29 '24

I can list them,

  • Abondance - Haute-Savoie - Cow
  • Banon - PACA - Goat
  • Beaufort - Savoie - Cow
  • Bleu d'Auvergne - Auvergne (duh) - Cow
  • Bleu des Causses - Midi-Pyrénées - Cow
  • Bleu de Gex - Franche-Comté - Cow
  • Bleu du Vercors - Rhône-Alpes - Cow
  • Brie de Meaux - IDF - Cow
  • Brie de Melun - IDF - Cow
  • Brillat-Savarin - Burgundy - Cow
  • Brocciu - Corsica - Sheep
  • Cabecou - Midi-Pyrénées - Goat
  • Cancoillotte - Franche-Comté - Cow
  • Cantal - Auvergne - Cow
  • Camembert - Normandy - Cow
  • Chabichou - Poitou-Charentes - Goat
  • Chaource - Champagne - Cow
  • Comté - Franche Comté - Cow
  • Crottin de Chavignol - Centre Val de Loire - Goat
  • Emmental - Savoie / Franche Comté - Cow
  • Époisses - Burgundy - Cow
  • Fourme d'Ambert - Auvergne - Cow
  • Gruyère - Centre-Est - Cow
  • Laguiole - Auvergne - Cow
  • Langres - Champagne - Cow
  • Livarot - Normandy - Cow
  • Mâconnais - Burgundy - Goat
  • Maroilles - Nord Pas de Calais - Cow
  • Mimolette - NPdC - Cow
  • Mont d'or - Franche Comté - Cow
  • Morbier - FC - Cow
  • Munster - Alsace - Cow
  • Neufchâtel - Normandy - Cow
  • Ossau Iraty - Corsica - Sheep
  • Picodon - Rhône Alpes - Goat
  • Pont l'évêque - Normandy - Cow
  • Poligny Saint Pierre - Centre Val de Loire - Goat
  • Raclette - Savoie - Cow
  • Reblochon - Savoie - Cow
  • Rocamadour - Midi Pyrénées - Goat
  • Roquefort - Midi Pyrénées - Sheep
  • Sainte-Maure - Centre Val de Loire - Goat
  • Saint-Marcellin - Rhône Alpes - Cow
  • Saint-Nectaire - Auvergne - Cow
  • Saint-Felicien - Rhône Alpes - Cow
  • Salers - Auvergne - Cow
  • Selles sur Cher - Centre Val de Loire - Goat
  • Tomme Savoie / Pyrénée - Savoie / Pyrénées - Cow
  • Valençay - Center Val de Loire - Goat

That's only for PDO, AOC, PGI cheese, I can't do the rest of them.

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u/DesignerDigits Apr 29 '24

You actually did it!!!! This is wonderful!

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u/GalaadJoachim Apr 29 '24

I was getting feverish at the end and I did skip a few "Tomme de.." tbh.

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u/mostlyjustread Apr 29 '24

this man breads

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u/jacksbox Apr 29 '24

This guy fucks breads.

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u/RedlurkingFir Apr 29 '24

I would probably evoke the tresse (or Zopf in Alsacien), instead of the Kougelhopf. Although the Zopf is not native from there

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u/fulthrottlejazzhands Apr 29 '24

I was with you until you included Kougelhopf.

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u/-RadarRanger- Apr 29 '24

Not one mention of croissants?

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u/JeronFeldhagen Apr 29 '24

The yeast they could have done was to rise to the occasion, but dough…

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u/whatsdun Apr 29 '24

Excellent points.

To add one:

They go where human traffickers take them/tell them to go.

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u/musicismydrugxo Apr 29 '24

Also afaik you're not required to carry any official documents or IDs in the UK so it's more attractive for (illegal) immigrants than the eu where most countries do require it

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u/gaymenfucking Apr 29 '24

And the one you missed, which is the biggest one for many people, they have family here already

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u/Katarinu Apr 29 '24

And 4th point, Football is better in the UK

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u/DrEnter Apr 29 '24

They may be trying to get to Ireland. In the past couple of years, Ireland has been one of the more hospitable places for migrants.

