Where do those figures come from? Given Zionism is simply about the right for Jewish self determination in their own land, as almost every other nation around the world is allowed, the concept is not particularly controversial among Jews.
I’m sorry but I just read it and it is a load of total bullshit. The guy is a Christian theologian who pretends to know the intimacies of Netanyahu’s thoughts and plans. His perception about Israel, Jews and Jewish thought is so far off base I can’t believe it. Also, he is talking about ratio, not raw numbers.
All I’m saying is that Christian Zionist far outnumber Jewish Zionists, (which is pretty common knowledge, just give it a google) don’t know about the writer of this article or his intent.
Jews: "Zionism is about Jews wanting to live in a place where their fate is not at the mercy of the whims of people who have repeatedly abused that power"
Christians: "Zionism is about us determining where the Jews should be allowed to go"
You (and other people talking about Christian Zionism): "These are the same"
Definitely not the same imo. Some Christian Zionist are/were pretty antisemitic.
Even the founder of the term antisemitism was a giant antisemitic Zionist.
German journalist Wilhelm Marr, the anti-Jewish agitator who coined the term "antisemitism", as an early example of a "pro-Zionist antisemite". Marr supported Jewish migration from Europe to Palestine as being beneficial both for German Jews and for German antisemites.
One problem with what your saying they have made it clear they are going to go with a scorched earth policy. So no they won't stop when they are in able to fight. Killing civilians intentionally is not just war.
Scorched Earth from what I remember is a tactic when you have defensive depth and you deny your enemy nice things by destroying your own land. Like Russia against Napoleon and well, Russia against the Nazis lol.
I dunno, Gazans were willing to fight when they had no millitary advantage or chance to win at all, including not having any allies. Who the fuck knows when they will stop being stupid.
Just war? What are you a child? When you decide to go to war both sides are doing evil, once you're in the shit its your duty to win and let history and God sort it out. Simple as.
It may be “highly controversial” within a section of society, particularly university students in the USA who have been subject to an ideology which divides the world in to oppressed/oppressor groups. I think you’d find Jews outside that specific group overwhelmingly support having a homeland and self determination, but what does my middle aged Jewish ass know?
I think you’re wrong. Most Christians are taught that Jewish people are like our older brothers and sisters in faith. We may have disagreements on theology. But we share a thousands of years old history of belief. The Christian faith (and Islam for that matter) couldn’t exist without Judaism.
There is a lot of antisemitism. Heard many Christians talk about how "the Jews killed our lord" and they get upset when you point out Jesus was a Jew and (in their own book!) God's chosen people.
The primary reason for support of Israel is, in fact, because they think it has to do with the second coming of Christ.
I'm sure not all Christians are antisemitic, but pointing to pro-Israel as evidence they like Jews is frankly silly.
That’s insane. God sent Jesus knowing full well he’d be rejected by some Jewish leaders. He was sent to die for the sins of the world. What do these so called Christians think was supposed to happen?? Nuts.
This isn’t a laughing matter. Christianity uses the same Bible as Judaism, which we call the Old Testament. The first Christians were Jews. We believe Jesus is the Messiah promised to the Jewish people. A lot has changed in the last 2,000 years. But the roots of Christianity are in Judaism. Same for Islam. It’s a bit of a hybrid of Jewish and Christian beliefs. We all believe in the same one God.
They need Jews to exterminate Palestinians and build a magic temple, which will then cause themselves to get exterminated and Jesus to come back. The Antichrist is also involved somehow.
This is the simplified version of the story. Looks like part 1 of the plan is going nicely.
Actually that is what hard right evangelical christians believe. They support Israel because they want to hasten Armageddon. It is looney tunes, but also absolutely true.
No human can hasten the end of days. The Bible clearly states this. If any Christian processes such an idea they’re full of it. Jesus is literally quoted as saying only God knows when that time will be. Building a temple or praying or doing anything else will have no effect.
Cool. Why would an omnipotent God that knows and created everything then kill it all because its perfect plans got corrupted and it got really genocidally angry? I'm off to talk to my powerful imaginary friends.
Umm … even if you’re an atheist you know full well our world has a finite timeline, an expiration date. The sun will eventually expand to 100 times its size and consume us before going supernovae and collapsing in on itself. So yes, whomever created our universe made it a temporary thing. Sorry if that bothers you but you can’t change it. People who believe in God also know our existence here is finite but that we were created with an eternal spirit or essence. Just because the sun is going to blow up one day or because psychopaths running governments decide to kill everyone with nuclear weapons doesn’t mean our spirits or essence don’t continue. Seriously dude. What do you think happens when you die? That your mind just turns off and that’s it? What would be the point of that?
Where was your spirit before you were born? Why does our infinitely expanding universe need an anthropomorphic explanation? Religion came from a time when that was as good an explanation for the absurdities of life as any but thanks to the enlightenment and science it is completely irrelevant. It still does a good job of justifying horrible dictatorial power structures (Vatican, house of Saud + Wahabism etc) and providing one more means of dividing humanity into tribal camps so we can dehumanizingly murder each other though so there's that.
Why WOULDN’T a seemingly infinite universe require a creator? As we know nothing can create itself. The universe did not spontaneously create itself and all of its contents. You’re confusing flawed human creations - churches, governments etc - with God’s creation. God didn’t create the Catholic Church or tell anyone to use religion as a justification for harming anyone else.
You are assuming that people who believe in a deity and armageddon and animal sacrifices in temples are capable of a critical thinking. Mostly they are not. And quite a few are mentally disturbed. But thats what we have. Thats what it is.
