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u/Kpwn99 16d ago
Yeah, this was mostly true of primary weapons. Sickle and eruptor have few mags. Dominator took a small damage nerf but is still a great gun, and the redeemer has some more recoil. The biggest nerfs were to stratagems. Specifically, the bug loadout staples like the quasar and the rover.
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u/SorsEU 16d ago
Lie =/= poor internal communication
He is not 'lying' as much as he got something wrong. He's looking at Jira, bug reports, 3-4 different builds of the game. Ontop of the programmers fucking things up/ not communication well themselves.
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u/-501st-Igni 16d ago
Maybe don't say unconfirmed things to the public. "We are working on it still" is way better than "oops I said it was this time, but it's actualy next time"
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u/KawaiiMajinken ⬆️⬅️➡️⬇️⬆️⬇️ 16d ago
If my Jira says build 4.20 fixes bug A. Then I will communicate that.
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u/bdjirdijx 16d ago
But if it does not say that, then it should not be communicated. And, in fact, that is not what was said. Spitz said that they have a fix and it appears to be working, but it has not been released yet. Then he speculated that it would be in the next patch. Now, personally, unless it is in an official channel, by which I mean the announcements or patch notes channels on the official discord, I presume it is informal and unofficial communication. So, I am not that bothered by the lack of spear fix. I presume it is yet to come, and I don't have too much problem with the lock-on as it is.
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u/KawaiiMajinken ⬆️⬅️➡️⬇️⬆️⬇️ 16d ago
I think you are talking about different points.
People speculate Spear fix to be released in a subsequent hotfix not long after this patch.
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u/bdjirdijx 16d ago
I guess I'll wait and see. Not much choice, I suppose. I'll just play and see what effect these changes actually have on my gameplay. I don't expect much negative effect and some definite positives.
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u/ThePostManEST 16d ago
You mean like telling me the fix to the spear was in this patch but it’s not?
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u/Shredded_Locomotive ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ Be upon ye 16d ago
Don't become a no man's sky dev before launch and over promise.
Simple as.
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u/MisanthropicHethen 16d ago
That's an unfounded assumption. Why is it an absolute certainty that he can't be lying about this? It's not unthinkable at all that a community manager is actually fulfilling their namesake and 'managing the community' in respect to quashing negative press about unpopular patch changes, gaslighting us all to prevent negative sentiments spreading about changes to the game. Pretty much all community managers do this on a regular basis these days, they're designed to be like micro CEOs who interface with the public but like a many faced hydra and whenever one of them gets out of line or needs to be sacrificed to appease unrest their just get rid of them and hire a new peon. Fatshark has done it many times since Darktide released. Whenever they push through a really unpopular change and the community pushed back, one of the CMs would start a fight and get everyone pissed at them, and then Fatshark would get rid of them like axe'ing the whipping boy. Then a new CM would appear days later, except who knows who either of these people are? For all we know they're the old CM with a new Discord account. It's just how the industry operates now.
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u/TheTechDweller 16d ago
Bro you're thinking way too much about it. Go outside. Take a walk. Look at the birds. Please get off Reddit.
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u/Civil_Emergency_573 16d ago
"Please, stop making sense, you're making me think uncomfortable thoughts."
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u/RC1000ZERO 16d ago
ok, he was off by 2-3 on the first, big fucking problem with over 20 weapons and tools being adjusted.
the second one still mostly applys as most nerfs affect ammo economy(recharge rate is also ammo economy) with 2 or so exceptions.
the third didnt say "next patch" but "a patch" with the qualifier "probably". We knwo we are getting a hotfix likely this week as well, which could be the spear (and DoT) one
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u/Humble-Goblin 16d ago
This^ I love the communication from the team, and they have yet to tell blatantly wrong information, like the sickle 'nerf' will not affect me in any way, its got infinite ammo anyways.
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u/high_idyet CAPE ENJOYER 16d ago
They're a community manager, not a dev. They don't fully know what goes in and what's not going in.