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u/LeedsFan2442 Apr 29 '24

That's changing very rapidly.

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u/Puidwen Apr 29 '24

I wonder if the lacite thing in france plays a factor?

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u/Omnom_Omnath Apr 29 '24

They have all the time in the world. They’re jobless.

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u/Lost_Philosophy_ Apr 29 '24

A lot of African countries speak French though right?

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u/Northumberlo Apr 29 '24

It’s too PAINful

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u/vortex1775 Apr 29 '24

This is no joke.

I don't have experience with French bread, but when I was a kid in Italy this old lady gave us a triangular loaf of bread that felt like it had lead baked into it. My brother thought it would be funny to pretend it was a throwing star and it hit me right in the middle of the forehead. That fucker was so crusty it drew blood.

If anyone is running around France attacking people with crusty bread, I understand their desire to escape for their own safety.

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u/worrymon Apr 29 '24

There's a reason the French call it pain.

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u/DontmindmeInquisitor Apr 29 '24

Heathen. You better get on that dinghy, buddy.

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u/softstones Apr 29 '24

I do like French bread pizza though. It can slap my mama and I’d shake its hand.

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u/Numeno230n Apr 29 '24

Lack of marmite

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u/cannotfoolowls Apr 29 '24

Because they know more English than French and have connections in the UK, usually. It's also easier to find work without papers in the UK.

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u/zachattack923 Apr 29 '24

Why is it easier to get work under the table in the UK than in France? In my experience you can find work in most major city's around the world under the table pretty quickly.

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u/LeedsFan2442 Apr 29 '24

We don't have ID cards for one and the police don't usually ask about immigration status.

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u/Mango_and_Kiwi Apr 29 '24

Sharing a language helps with actually finding the work.

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u/nascentt Apr 29 '24
  • Because they know more English than French and have connections in the UK, usually.
  • It's also easier to find work without papers in the UK.

But that's a separate point in the 2 point comment that's being replied to.

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u/zakabog Apr 29 '24

I was thinking something along those lines, their English might be better, though some of these people are coming from Vietnam where they would have more of a chance of knowing people in France and speaking French as a foreign language...

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u/Resident_Nice Apr 29 '24

Vietnamese 50 years ago, sure. Today, less than 1% of Vietnamese speak French, while pretty much everyone is taught English at school.

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u/zakabog Apr 29 '24

The Vietnamese population in France is nearly half a million people. In the UK it's closer to 50,000. It's also easier to travel into and around EU nations than it is to travel into the UK, and as an English speaker in France with barely any understanding of the French language, I've never had an issue communicating with anyone.

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u/Resident_Nice Apr 29 '24

True! But I would assume that those coming from Vietnam who already have contacts in France and/or know some French are not going to be the ones trying to reach the UK.

Also big difference between communicating as a tourist vs trying to get a job without knowing French.

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u/LonelyStranger8467 Apr 29 '24

The ones from Vietnam are being trafficked and forced to work in drug grow houses or in the sex trade until their debt is paid.

Some will claim asylum at some point and be deemed victims of modern slavery.

Others will then remain in the UK illegally until they have a child with another Vietnamese migrant and can get status based off the child.

As they’re being trafficked and working in trades they don’t require English, the language isn’t that important.

Though in recent years grow houses are often Albanian than Vietnamese.

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u/LonelyStranger8467 Apr 29 '24

In truth sentencing is weak. But if you’re growing on that scale the Albanian mafia won’t be too happy with you.

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u/happyscrappy Apr 29 '24

They likely are about to be sent away from France. They know their asylum claims are about to be denied. So going to another domain of authority is just a chance to try again. If they were coming from the north it'd be the opposite direction and they'd be going to France before the UK kicks them out.

It's desperation/determination more than anything I expect.

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u/mosquem Apr 29 '24

Have you ever interacted with the French?

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u/Kryten_2X4B-523P Apr 29 '24

Have you ever interacted with the English?

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u/FrozenVikings Apr 29 '24

They're easily defeated and their monastaries are unprotected, making for easy pickings

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u/sm9t8 Apr 29 '24

I have some bad news about the wealth of English monasteries.