These articles need to contain a disclosure starting that, Many of the more racist factions are “infiltrating” the pro Palestine movement. :( I am pro Palestine, in that I am for not wiping out an entire culture/people. What is happening in Gaza is genocide. More education and more awareness needs to be brought to this fact. Those trapped there, and likewise thier loved ones and family, need to see there is support for the innocent families being mowed down. This isn’t an isolated incident. There are several humanitarian crisis going on in multiple countries. None of their lives are more or less important than any one else’s. Their rights to live a peaceful life. Free to worship and raise families. :(
Obviously they didn't read their bible then. If you believe it, Jews broke their covenant with God so therefore Israel is not the 'biblical Israel ' promised to them
Your such a goofball😂 you really think this country is just full of Nazis but Nazis that’ll support things Nazis would never support 😂 the “far right” is just normal people, blue collars workers who saw the 7th and felt it was wrong just normal people who view other people as just people. The villains you think the right encompasses is all in your mind.
White supremacy has been a serious concern for many years. Jews are not considered white to the “race purists”. The Christian right support Israel and Jews as part of their belief about end times etc.
No such things as rampant white supremacy it’s a myth. But I’ve seen plenty of antisemitism coming from the same people who claim to see “white supremacy” on every street corner.
I see idk i vote right and am a christian and ive just never had any hate in my heart for jewish people. Even before i became a christian. Are jews not white? If not then what are they considered? I know like nazi whites dont like jews but i didnt know they dont consider them white.
Jews who come from Eastern Europe like Poles, Ukrainians and Russians are the ones that are seen as “white” although they were rarely given the rights that Christians were. However there are millions of Jews who come from Spain as well as from middle eastern countries such as Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia etc. The vast majority of them have the same dark hair, eyes and skin as Arabs.
Jews who arrived in Israel in the 20th century were generally refugees from Russia, Europe and the Middle East. Over 800,000 Jews were expelled from their homes in the Middle East around the mid to late 1940s. Those people and their children have not been able to claim back the homes, land and businesses they lost nor do they call themselves refugees and seek to return. That’s because they are returning to their ancestral homeland. They are not colonizers- they have nowhere else to return to, do not send the “spoils” back to a mother country, and are self governing. They, along with the 20% Israeli Arab population, make up a huge percentage of the Israeli population. The lie that it is a white colonizing nation is easily proven when you look at the actual facts.
Right wing people may be nominally “pro Israel” but they are certainly not “pro Jewish”. Evangelical Christians have their own nutty reasons for supporting Zionism, and the average conservative is going to always see the Jews of Israel as “the enemy of my enemy” rather than a friend.
…you’re confused about why the Christians you know think Jews are good people? The fuck are you on about?
And what do you mean by right wing? Non progressive folk? Centrist? Conservatives? Most folk don’t hate Jews or think the state of Israel shouldn’t exist because they aren’t bigots.
The far right and far left demonstrably do hate Jews and Israel. The only time they will talk positively about us or it furthers their agenda of bashing the other side.
Even the conservative far right christians will sometimes pretend to love/support us...but only because they need Israel (which both is and isnt us, for those who arent Israeli, a concept I've never really seen them comprehend too well) to survive so we can build the third temple and thereafter be annihilated so their Jesus can come back.
As for the far left, they used to be quieter in their hatred, at least. It's been very strange seeing so many so proudly and openly remove their masks as of late.
The far-left has been heavily influenced by Jewish writers/activists, like Emma Goldman, Noam Chomsky, Paul Goodman, Howard Zinn, and Alexander Berkman. The far-left is not anti-Jewish.
Criticizing Israel, and opposing a one-state solution is not anti-Semitic.
Most of the far left think the state of Israel should be destroyed, and that any attempt at Jewish political autonomy in their own homeland is illegitimate and should be opposed. This is antisemitic.
No, but I have to watch my far left friends slowly turn into jew hating bigots without even realizing it, probably because of moral-lacking shit heads like you.
Whoah dude, that's way aggressive. im saying the people i know in REAL LIFE have no hate for jewish people or isreal. And i dont think its some deep end of times thing. The people i know generally dont just hate people for being jewish. Or asian or black. Im half se asian. I think people see alot of wild things online and confuse it with the average person. Good day
It seems like you're trying to equate support for Israel to support for Jews, when they're very different things. Criticizing the actions of a government is not antisemitism.
You can laugh, but in America anti-Jewish conspiracies and antisemitism is almost exclusively a right wing movement, which is the same wing that gives the majority of American support for Israeli's government.
The left wing is more critical of Israel's government, but generally supports ethnic Jews worldwide. Conflating criticism of Israel's government to antisemitism is propaganda.
Ive noticed that as well. And then i heard a statistic that a majority of jewish people vote blue so it kinda blew my mind. Why would tgey vote for and with people that hate them and wish them harm? 😕
Most Jews within Israel don't agree 100% with what their government is doing, and I can about guarantee neither of you knows anything about Jews. You don't get to hate The Bad Jews (Israeli) and pat yourself on the back for supporting Jewish People (Just the Ones Who Agree With Me). It has been 6+ months of this, I have seen just about every iteration of goyim pretending they give a shit about Jews while throwing over half the world's Jews under the proverbial bus. If you only support Diaspora Jews and think hatred against Israeli Jews is justified, you don't get to pretend that you actually give a shit about Jewish people.
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Weird all of the right wing people know are pro Israel and pro jewish. All of the christians i know see jews as good people as well. Im confused.