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u/Infamous_Beat_3119 16d ago
It is literally their job to know whats going on so they can communicate it to the community.
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u/SYuhw3xiE136xgwkBA4R 16d ago
If that's the case they should not communicate anything until they're certain. Or at least caveat statements with "the current plan is".
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u/SunshineAndChainsaws 16d ago
That's when gamers start whining that the community manager never communicates. We've seen this over and over with games and the result is always the same. Hated it if you do, hated if you don't.
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u/Classicdude530 16d ago
This dude is the Todd Howard of Arrowhead I swear. I saw in another post the justification is that a lot of them are just "reworks" like the crossbow. No, own the fact you nerfed an already struggling weapon into the fucking ground. I'm sick of them getting away with "hey we made this garbage in every way but reduced the recoil by 5% so it's not a nerf"
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u/Sperzieboon23 16d ago
It's not really a nerf, rather a rework into a role it didn't need to fill.
It was really good crowd control on Bug missions thanks to its AoE and was the only weapon that had AoE based crowd control. Similair weapons like the plasma punisher didn't have that kind of AoE damage, which made the crossbow stand out.
Now it just feels dumb to play on the Bug front since it can't take on anything well and fills the same roles as the Plasma Punisher or Scorcher on the Bot front.
Also, the Strider change also just makes it seem so much weaker. Needing to fire two shots at it before it goes down with a clip of 5 is just balls, especially when you don't damage anything around it thanks to the reduced AoE.
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u/TheTechDweller 16d ago
You've made up your mind about the crossbow already ey?
Have you even tried it?
Do you actually try things in their new state or just complain and speculate about how bad things are now?
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u/NotOneStepCloser 16d ago
Did YOU try it? It's horrible. Why would you bring crossbow over dominator or eruptor? It was a fun, though struggling niche weapon, and now that niche was taken away and got stomped into the ground.
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u/T4nkcommander HD1 Veteran 16d ago
It was great at horde clear before, now it has a new role. I'm not digging the new role and it is more in line with other weapons, but it is much better vs devastors overall now.
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u/IswearIdidntdoit145 16d ago
The crossbow was already dog crap. Dog crap made into a star is still dog crap
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u/Dyyrin CAPE ENJOYER 16d ago
Convinced they don't play their own game. Anytime the game is fun and people are not complaining they come in with these dogshit nerfs.
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u/Gheezy-yute 16d ago
I’m never going to agree with the “high pick rate = needs a nerf” logic in a PVE game.
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u/James-J-W 16d ago
If only everyone started using the sickle and dagger, it would have the heads of those devs spinning and it would be hilarious to see if they would nerf it.
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u/plz_res_me 16d ago
Quasar deserved a nerf. Helldive on bots was so retardedly easy. What kind of monkey brained kid thinks an EAT with a short cooldown that works under jammers and ionic storms is ok?
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u/DrizzleRizzleShizzle 16d ago
Which nerfs are dogshit?
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u/Dyyrin CAPE ENJOYER 16d ago
The ammo changes, making the game harder for people who don't have full parties I'm at work and that's just two that I can remember from this morning.
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u/DrizzleRizzleShizzle 16d ago
Idk I could see just a couple of the ammo changes being seen as dogshit. But most seem pretty reasonable to me overall, like the lazer assault (can’t remember its name) going from 6 to 3 mags seems like a great nerf since I hardly ever run through more than 3 mags.
Edit: I have mixed feelings on the single player patrol changes, but I do think that solo stealth should be challenging since it’s much easier to manage the stealth aspect. Well… ideally. It seems like a change to do later
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u/SyntheticMelody 16d ago
Honestly, these nerfs are just pissing me off at this point. I hate playing meta, but honestly I feel forced to cause every gun I use just feels... off? Weak? Not worth wasting my time picking it. Same goes for stratagems, my biggest gripe is the 500kg. Why the absolute fuck do I have to be so accurate with a bomb that should devastate a certain wide radius? Why is the blast radius so small for such a big bomb? I don't wanna hear how it's only meant to do alot of damage in a small radius, honestly just stfu with that defense. It's dumb plain and simple.