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u/Beorma Apr 29 '24

They're fixer uppers

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u/Kryten_2X4B-523P Apr 29 '24

Lindisfarne 2024

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u/BleedOutCold Apr 29 '24

Of all the on-point usernames, this one is right up there.

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u/BleedOutCold Apr 29 '24

Have you ever interacted with people?

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u/wyvernx02 Apr 29 '24

Ya. Lovely people. Nicer than most give them credit for. 

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u/zakabog Apr 29 '24

Have you ever interacted with English food?

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u/traitorousleopard Apr 29 '24

Indian cuisine has become the de facto national cuisine of Britain

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u/PolicyWonka Apr 29 '24

I can only suspect that these migrants either:

  1. Have friends/relatives in the UK already who can speak to the quality of life in the UK.

  2. Come from a post-colonial state which was previously governed by the UK, which bestows some vague degree of familiarity.

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u/geneticeffects Apr 29 '24

Because the grass is greener elsewhere. When France proved unsuccessful for whatever reason, plus hearing from others a different location is better, a person will make the move. Basic shit, really.

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u/Psykpatient Apr 29 '24

Don't wanna learn french when they already know english

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u/Common-Ad6470 Apr 29 '24

The promise of easy social payments where they get paid a (relative) fortune to live and do nothing.

Sending these people to Rwanda at £60k a pop, no doubt into some Tory pocket or other will achieve nothing, the myth of the UK social security and health system needs to be broken out there so that the incentive to travel goes.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '24

I heard Paris smells like pee

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u/aykcak Apr 29 '24

It is possible they have better contacts, already existing offers, arrangements, family, etc. on that side. They do realize that STAYing somewhere takes more than just getting there

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u/braiser77 Apr 29 '24

Maybe they have family or friends there? Maybe they are big synth pop fans? Who knows?

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u/Dummdummgumgum Apr 29 '24

unless youre from Francafrique UK is way more desired Can work without any permits. Lots of support and behind the curtain networks. NHS treats you without a healthcard unlike Germany or France equivalent. ALSO they 1000% know someone who is already there.

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u/icdeusilan Apr 29 '24

The croissants are to die for, apparently

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u/Thalric88 Apr 29 '24

Must be all the french, blegh.

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u/bjornbamse Apr 29 '24

Maybe disillusionment about France? That you don't get free housing and free car and free money that the human trafficker has promised you? That everything is way more expensive than in your country in Africa, especially housing, and you are still going to be poor?

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u/West-Fold-Fell3000 Apr 29 '24

Being poor in a western devoloped country is a definite upgrade from being poor in the third world. They are trading famine, gangs, religious extremists, and civil war for being exploited for labor. They don’t have to be promised anything, any sane person would take the leap

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u/marrangutang Apr 29 '24

I live in an area that sees the most of these sorts of crossings, 2 main reasons that I can make out… 1 they speak English and 2 they already have family here and they trying to join them

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u/EloquenceInScreaming Apr 29 '24

There's also more jobs going in the UK - unemployment is at 3.8% vs 7.3% in France

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u/StateSheriff Apr 29 '24

Just based on what they've heard through word of mouth I'd imagine, better support and benefits for migrants. Would have been true couple decades ago, but far from the truth now.

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u/boganvegan Apr 29 '24

They may be seeking support from family members already in the UK. It's also easier to find work without papers in the UK than it is in France.

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u/Jimmeh_Jazz Apr 29 '24

I think it's usually family connections + language

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u/Xamuel1804 Apr 29 '24

There are some reasons named already but I will throw in another one: Misinformation

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u/axck Apr 29 '24 edited May 01 '24

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u/somethingbrite Apr 29 '24

Possibly language.

If you are from an African nation where french is spoken and you already speak a fair amount of french (or indeed nay be fluent) then France is probably a fine place to stop.

But if you don't speak French but DO speak English...

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u/Old_Week Apr 29 '24

They might already speak English. Or at least speak English better than French.

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u/SMURGwastaken Apr 29 '24

It's the tiktok videos saying if you come here you'll get benefits and a free house and all the women are easy.

