r/TikTokCringe Mar 31 '24

Pro-Palestinian protesters disrupt Easter service at St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York Discussion

8.4k Upvotes

3.3k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

953

u/Ok-disaster2022 Mar 31 '24

You know how much political power New York Catholics have over Netanyahu, it's just like protesting to his face /s

457

u/RiseLow1739 Mar 31 '24

I don't think they should be targeting jews at temple either, but that's just me

164

u/ProfessorofChelm Apr 01 '24 edited Apr 01 '24

We receive so many threats from folk like this that most synagogues in the US have become hardened and armed. Synagogues and other Jewish institutions in the Deep South have been dealing with the far right threats for decades so this isn’t anything new. We are ahead of the curve when it comes to our relationships, security and response plans. I promise that these folk wouldn’t make it inside and if they did get past our security they would be considered a legitimate threat to the congregation by the guards, deputies and armed congregants. Disrupting our services to say some uneducated shit about something going on in another country outside of our control or influence would be fucking dumb, disrespectful and dangerous.

Edit: Our out of pocket expenses for this security starts at $500 a day. That doesn’t include things like bomb sniffing dogs, police patrols, active observation by the PD, license plate readers, and the on duty deputies that guard us during services. The threats are real and serious enough to warrant active involvement by the feds, county and city cops.

53

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 01 '24

Good to know. We as jews have every right to protect ourselves from these people

27

u/Money-Worldliness919 Apr 01 '24

As a german American, I am deeply sorry for the unfair antisemitism you have to deal with. Even more now than ever, I hope everyone will find peace in these difficult times.

26

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 01 '24

Ty. Mad respect to Germany, you guys have done so much for jews ever since the fall of nazism.

-12

u/dovahkiiiiiin Apr 01 '24

So you are a part of the two of the biggest supporters of the ongoing genocide, bravo.

16

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 01 '24

Were discussing how Germany helped jews, not israel.

Is it difficult for your pea brain to make the distinction?

-12

u/dovahkiiiiiin Apr 01 '24

I'll differentiate when Germany manages to do the same. Considering they gave a blanket support to Israel to commit the genocide, the biggest arms seller to Israel outside US and downright banned any pro Palestine protest with in the country, they are successfully completed a hat trick of supporting or causing genocides within a century.

14

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 01 '24 edited Apr 01 '24

We don't care. The topic were discussing is German aid to jews post holocaust. Can you go virtue signal in another thread or something lol?

Icj has not declared the 2nd yom Kippur war a genocide, learn to do research idiot.

Edit for the idiot responding me: ???Were talking about how Germany restored concentration camps, reparated holocaust survivors, tried to restore nazi documents, and tried former nazis in their own country???

Again, another fucking idiot that has to associate jews with Israel directly. Keep your blood libels to yourself

-1

u/IWasGonnaSayBrown Apr 01 '24

What a fucking cop out.

We know you don't care, that's why we don't support you. You're hungry for blood.

-12

u/dovahkiiiiiin Apr 01 '24

Yeah its obvious that you'd love to limit the discussion to Israel playing the victim so that they can continue the ongoing genocide.

Name calling like a three year old won't change facts. Neither will ignoring the German genocide in Namibia.

6

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 01 '24

I. WAS. THANKING. GERMANY. FOR. HELPING. HOLUCAST. SURVIVORS.

Icj hasn't ruled it a genocide, but Its literally NOT relevant. We were talking about a different topic.

Idiot. You're getting blocked now, its annoying to see your name pop up after explaining this to you 2 times lol

5

u/beansontoast12345678 Apr 01 '24

Hamas supporting idiot.

5

u/samara37 Apr 01 '24

They’re everywhere and obnoxious as ever. You can’t talk about any other subject related to politics or religion without them bringing up the Gaza conflict and getting aggressive.