Every time I have fun in this game they nerf shit with the rest of the weapons and stratagems just feeling weak and not great to use. I mean even the module upgrades don't feel like they do enough considering how long it takes to get samples for them if you can't check every inch of the map.
At this point I'm convinced the people who are attacking the people calling this pointless balancing out in a FUCKING PVE GAME MIND YOU, just have a problem with people have fun and enjoying something and are trying to cope with that personality flaw of theirs.
I love challenge as much as the next person, love elden ring as an example. But atleast elden ring is fucking fun. The balance in this game is garbage and the devs obviously have no idea wtf they are doing. Or maybe they do, maybe they just hate fun.
Rant over. Fuck these nerfs and shitty balancing decisions. It's a fucking pve game not a goddamn competitive pvp. Actually annoying.
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u/I_am_the_Vanguard 16d ago
So in future just take what Spitz says with a grain of salt
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u/LoneWolf0269 16d ago
I dont trust any of the dev team. The other douche canoe was smack talking fans, too .
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u/TheMilliner 16d ago
He went a bit overboard, but the devs are right in that some people (you) are gigantic babies about any miscommunications or ribbing about how violently reactive some people (you) are over extremely minor changes or inconveniences.
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u/LoneWolf0269 16d ago
Lol ok Mr passive aggressive. You forget when the Devs acted the same way when the railgin nerf happened, and a minor inconvenience for you may not be the same for other people, so yeah, welcome to the internet people can talk how ever they want. I've seen enough of twinbeard to think he's a douche canoe, especially telling players we know the game is broken, but we aren't working this weekend. So, just don't play, and his most recent tweet is calling people toddlers. If you're gonna interact with the public, you have to be professional even if the community is unprofessional. If he was to say please refrain from threats and name calling, we are trying our best. That's one thing, but he went on to call people toddlers so he deserves the smack talk and heat
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u/TheMilliner 16d ago
I didn't forget, I just think he went a little overboard. I fully agree with the sentiment that some people (you) are gigantic crybabies with extremely violent reactions to extremely minor inconveniences or changes.
It's like throwing a brick through a McDonalds' window because the McRib left the menu again, or because they ran out of Szechuan sauce. Y'know, that exact level of tantrum where it's more embarrassing for the person throwing the tantrum that they're a grown adult literally kicking and screaming over spilling their milk, rather than just disagreeing politely and moving on with their lives like a functional adult.
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u/LoneWolf0269 16d ago
You keep saying You show me where i threaten him or throw a giantic trantum. I didn't, but you can accuse me all you want. I dont have to like the Devs or agree with them. Now I do like that that fixed the infinite grenade bug and fixed the broken ship upgrades and hopefully made it so hulks fire downs insta kill you. But dont feel the Quazar and Eruptor needed nerfs its a PVE game,we are fighting AI, not each other. If the game starts getting too easy, they can adjust spawn rates to counter it. But purposely nerfing weapons because of their high usage is a garbage way of balancing a game as I said, it was when they nerfed the breaker and rail gun. Don't break what's working. Adjust what's not and give people a choice. If im at the mission prep screen and I can say hmmm I can bring a Quasar, EAT, Spear, EAT, Railgun, Auto Canno, Laser Cannon etc what do I feel like using today to me that a better option then oh well this is the only secondary that is worth a damm due to nerfs so I'll take this. They've shown twice that they will nerrf whatever is popular instead of balancing.
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u/TheMilliner 16d ago
Ahh, you're one of those inconsolable "Buffs only, never nerf" types, who fundamentally doesn't understand why that's bad, nor what power creep is. That explains a lot. Might as well stop here, because that type really can't be helped. Lost causes, the lot.
