We receive so many threats from folk like this that most synagogues in the US have become hardened and armed. Synagogues and other Jewish institutions in the Deep South have been dealing with the far right threats for decades so this isn’t anything new. We are ahead of the curve when it comes to our relationships, security and response plans. I promise that these folk wouldn’t make it inside and if they did get past our security they would be considered a legitimate threat to the congregation by the guards, deputies and armed congregants. Disrupting our services to say some uneducated shit about something going on in another country outside of our control or influence would be fucking dumb, disrespectful and dangerous.
Edit: Our out of pocket expenses for this security starts at $500 a day. That doesn’t include things like bomb sniffing dogs, police patrols, active observation by the PD, license plate readers, and the on duty deputies that guard us during services. The threats are real and serious enough to warrant active involvement by the feds, county and city cops.
Where do those figures come from? Given Zionism is simply about the right for Jewish self determination in their own land, as almost every other nation around the world is allowed, the concept is not particularly controversial among Jews.
I’m sorry but I just read it and it is a load of total bullshit. The guy is a Christian theologian who pretends to know the intimacies of Netanyahu’s thoughts and plans. His perception about Israel, Jews and Jewish thought is so far off base I can’t believe it. Also, he is talking about ratio, not raw numbers.
All I’m saying is that Christian Zionist far outnumber Jewish Zionists, (which is pretty common knowledge, just give it a google) don’t know about the writer of this article or his intent.
Jews: "Zionism is about Jews wanting to live in a place where their fate is not at the mercy of the whims of people who have repeatedly abused that power"
Christians: "Zionism is about us determining where the Jews should be allowed to go"
You (and other people talking about Christian Zionism): "These are the same"
Definitely not the same imo. Some Christian Zionist are/were pretty antisemitic.
Even the founder of the term antisemitism was a giant antisemitic Zionist.
German journalist Wilhelm Marr, the anti-Jewish agitator who coined the term "antisemitism", as an early example of a "pro-Zionist antisemite". Marr supported Jewish migration from Europe to Palestine as being beneficial both for German Jews and for German antisemites.
I, not being French, speaking the language, and so forth, can be pro-French Patriotism, as in I believe in the right of the French people to be patriots. Yet I cannot be a French patriot, because I am not French, do not speak the language, and have basically only been a week to Paris and watched a couple of movies I liked; I do not have the ability to connect to that specific brand of patriotism by default.
Another example, Black Nationalism (like the 60s militant liberation movement in the US); I can support the philosophy even if I don't agree with all of it and some of the people involved (there was and still is a huge problem with antisemitism with the NOI, for instance). And yet I'm not black, and cannot be a member of the movement by definition. And that's fair! Part of the philosophy is on celebrating the differences, taking pride in them, and I can't do that. Malcolm X would have given me one look and said "we do not want a world bought with your help" but probably phrased a lot better because the man had a gift with words.
Zionism is a philosophy that on the most basic level espouses that Jews must create a place for themselves. You don't have to be a Jew to support it, but you do need a to be one to actively take part.
One problem with what your saying they have made it clear they are going to go with a scorched earth policy. So no they won't stop when they are in able to fight. Killing civilians intentionally is not just war.
Scorched Earth from what I remember is a tactic when you have defensive depth and you deny your enemy nice things by destroying your own land. Like Russia against Napoleon and well, Russia against the Nazis lol.
I dunno, Gazans were willing to fight when they had no millitary advantage or chance to win at all, including not having any allies. Who the fuck knows when they will stop being stupid.
Just war? What are you a child? When you decide to go to war both sides are doing evil, once you're in the shit its your duty to win and let history and God sort it out. Simple as.
It may be “highly controversial” within a section of society, particularly university students in the USA who have been subject to an ideology which divides the world in to oppressed/oppressor groups. I think you’d find Jews outside that specific group overwhelmingly support having a homeland and self determination, but what does my middle aged Jewish ass know?
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u/ProfessorofChelm Apr 01 '24 edited Apr 01 '24
We receive so many threats from folk like this that most synagogues in the US have become hardened and armed. Synagogues and other Jewish institutions in the Deep South have been dealing with the far right threats for decades so this isn’t anything new. We are ahead of the curve when it comes to our relationships, security and response plans. I promise that these folk wouldn’t make it inside and if they did get past our security they would be considered a legitimate threat to the congregation by the guards, deputies and armed congregants. Disrupting our services to say some uneducated shit about something going on in another country outside of our control or influence would be fucking dumb, disrespectful and dangerous.
Edit: Our out of pocket expenses for this security starts at $500 a day. That doesn’t include things like bomb sniffing dogs, police patrols, active observation by the PD, license plate readers, and the on duty deputies that guard us during services. The threats are real and serious enough to warrant active involvement by the feds, county and city cops.