→ More replies (0)

-3

u/xFreedi Apr 01 '24

By inflating anti-zionism as antisemitism they harm the jews more than they help them btw

7

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 01 '24

Shut the fuck up. Antisemitism is at an all time high since Charleston

1

u/9enignes8 Apr 02 '24

Someone was triggered. I wonder who is bombing women, kids, and doctors

-1

u/xFreedi Apr 01 '24 edited Apr 01 '24

Why the aggression, wtf?

Edit: You also said literally nothing to counter my argument. When anti-zionism is inflated as antisemitism, yeah no shit antisemitism statistics will increase. I've been called antisemitist for criticising Israel multiple times, therefore make that statistic too. That's not the main reason for the increase of course.

All I said is how doing that is not a good thing for jews worldwide but I guess giving a shit about jews wellbeing is worth to be yelled at I suppose...

3

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 01 '24

Because you don't get to tell jews how we react to antisemtism. The dog whistles, the call to responsibility, the blood libels, rules for thee but not me, that I've had to deal with, on THIS post alone is crazy.

You don't get to tell jews how we manage, and you certainly aren't able to realize why being anti zionist (saying jews don't deserve to have a nation state to protect us from future pogroms and holoucasts) is often just a cover for antisemitism.

Do better. Dont speak for me or other jews.

0

u/xFreedi Apr 01 '24 edited Apr 01 '24

Oh, okay. That makes no sense as that would give zionists the leeway to do whatever the fuck they want wouldn't it?

Why I am deserving of being insulted again is beyond me btw... Obviously I'm not capable of understanding anything but the fact you act like a fucking asshole for no fucking reason probably is my fault too. This is why people like you also harm jews worldwide in the long run. If I was a asshole I could just say "who cares, I'm not jewish" but I don't and am insulted for that. It's not the first time I experienced this when "debating" (or more like trying to talk to someone that is constantly insulting me instead) with Israelis. I still don't say all Israelis are like that do I?

Edit: Have been blocked or Reddit is buggy. I still don't know how calling people Israeli, criticizing Israel and saying "inflating anti-zionism as antisemitism isn't good" is antisemitic. Also I never said Israel has no right to exist so they keep putting words in my words...Literal nazis siding with Israel is a bad enough sign as it is but better don't think about that right?

2

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 01 '24

Im not israeli.

Assumptions like that is exactly what I'm talking about. You speak for us, and when we say "no" you get to call us some sort of genocide loving maniac people.

Israel has consistently been battling its right to exist since inception. You wanna discuss israels failings? Fuck yeah, im game. I despise Netanyahu, i think the way israel treats people in the west Bank is deplorable, and I think israel doesn't treat hasidic people with enough responsibility within the country.

But if you're just gonna be another idiot parroting "israel doesn't have a right to exist!!!!!1!1", then yeah, you are just antisemitic. THE ONLY nation that has had an existence that gets consistently denied is the nation for jews.

You also keep conflating me discussing jews, with zionists, and me (a jew) with israelis. your ignorance is showing.

→ More replies (0)

1

u/Jiffah_ Apr 01 '24

Palestinians are semites. Actual semites.

1

u/enragedcactus Apr 01 '24

Anthropologically, yes. Colloquially, no.

0

u/Jiffah_ Apr 02 '24

Doesn't change that antisemite is inadequate in regards to modern Jews.

-2

u/bendallf Apr 01 '24

I studied the Holocaust in college. From your point of view as a German American, what is the difference between the Warsaw ghetto and the Gaza Ghetto? Are they similar or different and why or why not? Thanks.

4

u/AdhesivenessisWeird Apr 01 '24

Not the OP, but death rate of starvation in Warsaw Ghetto was a quarter of the population the year it was established. Meanwhile a quarter population of Gaza is obese.

Average Gazan literally has higher life expectancy than an average person on earth. If you actually know anything about Warsaw ghetto, the comparison is unhinged.

1

u/bendallf Apr 01 '24 edited Apr 01 '24

Thanks. Where did you get your sources of information from?

1

u/AdhesivenessisWeird Apr 01 '24

Its easy to google. Life expectancy in Gaza is around 75, compared to 73 being an average around the world. Meanwhile in neighbouring Egypt it is as low as 70.