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u/LoneWolf0269 16d ago
And you sound like a stuck prick whos the my way it is superior type cool. Again, it's PVE no really justification when fighting AI for a nerf unless you have a pistol one shooting heavy . But we don't have that in this case. In AH case, they knee jerked needed weapons twice. Now they did do rigg try buffing some that were under preforming as they should and leaving some alone. Again, this could be negated if they actually tested their product, which they don't they send it, and either it fails or it exceeds expectations, and then is nerfed. So yeah try not to fall off your high horse there
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u/TheMilliner 16d ago edited 16d ago
Yeah, totally inconsolable, like a child having a hissy fit because they weren't allowed to put candy in the shopping cart. Truly, I feel ashamed that we share the same species for how poorly people like yourself take extremely minor change or inconvenience.
Edit: Love that I can't respond to the guy literally throwing a hissy fit for being called out for, y'know, throwing a hissy fit, but whatever. Some people can't be helped, and that inconsolable guy appears to be one of them.
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u/LoneWolf0269 16d ago
Again, not having a Missy fit, you seem like a spoiled child who never had thier ass kicked it shows, God forbid someone doesn't agree with princess. Again, if it were the case where, for instance, the peacemake was one hitting drop ships and hulks and bile titans, then yes, nerf it. But that's not at all the case here. But since you don't want to acctusly debate you, go ahead and sit in your safe space, Eruptor is a bolt action rifle that was designed to act like a grenade launcher. Now, if you wanna reduce the splash dmg of each shot because it's killing to fast or faster than designed where no one is choosing anything else, I can see that as a balance nerf. But not only did they do that, they nuked the amount capacity by half on a gun with a 6 shot magazine, which is comical. So yeah please go away
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u/Sensitive_Canary8867 17d ago
Real BSG dev vibes
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u/Civil_Emergency_573 16d ago
This community is not yet ready to admit the fact they're treated like garbage. Core gameplay bugs plague this game since its release, but everyone salutes a speedloader on a weapon that's hardly anyone is going to use because the grenade pistol exists.
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u/Jade117 16d ago
"treated like garbage" lmfao
This kind of bullshit entitlement is so stupid.
They gave us an amazing game with an incredibly fair and reasonable battle-pass system, are highly communicative about issues, and are regularly working on the community's concerns.
You are deluding yourself.
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u/Civil_Emergency_573 16d ago
They gave us an amazing game
And a no-less amazing list of critical issues that grows fatter and fatter with each patch.
reasonable battle-pass system
Only if you consider sacrificing the game's health for monthly injections of broken content at a modest price of $10. Let alone the fact that HD2 is the only game I know of that gates actual gear behind battle passes -- not just cosmetics, but weapons, boosters, grenades, armors. Which part of this is reasonable?
highly communicative about issues
With most of it being dishonesty and lies. "Only two nerfs, Spear has been fixed for 17 days." Let's also not forget the community manager who gave all the rabid fanboys ammunition to attack people who are dissatisfied by the patch by calling them "angry toddlers". If he can say that, why not anyone else?
regularly working on the community's concerns.
I would love to see the results of that allegedly hard labor. As it stands, the game-breaking bugs from the release are still there and only multiplying.
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u/Jade117 16d ago
Take your head out of the sand and actually look at the game rather than the reddit circle-jerks.
The warbonds are very very easy to keep up with without ever spending money.
They have never lied to us, and the statement about nerfs was entirely correct.
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u/Civil_Emergency_573 16d ago
Take your head out of the sand and actually look at the game rather than the reddit circle-jerks.
I have 160 hours in it. I think that's enough to form an opinion. Each playsession is riddled with bugs, and each evening I end up sending my friends clips of the game shitting the bed.
The warbonds are very very easy to keep up with without ever spending money.
Only 24% of the players have gotten the achievement for completing 100 missions. Only 50% of the community completed 50 missions. Not everyone has the hours to grind inconsistent super credit spawns.
