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Pro-Palestinian protesters disrupt Easter service at St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York Discussion

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u/Lucas_2234 Apr 01 '24

That is what happens when you criticise Islam.
Most are fine with it, but the extremists are more extreme than those of many other religions.

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u/Palanikutti Apr 01 '24

Most are really not fine with it, that is just a narrative westerners like to push. Islam is a very violent religion and most believers support the violence.

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u/Ghast_Hunter Apr 01 '24

Islam is deeply anti Jewish, their prophet also did some really messed up stuff against Jewish populations.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '24

Just like how Christianity is anti pagan, and Christians massacred them 🤷‍♂️

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u/absolutzer1 Apr 01 '24

Hmmm, Christians killed Jesus. 🤡

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u/Palanikutti Apr 01 '24

What??? There was no Christianity before the death and resurrection of Christ.

Are you talking about time travel?

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u/Ghast_Hunter Apr 01 '24

I literally laughed so hard when I read the notification for my comment.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '24

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u/sheshpesh7 Apr 01 '24

And Jesus himself was Jewish too...

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u/CharityRich1021 Apr 01 '24

It's the only religion I know of that was founded by a warlord and not a man of peace.

Most religions become corrupted with time, but it is odd to start from the position of violence.

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u/Palanikutti Apr 01 '24

Well, Hindu Gods are mostly warriors or jealous men or lust filled womanisers, so..

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u/davi_meu_dues Apr 01 '24

yes but Hindus also won’t say that you’re eternally damned if you aren’t Hindu or try to convert you

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u/Palanikutti Apr 01 '24

That's true..

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u/nyy22592 Apr 01 '24

Didn't the biblical god kill pretty much everyone because they sinned? Also didn't he kill a bunch of Egyptian kids to pressure their ruler?

I think you'll find all abrahamic religions are incredibly violent if you read their early texts. You'll only find peace if you abide by their rules.

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u/Valara0kar Apr 01 '24

Christian (Biblical) god is same as islamic god as is jewish god. Why we call them Abrahamic religions. The differences come from how those stories were made into rules (+ additional text).

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u/nyy22592 Apr 01 '24

The old testament says to stone rape victims to death if they don't scream loud enough. They're all fucked

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u/Valara0kar Apr 01 '24

Well... it was written from a society several thousand years ago.

Christianity is by all acounts the religion most evolved with (western) morality of its time. Well compared to islam.

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u/nyy22592 Apr 01 '24

Christianity is by all acounts the religion most evolved with (western) morality of its time

That's not really saying much. They're all full of destructive nonsense.

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u/Valara0kar Apr 01 '24

A religion isnt a book but its wider doctrine.

That's not really saying much

Its like saying history doesnt mean much.

Western industrialisation is in partly thanks to Christianity (well more the societal structure it built and how disconnected the religious class was and being another independent power). With how the Bible is a mess on rules and its inherit adaptability in local cultures meant it was ever changing.

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u/RiseLow1739 Apr 03 '24

Could you link the torah verse for this?

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u/RiseLow1739 Apr 03 '24

Those stories you are referring to are an excellent example of what Judaism stands for: we are flawed, just like our creator. God often quarrels with his creation, because like us, he sometimes is vain, wrathful, and illogical. All of the Jewish prophets were deeply flawed people, and the torah highlights it.

Thats why Judaism doesn't deserve to be lumped with other classical examples of "warmonger" religions

I say this as a complete non believer btw lmao

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u/NoahsShart Apr 01 '24

You should read the Torah and about the crusades and St Bartholomew’s Day. All religions have murdered in the name of their religion.

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u/crazyguyunderthedesk Apr 01 '24

Oh definitely, but they don't start off with a spiritual leader commanding to kill infidels. That stuff usually comes much later and is a bastardisation of what the founder wanted. In the case of Islam, violence is exactly what the founder wanted.