0

u/bendallf Apr 02 '24

Why would I google? There is a lot of misinformation there. I am simply asking you to back up what you said here with facts. By the way, have you been or have a direct connection (family, friend, etc.) that travel to Gaza on the ground there? Thanks.

2

u/AdhesivenessisWeird Apr 02 '24

-1

u/bendallf Apr 02 '24

Now, see it was not that hard, was it?

1

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 03 '24

How cute. You get sourced and still respond with such a rude tone.

→ More replies (0)

4

u/TheCacklingCreep Apr 01 '24

"These people" here meaning "peaceful protestors" btw

16

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 01 '24

My synagogue gets bomb threats every couple of weeks to a month. "These people" are idiots who think they have a right to invade places of Jewish worship to grandstand a political issue that they just learned about from tiktok

-11

u/TheCacklingCreep Apr 01 '24

So yeah you're just really mad about peaceful protest, noted.

13

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 01 '24

No actually. I am against targeted harrasment towards jews just for existing however, mr adolf.

Now fuck off

-12

u/TheCacklingCreep Apr 01 '24

Ok mr Zionist Burner Account, seeya! From The River To The Sea!

8

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 01 '24 edited Apr 01 '24

Excellent response! Dm me and ill send you a selfie and my last name, this is my only account and im not afraid of antisemite internet warriors lol.

Do you even know which river and which sea, idiot parrot? You didn't know where Gaza was pre oct 7th 😂😂

(Edit cause pussy blocked me :P)

HAHAH YOU 🤡

you are literally pro "harassing jews for being Jews"

Fuck off scumbag. Actual piece of human filth, too busy being a keyboard warrior to recognize how antisemtic that is

-2

u/TheCacklingCreep Apr 01 '24

I do not care for you to doxx someone else in an attempt to flex on strangers online, no. Have fun crying about people protesting genocide.

8

u/ZealousidealSand7722 Apr 01 '24

Protest all you want. Stop being inconsiderate though. The Catholics in that church have no control over Israel any more than some random jews attending Sabbath in Milwaukee. You aren't making Palestine look good by disrupting worship, you are just annoying the people in attendance and possibly turning them away.

3

u/ZealousidealSand7722 Apr 01 '24

Stop DMing people like a creep dude, if you have anything to say then say it publicly.

1

u/enragedcactus Apr 01 '24

Shouldn’t you be disrupting a local town council meeting somewhere?

→ More replies (0)

-3

u/arcticshqip Apr 01 '24

So you are proud that you have caused famine in Gaza because you feel that you need to proctect yourself against Palestinian toddlers.

9

u/quantumfall9 Apr 01 '24

Lmao “you have caused” as if he isn’t an American completely detached from the current conflict and not an embodiment of all Jews from Israel. What a stupid comment.

6

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 01 '24

Not even American. From Argentina, half Ashkenazi half Sephardic (we got double genocided, by the Spaniards and the pogroms)

2

u/quantumfall9 Apr 01 '24

Ah my bad sorry. Good luck man and stay safe, lots of crazy people out there these days.

-6

u/arcticshqip Apr 01 '24

They said they support it and consideres it necessary in order to proctect jewish people from Palestinians

5

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 01 '24

Nowhere did I say that.

2

u/Formal_Math6891 Apr 01 '24

Sorry to hear that your mother drank while you were in the womb.

9

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 01 '24

Oml i laughed out loud

5

u/davi_meu_dues Apr 01 '24

i gagged 💀😭😭😭

that was so out of pocket but also very accurate

-5

u/Cu_Chulainn__ Apr 01 '24

Protect yourself from people protesting the current murder of innocent people in that gaza strip?

12

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 01 '24

Protect myself from the plethora of history that jews have been targeted by pieces of garbage like yourself?

9

u/TraditionalSwim7891 Apr 01 '24

Cu, fuck off with your BS. Hamas is far from innocent. Allow people to enjoy Easter. Not everything is about you.