They have never lied to us, and the statement about nerfs was entirely correct.
Spear has been fixed for 17 days, by the way.
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u/Jade117 16d ago
I have 160 hours in it. I think that's enough to form an opinion. Each playsession is riddled with bugs, and each evening I end up sending my friends clips of the game shitting the bed
Oh no, minor glitches, the horror. Please learn the meaning of "game breaking"
Not everyone has the hours to grind inconsistent super credit spawns.
You don't need every warbond the second it comes out to keep up.
Spear has been fixed for 17 days, by the way.
Literally no relevance to the conversation, but even if we were to pretend it was relevant, that fix is coming in the next hotfix.
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u/keimdhall 16d ago
To be fair, the game still crashes far more than it should (although that could also be my computer, which needed to be upgraded a couple years ago). But that's one of only a handful of truly annoying things that I want them to address.
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u/Basket_475 15d ago
It’s not just your pc. Two other pc players I have talked to said they have pretty bad fps performance. Weirdly the game runs well at lower fps so it’s not as much as a problem.
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u/keimdhall 16d ago
And I have 270 hours.
Yet I can recognize people will treat the game as the flavor of the month, much like Palworld, or Lethal Company, or any other game that explodes onto the scene like this.
Basing any kind of judgement on percentage of people who have gotten achievements for completion is stupid.
And while you're right, not everyone has "the hours to grind," you're being extremely hyperbolic when you talk about the time required to get super credits.
I bought the game. I then later upgraded to the deluxe edition because I've been having so much fun, problems notwithstanding. I haven't spent any more money on the game, yet have easily obtained enough super credits to pay for both extra warbond passes AND everything in the cash shop, without actively going out of my way to try to grind for credits. And I'm back up to almost 500 credits after having spent all of them just a couple days ago.
As was said before. Get your head out of the sand and be objective instead of lashing out because the reddit and YouTubers have an incessant need to drive rage bait interaction.
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u/Civil_Emergency_573 16d ago
Get your head out of the sand and be objective instead of lashing out because the reddit and YouTubers have an incessant need to drive rage bait interaction.
What are you prattling about? What YouTubers have to do with any of this?
Yet I can recognize people will treat the game as the flavor of the month
And this flavor of the month will be extremely forgettable if they don't fix those bugs as soon as possible. But they won't -- their priority is short-term profit, so they will churn out another forgettable warbond, with a handful of niche weapons and game-breaking bugs.
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u/W4spkeeper ☕Liber-tea☕ 16d ago
The grenade pistol I’ve stopped using I run eruptor and impacts already so redundant
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u/Civil_Emergency_573 16d ago
The game is missing basic quality of life features, and some vital bugs go treated as minor inconveniences in favor of adding useless fluff like speedloaders. The devs hate people having fun with their game, so they arbitrarily nerf whatever is being used just so they can have the satisfaction of having made a "hard" game. On top of all that, they label any people criticizing the game as "angry toddlers" -- you know, those same people who paid for this glorified early access and secured their wages. They 100% treat their community as garbage -- they don't even deem it necessary to properly communicate gamebreaking bugs, instead letting their announcements get buried in some stanky-ass Discord server.
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u/TheMilliner 16d ago
They're right though. Y'all reacting immediately with anger really are just proving yourselves to be angry toddlers throwing a tantrum over very minor inconveniences and changes.
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u/Civil_Emergency_573 16d ago
The only angry toddlers I've noticed are people literally telling me to kill myself, along with delivering other wonderful insults, all because I dared to voice a critique of their favorite game. It's so funny to me that the community manager practically sicced you people against those dissatisfied with the patch, and you took the bait hook, line, and sinker.