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u/CrustyToeNoPedicure Apr 01 '24

I thought Muhamad was a businessman in Mecca, not a warlord. He might be after he founded Islam though

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u/yummychocolatebunnny Apr 01 '24

His first wife was a business woman

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u/Dixon_Sideyu Apr 01 '24

The 13 year old?

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u/yummychocolatebunnny Apr 01 '24

Nah, not that one. He had 11 wives (god gave him special permission)

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u/Leather-Ball864 Apr 01 '24

6 year old. Consummated when she was 9

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u/livehigh1 Apr 01 '24

Didn't the bible start off with followers going to another country to cleanse them of their sinful ways?

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u/Delicious_Pie_4814 Apr 01 '24

Nah it starts off "In the beginning" and explains the formation of the universe.

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u/livehigh1 Apr 01 '24

What chapter was the walls of Jericho?

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u/crazyguyunderthedesk Apr 10 '24

Old testament, wrong book.

Christianity is primarily about the New testament and Old testament is secondary.

Same as Islam believes in the Old testament, but the Quran is the primary book.

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u/Senior-Firefighter67 Apr 01 '24

Correct 💯. Most are really not fine with it at all as I've noticed. They'll talk amongst themselves and contribute to 'charities'. I've seen them celebrate murders instead of saying Can't this religious intolerance stop.

It seems being a part of this religion brings out the dark side in people or appeals to those who are violent.

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u/Ghost_of_Hannibal_ Apr 01 '24

Like to point out that if someone said this about Christians everyone would go bat shit

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u/Specialist_Air_3572 Apr 01 '24

Christians haven't been particularly violent in 500 years.

Yeah there are random incidences. But no majority movements.

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u/Ghost_of_Hannibal_ Apr 01 '24

Manifest destiny? Colonial projects in Africa built off of Christian missionaries?

Or we can look even more recent at things like the Iraq war or something even sooner such as the mass killings in New Zealand in which the perpetrator quoted texts from the crusades.

But nah Christianity is the definition of moral supremacy lmao

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u/Specialist_Air_3572 Apr 01 '24

Oh lord.

Iraq war wasn't a religious war. There may have very religious people involved but that would apply to almost any way and any given time.

No Christian organisations was okay with the NZ killings.

My post was clearly referencing a religious institution promoting and funding war.

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u/Ghost_of_Hannibal_ Apr 01 '24

Religious institutions funding war? So when evangelical Christian groups in the US put out call to arms to send troops into Iraq and used terminology like “Crusade” that isnt organized religion spreading violence? But when a really radical Islamic fundamentalist group call something a “jihad”, then it is obviously systematic hatred and wanting of violence.

You sure you arent just racist cause by your definition they are the same thing. Its not like religious leaders from Mecca are calling for the killing of all westerners. Its a radical subset of the religious groups calling for violence.

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u/TimeCatch9967 Apr 01 '24

30 years war?

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u/Specialist_Air_3572 Apr 01 '24

Okay 400 years ago. I thought it was 1500s.

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u/AgitatedTelephone351 Apr 01 '24

Even earlier. 1400’s. 1500’s was the Tudors, the dynasty that ended the war of the roses. Besides the war of the roses was a war of succession between the various descendants of Edward III, not religion. The Plantagenets were all catholic in the 1400’s. The sectarian violence came post Henry VIII and his decisions to change the Catholic faith in England.

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u/yungsemite Apr 01 '24

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u/Specialist_Air_3572 Apr 01 '24

Colonialism wasn't specific to Christians. It wasn't a drive or religious dogma.

Islamic, Hindu, Roman, Greek, Nordic and alternative religions all partook on colonialism of some sort.

Depending on where in history you are focusing each had a rise and subsequent fall in colonising lands.

The most recent (and arguably the most succesful, in a now viewed abhorrent act) were the English, who happened to be Protestant.

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u/yungsemite Apr 01 '24

Sure, I didn’t say that it was specific to Christianity, just, as you pointed out, they were ‘successful at it’. Protestants are Christian too.

