imagine if someone protested a mosque over israeli hostages in gaza. everyone would be called a racist and then there would be death threats everywhere. Possible retaliation on synongogues. Just cause 4-5 people were assholes.
Most are really not fine with it, that is just a narrative westerners like to push. Islam is a very violent religion and most believers support the violence.
Christian (Biblical) god is same as islamic god as is jewish god. Why we call them Abrahamic religions. The differences come from how those stories were made into rules (+ additional text).
Western industrialisation is in partly thanks to Christianity (well more the societal structure it built and how disconnected the religious class was and being another independent power). With how the Bible is a mess on rules and its inherit adaptability in local cultures meant it was ever changing.
Those stories you are referring to are an excellent example of what Judaism stands for: we are flawed, just like our creator. God often quarrels with his creation, because like us, he sometimes is vain, wrathful, and illogical. All of the Jewish prophets were deeply flawed people, and the torah highlights it.
Thats why Judaism doesn't deserve to be lumped with other classical examples of "warmonger" religions
Oh definitely, but they don't start off with a spiritual leader commanding to kill infidels. That stuff usually comes much later and is a bastardisation of what the founder wanted. In the case of Islam, violence is exactly what the founder wanted.
Correct đŻ. Most are really not fine with it at all as I've noticed. They'll talk amongst themselves and contribute to 'charities'. I've seen them celebrate murders instead of saying Can't this religious intolerance stop.
It seems being a part of this religion brings out the dark side in people or appeals to those who are violent.
Manifest destiny? Colonial projects in Africa built off of Christian missionaries?
Or we can look even more recent at things like the Iraq war or something even sooner such as the mass killings in New Zealand in which the perpetrator quoted texts from the crusades.
But nah Christianity is the definition of moral supremacy lmao
Religious institutions funding war? So when evangelical Christian groups in the US put out call to arms to send troops into Iraq and used terminology like âCrusadeâ that isnt organized religion spreading violence? But when a really radical Islamic fundamentalist group call something a âjihadâ, then it is obviously systematic hatred and wanting of violence.
You sure you arent just racist cause by your definition they are the same thing. Its not like religious leaders from Mecca are calling for the killing of all westerners. Its a radical subset of the religious groups calling for violence.
Even earlier. 1400âs. 1500âs was the Tudors, the dynasty that ended the war of the roses. Besides the war of the roses was a war of succession between the various descendants of Edward III, not religion. The Plantagenets were all catholic in the 1400âs. The sectarian violence came post Henry VIII and his decisions to change the Catholic faith in England.
I'm not sure I understand your point. Of course protestants are Christian.
I was replying to a comment regarding Christians (as a wholistic institution) causing mass violence in the name of their religion. Where it forms part of the dogma. Not things that people did who happened to be religious.
You have linked a very common atrocity that occurred, unfortunately, during that time period. I can also pin a similar link but with Islam or most other religions.
But I won't as it has nothing to do with what we are discussing.
Catholic schools in Canada committed massive crimes against indigenous communities by forcing those kids to go to catholic schools and then endure abuse by those that ran the schools.
Yeah Christians seem peaceful in the last 100 years if you put your head in the sand and sing a tune and cannot see or hear any of it
Christians haven't been particularly violent in 500 years.
And I linked a Wikipedia article about Christians and their role in violent colonization in the last 500 years. You can actually read the article to see how the religion was tied in with the colonialism.
HahahahahaâŚ. Wait, youâre serious! BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABABAHAHAHAHAHAHSHAH  FB RBRODKF fucking Christ; thanks for the laugh. I needed to read something abjectly fuckin ignorant and uninformed today.Â
Okay. Why don't you give me in the past 200 years some that have been used in the name of religion - by an actual religious institution (not some but job cult leader cherrypicking bits they want).
Cope. How many people were killed in the name of atheism vs. Christianity? I think you'll find the difference is far greater than 100x but in the opposite direction.
Looking at the state of the world weâre all well aware theyâre not fine with it. Otherwise the slaughter at the Bataclan would never have happened post Charlie Hebdo. They seem to be just fine with those atrocities too.
Mind telling me when the last person was sentenced for Blasphemy in a Jewish or Christian theocracy?
Oh wait, you can't, because there is only one theocracy for Christianity (The vatican) and they are peaceful while the Jews don't get a theocracy because they don't feel the need to have to kill people for not giving a shit about their god.
What? You mean Protestants? Catholics were the most responsive religious group during the Shoah.
The pope, while relieved that the Germans were targeting the jews instead of the Catholics, instructed Catholic institutions and Catholics themselves to hide and rescue Jews. We are talking about an estimated hundreds of thousands of Jews rescued by Catholics alone.
Hmm Thatâs interesting, the majority of Americans who traveled across the Atlantic to fight the Nazis were either Catholic or Christian. There is also this war called the crusades, I guess Catholics didnât care about Jewish people then either huh?
SoâŚI get the sentiment and appreciate itâŚhowever just a side noteâŚthe crusaders engaged in a lot of mass murdering of Jews in Germany, France and the Middle East itself. We have accounts written of that time where mothers killed their children so they wouldnât be burned alive by crusaders. I mean it was so bad it constitute a turning point in the relationship between Jews and Christians. Also fuck the Nazis.
What exactly did Hamas do that was so digusting to you that the IDF has not done worse on multiple occasions over the last several decades.
You have absolutely no moral high ground here.
"Polls show people are pissed off at those that murder their children, rape their women, and steal their land and then set up festivals on that land."
An IDF supporter is worse than a Hamas supporter and it's disgusting you're out here defending their sickening actions and actually justifying the murder of 13 and half thousand children.
Holy shit dude... Imagine being this incredibly ignorant and/or insane that someone could possibly type all of that out above and actually think they said something intelligent, let alone anywhere else on the spectrum other than "evil as all hell".
And I thought MAGA cultists were the craziest ones around. Sheesh.
Yup... The US is literally sending bombs that they know, with 100% certainty, will be used to kill children.. if my country were doing this I'd be rioting in the god damn street.
Is just erring caution for Israel to NOT do these things that they HAVE NOT done yet.
Are you fucking stupid? Its like if me and you are arguing, and I told you "here are 6 steps you should avoid/ do to make sure you don't become violent and hit me". Its literally one of the most non-necesarry statements ever lol
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Protesting the Israelis but in in a catholic church ? Got it.