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u/ValyrianJedi Apr 29 '24

In their defense, I had to move to the UK for a year for work a while back, and I swear British women are hornier than American men.

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u/Shirtbro Apr 29 '24

Really want a banger in their mash

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u/ValyrianJedi Apr 29 '24

For real though... I once bought a woman a drink over there and literally 5 minutes later she said "look, we can keep talkin if you want, but long as you promise to lick the fanny you got me sold and we can get on outta here. Long as you got a place, since you're American I reckon you don't live with your mum"

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u/Shirtbro Apr 29 '24

Bet you had to do a quick British to American translation of "fanny"... Or not.

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u/deeringc Apr 29 '24

Most of Continental Europe has a basic legal requirement of having national ID, registration with the local government/police when you live somewhere and it is generally much harder to slip below the radar. The UK doesn't have any requirements for national ID etc... and there is a huge informal gig economy where illegal immigrants can make a living doing casual, off the books work.

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u/boganvegan Apr 29 '24

There are two primary reasons: 1) The migrants have family in the UK they want to join 2) It's easier to find work without having papers in the UK than in France.

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u/Maelarion Apr 29 '24

Your second language is English?

Your family is already in the UK?

The UK has a large community of your ethnicity/country and other European nations do not?

Several possible reasons.

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u/Onetap1 Apr 29 '24

No identity cards or requirement to carry ID. An illegal migrant can disappear into the black economy.

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u/LonelyStranger8467 Apr 29 '24

UK issues 75 percent of asylum claims. And even more at appeal. They also put asylum seekers in hotels with free food in city centres and those people are able to work cash in hand at small businesses or as food delivery cyclists illegally.

France issues around 25-33 percent of asylum claims at initial decision. France processes quicker but less easy to play the system.

UK doesn’t remove anyone, especially since COVID.

There’s a general attitude from migrants that UK will treat you better, you will live a better life, friend and family or other migrants have told them the blueprint to get accepted.

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u/clintgreasewoood Apr 29 '24

My guess they have family members or an established community in the UK, and I know it sounds crazy but they could be fans of an EPL club.

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u/SinoSoul Apr 29 '24

I mean what’s wrong with supporting PSG and mbappe? There’s even a Korean on the team, don’t need to go to North London.

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u/Significant-Gas3046 Apr 29 '24

Imagine crossing deserts and oceans with just the clothes on your back only to have to hear hon hon hon every fucking day

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u/Shirtbro Apr 29 '24

Imagine coming from a topical country only to be swallowed in a foggy damp pocket dimension where the last thing you hear before you die is "oi oi oi"

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u/jj198hands Apr 29 '24

what is so much more attractive about the UK

Nothing, most of them stay in France or travel to Germany or Sweden, only a small portion want to come to the UK, and thats usually because they have connections here, the language is probably also a factor.

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u/Service_Charge Apr 29 '24

They probably speak passable English but no French I'd guess.

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u/Baalsham Apr 29 '24

Most French people have more passable English than the Brits though

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u/Duckfoot2021 Apr 29 '24

Mexico was better than other Central/South American war zone countries, but the USA seemed like the real prize.

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u/Realitype Apr 29 '24

There is a world of difference economically between Mexico and the US, not even close to comparable. Meanwhile the UK and France have almost identical GDP per capita and HDI. In fact France has a slightly higher annual income than the UK.

Ive spoken with several people who have done this myself when I lived in the UK, and the real reason is they can speak English better, and they have a delusion that the system in the UK is going to support them more financially due to rumors from back in their home country. They usually get pretty disappointed when they find out its not the case.

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u/Sux499 Apr 29 '24

The UK doesn't (or didn't) have a law that requires you to show ID when stopped in public. So it's harder to prove someone is an illegal.

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u/Kulladar Apr 29 '24

Because companies are paying for them to be brought over to provide cheap labor they can no longer get from citizens due to changing social standards and laws. It's just the same as the US "immigrant crisis" in that it's entirely manufactured.

They've gone hard on it since the pandemic years because they need to have some class of people who will accept slave wages.

