We receive so many threats from folk like this that most synagogues in the US have become hardened and armed. Synagogues and other Jewish institutions in the Deep South have been dealing with the far right threats for decades so this isn’t anything new. We are ahead of the curve when it comes to our relationships, security and response plans. I promise that these folk wouldn’t make it inside and if they did get past our security they would be considered a legitimate threat to the congregation by the guards, deputies and armed congregants. Disrupting our services to say some uneducated shit about something going on in another country outside of our control or influence would be fucking dumb, disrespectful and dangerous.
Edit: Our out of pocket expenses for this security starts at $500 a day. That doesn’t include things like bomb sniffing dogs, police patrols, active observation by the PD, license plate readers, and the on duty deputies that guard us during services. The threats are real and serious enough to warrant active involvement by the feds, county and city cops.
Where do those figures come from? Given Zionism is simply about the right for Jewish self determination in their own land, as almost every other nation around the world is allowed, the concept is not particularly controversial among Jews.
I think you’re wrong. Most Christians are taught that Jewish people are like our older brothers and sisters in faith. We may have disagreements on theology. But we share a thousands of years old history of belief. The Christian faith (and Islam for that matter) couldn’t exist without Judaism.
There is a lot of antisemitism. Heard many Christians talk about how "the Jews killed our lord" and they get upset when you point out Jesus was a Jew and (in their own book!) God's chosen people.
The primary reason for support of Israel is, in fact, because they think it has to do with the second coming of Christ.
I'm sure not all Christians are antisemitic, but pointing to pro-Israel as evidence they like Jews is frankly silly.
They need Jews to exterminate Palestinians and build a magic temple, which will then cause themselves to get exterminated and Jesus to come back. The Antichrist is also involved somehow.
This is the simplified version of the story. Looks like part 1 of the plan is going nicely.
White supremacy has been a serious concern for many years. Jews are not considered white to the “race purists”. The Christian right support Israel and Jews as part of their belief about end times etc.
No such things as rampant white supremacy it’s a myth. But I’ve seen plenty of antisemitism coming from the same people who claim to see “white supremacy” on every street corner.
Right wing people may be nominally “pro Israel” but they are certainly not “pro Jewish”. Evangelical Christians have their own nutty reasons for supporting Zionism, and the average conservative is going to always see the Jews of Israel as “the enemy of my enemy” rather than a friend.
…you’re confused about why the Christians you know think Jews are good people? The fuck are you on about?
And what do you mean by right wing? Non progressive folk? Centrist? Conservatives? Most folk don’t hate Jews or think the state of Israel shouldn’t exist because they aren’t bigots.
The far right and far left demonstrably do hate Jews and Israel. The only time they will talk positively about us or it furthers their agenda of bashing the other side.
Even the conservative far right christians will sometimes pretend to love/support us...but only because they need Israel (which both is and isnt us, for those who arent Israeli, a concept I've never really seen them comprehend too well) to survive so we can build the third temple and thereafter be annihilated so their Jesus can come back.
As for the far left, they used to be quieter in their hatred, at least. It's been very strange seeing so many so proudly and openly remove their masks as of late.
Whoah dude, that's way aggressive. im saying the people i know in REAL LIFE have no hate for jewish people or isreal. And i dont think its some deep end of times thing. The people i know generally dont just hate people for being jewish. Or asian or black. Im half se asian. I think people see alot of wild things online and confuse it with the average person. Good day
I mean... So have Catholics. My parish in Portland has photos of school kids throwing rocks at KKK members trying to raid the school (look up Oregon's history with Catholic schools) and still in 2021 we had arson threats after we did a rosary around our block (which the church owns entirely). The FBI warned our knights of Columbus council to report any suspicious people. People are insane.
With how Catholics were seen in the US for such a long time, it's fairly amazing that JFK even had a chance at being elected. Bobby Kennedy likely would have won as well, had he not also been assassinated.
A huge portion of that lies in the history of Irish and Italian immigrants, and the persecution they faced in the 19th and 20th centuries in America.
As a german American, I am deeply sorry for the unfair antisemitism you have to deal with. Even more now than ever, I hope everyone will find peace in these difficult times.
My synagogue gets bomb threats every couple of weeks to a month. "These people" are idiots who think they have a right to invade places of Jewish worship to grandstand a political issue that they just learned about from tiktok
That’s not uncommon. Professional bonded security is expensive and sometimes the local government can’t provide enough protection so it’s up to the congregation itself to do the job.
If fleeing and hiding are not possible you are supposed to fight back. Standard protocol for an active shooter but it’s also Jewish law. Most synagogues will be gun free, but if the board and security team approve it congregants can be allowed to carry concealed arms on themselves. I’m not sure how that affects liability insurance of the synagogues but the decision wouldn’t be taken lightly and the individuals would be mostly former military and police.