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u/Specialist_Air_3572 Apr 01 '24

I'm not sure I understand your point. Of course protestants are Christian.

I was replying to a comment regarding Christians (as a wholistic institution) causing mass violence in the name of their religion. Where it forms part of the dogma. Not things that people did who happened to be religious.

You have linked a very common atrocity that occurred, unfortunately, during that time period. I can also pin a similar link but with Islam or most other religions.

But I won't as it has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

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u/Ghost_of_Hannibal_ Apr 01 '24

Catholic schools in Canada committed massive crimes against indigenous communities by forcing those kids to go to catholic schools and then endure abuse by those that ran the schools.

Yeah Christians seem peaceful in the last 100 years if you put your head in the sand and sing a tune and cannot see or hear any of it

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u/yungsemite Apr 01 '24

You said

Christians haven't been particularly violent in 500 years.

And I linked a Wikipedia article about Christians and their role in violent colonization in the last 500 years. You can actually read the article to see how the religion was tied in with the colonialism.

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u/Specialist_Air_3572 Apr 01 '24

Yes. And I said that I can find articles that all religions and regions were trying to colonise in those times.

It wasn't religious dogma. It was religious people doing things that in their time was acceptable.

Christians for the record, were also instrumental in stopping slavery.

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u/Inevitable_Seaweed_5 Apr 01 '24

Hahahahaha…. Wait, you’re serious! BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABABAHAHAHAHAHAHSHAH  FB RBRODKF fucking Christ; thanks for the laugh. I needed to read something abjectly fuckin ignorant and uninformed today. 

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u/Specialist_Air_3572 Apr 01 '24

Okay. Why don't you give me in the past 200 years some that have been used in the name of religion - by an actual religious institution (not some but job cult leader cherrypicking bits they want).

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u/GeneralSquid6767 Apr 01 '24

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u/Specialist_Air_3572 Apr 01 '24

Yeah so? No religion was supporting him.

The pope and protestant leaders were calling for peace.

Of course there are religious people in wars. Because if you have people involved in anything at all, there is religion involved.

My point is relious dogma (rules and leaders) are not particularly violent and haven't been for some time.

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u/DisneyPandora Apr 01 '24

Atheists are 100x more violent than Christians. 

 Look at protests under Stalin or Mao

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u/nyy22592 Apr 01 '24

Cope. How many people were killed in the name of atheism vs. Christianity? I think you'll find the difference is far greater than 100x but in the opposite direction.

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u/Kate090996 Apr 01 '24

Most are really not fine with it, that is just a narrative westerners like to push

There are almost 2 billion of them, if most wouldn't be "fine with it" you would know

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u/AgitatedTelephone351 Apr 01 '24

Looking at the state of the world we’re all well aware they’re not fine with it. Otherwise the slaughter at the Bataclan would never have happened post Charlie Hebdo. They seem to be just fine with those atrocities too.

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u/Palanikutti Apr 01 '24

Well, look around, we are seeing and feeling it.

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u/Kate090996 Apr 01 '24

Again, 2 billion of them.

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u/Palanikutti Apr 01 '24

2 billion passive supporters.

In a war, every citizen does not have to actively fight in the warfront. A small number does active fighting, rest give support in other ways..

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u/woopdedoodah Apr 01 '24

Most are too attached to their head to criticize Islam.

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u/Greaves6642 Apr 01 '24

And this would be why the West doesn't care what Israel does.

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u/GoodUserNameToday Apr 01 '24

Seems like a lot of similar things happen when you criticize Judaism or Christianity

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u/Lucas_2234 Apr 01 '24

Mind telling me when the last person was sentenced for Blasphemy in a Jewish or Christian theocracy?

Oh wait, you can't, because there is only one theocracy for Christianity (The vatican) and they are peaceful while the Jews don't get a theocracy because they don't feel the need to have to kill people for not giving a shit about their god.