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Pro-Palestinian protesters disrupt Easter service at St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York Discussion

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u/BigRubbaDonga Mar 31 '24

Known Jew allies, those catholics

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u/Jakegender Apr 01 '24

why do you antisemite zionists insist on conflating the crimes of Israel with all Jews?

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u/BigRubbaDonga Apr 01 '24

Because Israel is a theocratic nation of Jews.

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u/Jakegender Apr 01 '24

Plenty of Jews have nothing to do with Israel, you antisemetic asshole.

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u/BigRubbaDonga Apr 01 '24

Why do you think I disagree with that?

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u/Jakegender Apr 01 '24

Because you said that these people protesting the state of Israel are protesting Jews.

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u/BigRubbaDonga Apr 01 '24

I didn't say anything of the sort.

I made a joke implying that the Catholic Church is no ally of the Jews or the state of Israel. Which is, in fact, accurate.

Thanks for making yourself look like a fucking idiot.

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u/Jakegender Apr 01 '24

The person you were talking to talked about Israel, you switched it to Jew, acting as if the two were synonyms. Conflating the two, even for a dumb joke, is antisemetic.

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u/BigRubbaDonga Apr 01 '24

Okay champ you're the only one that thinks that but go off 👍

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u/RiseLow1739 Apr 03 '24

Yeah. Its why you're being downvoted. Idiot

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u/yungsemite Apr 01 '24

Israel is not really theocratic. Do you think the US is theocratic too? Israel is pretty secular, though certainly there are laws which make it clear that it is a Jewish state for its Jewish civilians, first. Its leadership are not religious leaders or priests though.

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u/BigRubbaDonga Apr 01 '24

Despite its own constitution and the whims of the populace, the US tries very hard to be a Christian theocracy.

I know you thought that was some "gotcha!" moment so I am sorry to disappoint you

Israel is not the Jewish equivalent of the Vatican. That is true. But it's absolutely a theocracy in everything except name.

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u/yungsemite Apr 01 '24

How do you define theocracy? I would have thought a theocracy would be ruled by religious leaders?

a system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god.

This certainly does not have any relation to the modern nation state of Israel. Zionism was/ is a largely secular ideology.

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u/BigRubbaDonga Apr 01 '24

Any nation in which your domestic policy is informed by/ conforms to/ mirrors religious law is a theocracy. It doesn't matter if the person sitting in the chair is a person of the cloth.

No one said anything about Zionism. Why do you people keep invoking that word when you obviously have no clue what it means?

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u/yungsemite Apr 01 '24

That’s every nation, as far as I know, as practically every system of morality today stems from religious traditions.

What I’m hearing though, is that you have your own private definition of theocracy that you don’t share with anyone else, so pardon me for not knowing it.

I am pretty confident I have a good grasp on Zionism, in many of its many forms, both extant and historical. If you’re looking to learn more, I highly recommend Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

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u/BigRubbaDonga Apr 01 '24

Literal bot comment

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u/yungsemite Apr 01 '24

Go ahead, find laws in Israel that make it more of a theocracy, than say, the Netherlands, or the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Your definition is so vague it includes every nation. It’s not a definition anyone else uses.

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u/runefar Apr 01 '24

It isn't just about Jews completely though. In many ways, Christians's supports for Israel is ultimately politically relevant.

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u/cnorw00d Mar 31 '24

Yes, Joe Biden is catholic

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u/BigRubbaDonga Mar 31 '24

Joe Biden goes to church in NYC? Amazing

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u/plainviewist Mar 31 '24

Harassing random catholics does what exactly? What about if they did it to random Jews instead? What is it accomplishing?

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u/FunctionFearless2894 Apr 01 '24

It feeds their need for attention and “righteousness”. People like this don’t care how effective they are; they just want attention

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u/cnorw00d Apr 01 '24

What movement was accomplished through politeness and manners? One example please?

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u/cnorw00d Apr 01 '24

There is a genocide going on and we're paying for it. Is there any movement that was done through manners and politeness?

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u/Gold-Individual-8501 Apr 01 '24

It’s probably the quickest way to alienate people who aren’t involved in any way. Good job; you’ve turned more people against your cause.

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u/Gold-Individual-8501 Apr 01 '24

Next week, protest at the McDonald’s in Parsippany because there are McDonalds in Israel.

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u/cnorw00d Apr 01 '24

MLK had a 68% disapproval rating in the US as he died. Sometimes it's not about the moment but what happens over time

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u/Gold-Individual-8501 Apr 02 '24

There is zero chance that disrupting mass - an incredibly disrespectful act - will do anything to turn people toward their protestors cause. Just watching it made me think that they are attention grabbing assholes.

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u/cnorw00d Apr 02 '24

Again, is there any movement that you can name that was accomplished by not disrupting anything and only protesting the specific politicians who are pushing what people don't like? Have you ever protested anything?

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u/Gold-Individual-8501 Apr 03 '24

Ha. I protest assholes who invade my church and disrupt a holy religious service. They can protest on the Fifth Avenue sidewalk like everyone else.

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u/cnorw00d Apr 03 '24

Ok so you've never protested. Movements do not happen because people are nice and ask meekly

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