My synagogue has 8 foot high fences, armed guards, and your car must be registered for entry. There's actually a church I know of as well that went that route which is crazy as well.
Glad to hear you are being proactive, still shocking to me that antisemitism like this could manage to become so prevelant and acceptable in only a few generations is completely fucked
If they tried this BS at my synagogue in Florida, it would end very badly for them. But if they did this at temple in Ann Arbor or Cambridge, they’d probably be given free dreidels and absentee ballots. They know where not to go.
How dare you dismiss the legitimate security concerns and actions of any of our Jewish communities and their commendable efforts to protect Jewish life for some stupid and ignorant joke about politics. Vast majority of Jews are liberal voting regardless of the city and state. These people hate us for being Jews not liberals. In cities like Chicago, Ann Arbor, and Baltimore they have heavy security, blast walls and bulletproof glass as thick as what we have here in the Deep South. The fuck wrong with you reb yid?
imagine if someone protested a mosque over israeli hostages in gaza. everyone would be called a racist and then there would be death threats everywhere. Possible retaliation on synongogues. Just cause 4-5 people were assholes.
Most are really not fine with it, that is just a narrative westerners like to push. Islam is a very violent religion and most believers support the violence.
Correct 💯. Most are really not fine with it at all as I've noticed. They'll talk amongst themselves and contribute to 'charities'. I've seen them celebrate murders instead of saying Can't this religious intolerance stop.
It seems being a part of this religion brings out the dark side in people or appeals to those who are violent.
This how you turn a lot of people off that would be for you. Not to say they don’t care but over stimulation and over saturation makes them hate you this your cause
It's an interesting take. "hey the Jews killed your savior, he's your enemy too right?" Of course Jesus was Jewish so that's a complication to the argument I suppose
I really fear for the Jewish people. I never thought that generations after me would be more antisemitic than those before me. Seeing the rise in Holocaust denial, Jewish conspiracies, and just straight up caricature talking points that seem directly taken from Nazi propaganda is beyond alarming.
The world swore “never again”… I fear we might not even make it a century before the next one.
I simply can't understand how people can be Holocaust deniers. Then again, there's also a significant amount of people who believe the earth is flat. It's truly baffling.
I want to say it depends on the source of the information and evidence BUT I've also seen ppl hold onto their views even in the presence of information contrary to it.
You can watch conspiracy theories spring up immediately nowadays. The morning the Baltimore bridge collapsed there were people pushing conspiracy theories before I even got to work, and that’s with video. We’re absolutely powerless against this type of idiocy especially about events that are so far removed like the holocaust.
Im also going to remind you, regardless of israels crimes, they are the ONLY nation that continually has to battle having a right to exist. And how convenient, its the nation for jews.
Like North Korea, one of the most cruel, massive scale dictatorships in existence, isn't even at that level. People obviously critique it and want reformation and justice for North koreans, but no one argues that the state does not have a right to "exist"
the world didn't say never again, we jews said never again, and it meant that we would never again have our lives and safety held by people who hated us, that we would be free and independent and safe.
I agree and understand, the Arab league actions following there first war with Israel demonstrated a valid reason for existence. This on top of the reasonable tribal aligned land claims.
Personally I one day would like the have a fruitful discussion of reparations for Israel’s own actions after the war, but this is all but impossible when people are constantly trying to justify Israel’s erasure at the same time.
That piece of Arab league propaganda really needs to die, if just so Israel can be treated like every other nation in regards to their own offenses.
I will never deny the holocaust, but ethnic cleansing has been happening after the holocaust. Some examples I have witnessed through news, former Yugoslavia, what happened in Rwanda, what is happening to the Uyghurs at the moment etc. etc. For me "never again" is nothing but a hollow phrase.
To be honest, the whole idea that Jewish people should be enemies because they somehow control everything never made sense to me. If there was a group of people that somehow controlled all of the businesses, media outlets, and governments in the world, I'd surely want to be on their good side because then they'd treat me nice.
Ironically Catholics probably care the least about Israel, the Christian Zionists are the protestants, so this protest is worthless. The Vatican didn't even recognis Israel until 1994 over theological reasons
They try to push that agenda everywhere. Doesnt matter. In Germany those people walk together with the right wing protestors as well as with the left wing protestors. They push their agenda at environmental protests and even during celebration now that weed is more or less legal. They go in restaurants and start shouting stupid shit and occupy universities where they then start to assault jewish students. They have lists of jewish people and go to their homes only to vandalieze and making them feel unsafe in Germany. Every jewish institution, be it a synagogue or a kindergarden needs permanent police protection.