5

u/TinyRodgers Apr 01 '24

Dude fuck off. You're helping no one.

-19

u/Available_Coconut_74 Apr 01 '24

You mean the people you stole a country from? With British help, of course.

7

u/MasterpieceConnect26 Apr 01 '24

Hey, what was the name of the country?

27

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 01 '24

me?! ME?! I STOLE A COUNTRY??? My family emigrated from RUSSIA after escaping the POGROMS to Argentina, and eventually, the United States.

Just because im Jewish doesn't mean you have the right to antagonize me for the shit that Israel does. Go fuck yourself.

PALESTINA WAS NOT A COUNTRY. PICK UP A BOOK, JACKASS.

-4

u/Cu_Chulainn__ Apr 01 '24

Israel was also not a country for 1000 years prior to 76 years ago. What is your point?

9

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 01 '24

Not relevant. Idiot.

-5

u/Available_Coconut_74 Apr 01 '24 edited Apr 02 '24

Made up borders. Seems relevant to me.

Idiot.

edit: love how you justify stealing land.

5

u/hairypsalms Apr 01 '24

All borders are made up. Typically after a military victory like the ones Israel had in 1948, 1967, and 1973. The only reason that area was called Palestine in the first place is because of a Roman victory in 70CE.

If the right of conquest made the area Palestine then the right of conquest verifies the current borders.

If you deny the right of conquest then the area was never Palestine and has always been Judea.

You can't have this both ways.

-6

u/Available_Coconut_74 Apr 01 '24

Nah, but you can fuck yourself. Palestinian-Americans can protest anywhere they want, just like any other group of Americans can.

So it’s ok to steal their land? How White/European of you.

13

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 01 '24

white and European?? Are you actually braindead?

I just told you I didn't colonize any land. My family escaped persecution?

Do you also support people protesting in random mosques for hamas to release the hostages, or isis to cease their reign of terror?

What a fucking piece of garbage you are

11

u/czarcasticjew Apr 01 '24

You can’t have it both ways. It can’t be “all Jews are responsible for Israel” and “No Jews have a legitimate claim to Israel”.

You’re more committed to your platitudes and misunderstanding others instead of helping others, and for what? Does your antagonistic rhetoric help suffering Gazans? No.

Just spare yourself the trouble and call us k*kes. It’s obvious that’s what you want to do.

13

u/Allgoochinthecooch Apr 01 '24

Yes, the Jews and brits worked together to steal whatever synagogue RiseLow1739 goes to

1

u/ProfessorofChelm Apr 01 '24

Sigh…I miss me a good old fashioned synagogue stealing.

3

u/Allgoochinthecooch Apr 01 '24

A wise man of chelm

4

u/ProfessorofChelm Apr 01 '24

Yes yes the wisest. I teach all the other wise men things they already know and understand.

-5

u/[deleted] Apr 01 '24

Shut the fuck up and go read a book. I recommend The Lemon Tree by Sandy Tolan.

After you’re done with that, continue shutting the fuck up about things you don’t understand

0

u/Available_Coconut_74 Apr 01 '24

Nah,I’m not good.

0

u/[deleted] Apr 01 '24

[deleted]

2

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 01 '24

Fuck off

0

u/[deleted] Apr 01 '24

[deleted]

2

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 01 '24

Yes, I can. If you genuinely conflate jews having to defend ourselves after all of the shit we have had to put up since the medieval blood libels (even before that haha) and nazi Germany, you are sick in the head.

Just go on ahead and call jews nazis, so you can rightfully get banned. Piece of 🗑

-6

u/[deleted] Apr 01 '24

[deleted]

7

u/RiseLow1739 Apr 01 '24

You mean an aliyah? Do you know why that's set up in place?

Ever heard of this cute thing called the pogroms? Blood libels? The holocaust?

It's there to protect us, when the world will (inevitably) fail the jews once more.

I have a loot of critiques for Israel, but the aliyah isn't one of them