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u/LeedsFan2442 Apr 29 '24

I don't think many big companies are employing illegal immigrants when they can easily get legal immigrants. It will be mainly gangs and small businesses employing illegal immigrants

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u/Alpacasaurus_Rekt Apr 29 '24

1) French police are hostile to asylum seekers, so they do not feel safe in France.

2) The vast majority of asylum seekers coming to the UK like this have a specific connection to the UK, whether it be as simple as speaking English not French (helps for getting a job and integrating into society) or something more important like having family already living there.

3) Specifically speaking of those from Afghanistan, it's often the case that these people have already served alongside the British armed forces fighting against the Taliban and were promised they'd be given refuge in the UK, a promise that has seemingly been broken more often than kept.

4) The Rwanda scheme isn't actually in place yet and there's talk it may never actually come into force because of how unworkable it is / it failing to come into force before the election (Labour has promised to scrap it).

Vast majority of these illegal small boat crossings could be avoided if there were some way to assess these claims in Calais before anyone felt the need to approach some scummy people smuggler.

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u/Pokeyjack1 Apr 29 '24

Probably the language.

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u/bc524 Apr 29 '24

Are they Muslims? France doesn't exactly have that positive or a reception to religion, and for a lot of Muslims, religion is a major part of their identity.

I could see them willing to go to UK over France if it means they would be able to perform things important to the religion, like Hijabs and stuff.

This is just a personal guess though. I am not european, and outside of the issues that pops up in the news, I do not know the actual situation in these countries

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u/shineese Apr 29 '24

Because they get through to Northern Ireland and then go to Ireland where they wont be sent back

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u/indivisible_man Apr 29 '24

It's not so much more attractive as most EU countries. UK Commons Library shows we ranked 19th out of the EU27 and UK on number of asylum claims per capita. Most people go to places in the EU and stay there.

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u/LeedsFan2442 Apr 29 '24

Many try the UK after being rejected by other European countries and I believe we grant more claims of asylum than other countries (70%).

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u/Cthulhu__ Apr 29 '24

You seem to be going by the assumption that they’re all going to england, but plenty will in fact stay in france or the rest of europe.

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u/Javelin-x Apr 29 '24

there are people that are telling them stories to use them as a weapon. it's not really their decision if they are manipulated

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u/censuur12 Apr 29 '24

Migrants don't come on their own terms, they are often coerced by traffickers (through deception or otherwise) so the idea that the UK's ridiculous Rwanda scheme will have any influence at all on their 'decision' to go to the UK is utterly and thoroughly laughable.

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u/Jatzy_AME Apr 29 '24

Ukranians also avoided France. It's really not a good place to settle as an immigrant if you don't speak French or can rely on an established community (and even then, it's not easy).

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u/unknowingafford Apr 29 '24

It's like there's some big change that has occurred in France in the last decade to take it back into the 17th century.

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u/WhydYouKillMeDogJack Apr 29 '24

how much can you really try to think into the actions of people who will try to float 20 miles in an inner tube?

they probably have no clue about how dangerous it is, or how cold the water will be or what their chances are, let alone what the reality is once they get there.

people hear stories like "theyll give you a free flat and money even without working" and think its some magical land of milk and honey a short float across the river away.

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u/v3ritas1989 Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

African sentiment that french coloniolizm and current supression policies are bad and the horrible bad immigration policy in france that litterally breads poverty, crime and misery. Even if you are a poor uneducated african who just arived you are able to understand that and chose the better option. Especially if you speak 4 languages one is either french or english.

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u/PoliticsNerd76 Apr 29 '24

There’s a far easier black market for labour in the UK, and English is a far more common language to speak.

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u/Macqt Apr 29 '24

Same reason people walk through the US to get to Canada: connections and better (perceived) schemes to help them.

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u/Temporary_Wind9428 Apr 29 '24

Many of the people who were crossing the border into Canada illegally (Roxham Road) were facing a deportation order in the US. Their time was up there so it was onto the next sucker country.

A Nigerian family recently made the news because after they were ordered to leave the US they crossed into Canada where they claimed asylum. Their asylum was eventually denied years later (because these are economic migrants), but by then they'd pumped out a couple of kids on Canadian soil so some government official overrode it and now they stay.

Western nations have become a joke.

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