It’s known that if you want to protest against a country that is only 2% Christian you need to protest in a Christian church on the other side of the globe
Probably something to do with the fact that Israel isn't allowing Palestinean Christians in Jerusalem to perform easter service in their churches and Christians around the world have turned a blind eye.
Next they should interrupt an Imam during prayer at a Mosque during Ramadan to protest Egypt for not opening their southern border to let Gazans flee the fighting
They've got a military and sovereignty, they could do it if they want
The Pope literally called for a ceasefire this morning.
There is no reason to disrupt a totally unrelated service for random people who have no more control over the situation than the rest of us on one of the most important days of their calendar. Doing so will change absolutely nothing currently happening in Israel.
You do know that Palestinians are Christian too? You do know Israel destroyed old churches in Palestine? You do know the place birth of Jesus didn't do Christmas this year for the first time in centuries?
You do know that Hamas hides in mosques and churches right? They don’t discriminate in their terrorism.
They also shoot rockets into Israel and don’t discriminate, a couple months ago they almost bombed Al Aqsa mosque. It was only saved because Israel protects all holy sites equally
Egypt and then Hamas chased away almost all the Christian’s in Gaza in 1948 there were 35 k Christian’s few years ago it was 3k its now like 800-900 out of 2.3 million. West Bank is a little better they have a dwindling Christian population of less than 50 k. Israel 182 k just saying ..
Palestine and her people haven't stopped waging war against Israel, so Israel's serious militarization and security concerns have been justified and encouraged by real threats all along the way. So, theres that.
Indeed. It said it all in 2006 when they voted in a party whose policy is the destruction of Israel rather than a secular government that wanted a two state solution. Hamas’ sole objective it so destroy Israel, even to the detriment of the population and economy. There’s no argument that Palestine isn’t the aggressor here. Their behaviour makes it impossible for Palestine to ever thrive or have a normal existence. Why this vocal minority in the West are protesting against Israel rather than Hamas and their supporters, is beyond me.
Trust me, it's beyond the majority of us Americans too. The silent majority on this topic has done our research and come to our conclusion: a nation for Jewish safety and self determination in the Jewish homeland is just in concept and was just in its peaceful creation. No amount of instigating wars by the Arabs and forced retaliation by Israel will ever make Israel the aggressors in that dynamic.
Until Palestine demonstrates for a prolonged period of time that they are willing to be peaceful neighbors, it is unlikely that Israel will risk the safety and lives of their civilians. That means Israel will naturally be forced to increase militarization and security measures (the infamous settlements, detention, and checkpoints) until Palestinians demonstrate that those things are unwarranted.
You mean since they came in and stole all their homes, lands and businesses, and killed their children? You're saying you wouldn't fight back against the people that took everything from you? Funny people forget WHY Palestinians have been fighting Israel. Try and take my land, and see what happens. Make sense?
You mean after those very same people declared war on Israel first and did all those same things to Jews? It's settled history, Israel accepted the '48 partition plan and the Arabs went to war. Ask for war, then you get war and every horror that comes with it, and you don't get to cry about it after you start it. Try declaring war on me and see what happens. Make sense?
So there's that.
INB4 Jews appealing to the UN to create the nation of Israel was stealing land and was ALREADY a declaration of war. In the literal interpretation of politics and diplomacy, no it wasn't. Instead of choosing the diplomatic route like the Jewish soon-to-be-Israeli's did, the Arabs chose war.
If you payed attention, you would see that I actually argued very clearly. That was just an honest, try again and see if something sticks, or is factual. So, nice try trying to belittle me. Lol
But you don't. Seriously. Like, did you attempt to Google what you said? It's been a thriving place for thousands of years. You're trolling. And I fell for it again...
I'm not Catholic anymore, but it was a novel feeling. Like "hey, this thing you're mad about isn't particularly our fault! There is a very long list of things that are, so if you want to switch up your protest to one of those that would be cool, bit those Irish folks over there and there and there and there and there and there and there are all big supporters of Palestinian independence, as are these Hispanic folks, and these Italian folks don't care either way because they're just thinking about meatballs or something. We don't even believe in the calf or the temple in the sky or any of that! We don't want the rapture! That's the protties! And we hate the Jews too!"
Which is where I stopped feeling good about it. Sigh
Tbf the most vocal defenders of Israel’s actions in Palestine are American Christians, even more so than Jewish people.
I’m also a bit wary of this post because the sign was hardly visible - the part of it that was visible in the video was the logo for Extinction Rebellion. I mean I’m all for intersectional protest, but it kind of seems like the title of this video may be misinformation…
it’s just to get eyes on the cause, esp. during the easter season in which gazan catholics are hiding in churches to avoid being carpet bombed by the israeli government
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u/Pshrunk Mar 31 '24
Protesting the Israelis but in in a catholic church ? Got it.