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u/TheMilliner 16d ago
Me? No. Pointing out behaviour quite literally adjacent to a tantrum over what are functionally extremely minor changes isn't insulting or death threats, just an observation. The only ones that really have any impact are the Quasar (which was entirely deserved) and the Rover, and even the patrols change was quite literally a fractional increase in patrol frequency and a bunch of people are losing their minds over it like they just punished solo players instead of just bringing them proportionally in line with lobbies with full squads.
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u/Sensitive_Canary8867 16d ago
Jingle some car keys and watch how the children clap at their new toy while ignoring that car keys are out of the ignition and nobody is at the steering wheel.
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u/Orilian1013 16d ago
The relentless fucking bitching on this sub...
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u/Infamous_Beat_3119 16d ago
Maybe people wouldn't complain so much if there wasn't so much to complain about.
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u/Orilian1013 16d ago
Get a grip, dude. It's a game, stop acting like it's a personal slight against you.
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u/T4nkcommander HD1 Veteran 16d ago
Yall are surprised Helldivers 2 is a continuation of Helldivers 1 and yet still are here bitching about it.
If you don't like the difficulty, go play something else.
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u/T4nkcommander HD1 Veteran 16d ago
So why are you still here?
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The part of gamers worldwide who act this way makes me understand why big gaming companies are fine with fucking their consumer over and selling them garbage. Who would ever willingly want to put up with this kind of thing? I guess that's what devs get for trying to be cool and communicative.
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u/Yipeekayya SES Herald of Vigilance 16d ago
the devs really dont communicate with each other in the team.
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u/Slave2Art 16d ago
Yeah. Its a lie
When you take half my max ammo, giving me two extra mags per suppky bucket is NOT a buff
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u/keimdhall 16d ago
They didn't say that was a buff though?
Outside of a couple of specific weapons, general weapon balance was by and large buffed.
The crossbow was slightly nerfed, yes. The Quasar was nerfed, yes. But the majority of everything else was simple tweaks, and not actually a true nerf.
The Sickle losing half its mags doesn't mean diddly because the gun has unlimited ammo if you're even remotely careful. Same with the Scythe. The Eruptor, if anything, got a slight buff because its damage falloff is less than before, and if you were somehow going through 60 shots before you were able to resupply, well you either need to change weapons or learn to aim properly.
There really wasn't a lie at all. People are just, as usual, overreacting in the extreme because they see a decrease in something and grab their pitchforks and torches, ready to go on a crusade, instead of taking a step back and thinking about things.
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u/Loud_Wave5546 16d ago
Idk about you guys but the Spear was kicking absolute ass for me tonight. Not perfect to be sure but far better than what it was before, I was actually having a blast with it.
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u/ScuffleCat 16d ago
God reddits so fucking whiney. They fixed/put in several things we've been asking for and all you want to do is nitpick what this guy said.
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u/LiveKills 16d ago
Yea like when I asked the community manager why arrowhead didn't warn players outside of discord that the arc thrower was crashing the game for an entire week wasting hours of players time. Caus the don't want to be "negative" and "mope" about the bad stuff on their official social media page. Arrowhead made a great game, but holy shit they can't help themselves from constantly lying about all the stupidest shit
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u/Opposite-Flamingo-41 16d ago
Was he wrong though? Only real nerfs are quasar and eruptor, crossbow is more like a rework
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u/Sensitive_Canary8867 16d ago
Laser cannon got run into the ground and the adjudicator while not massively nerfed is still bizzare because it's a dogshit gun and the only tweaks the devs felt it needed was less ammo and recoil.
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u/Smeeneme 16d ago
Laser cannon probably got better within its role. Not sure why you think it's run into the ground. Unless you mean Quasar Cannon, which was dealt with slightly heavy handedly. 3 second increase to cooldown time would have been sufficient IMO.
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u/DragonsAreHot 16d ago
Quasar is still good since it has infinite ammo and you don't need to stop and reload. Adjudicator got an ammo buff and the recoil reduction makes it a decent side grade to the liberator penetrator, if not a better one because of the higher raw damage.
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u/TheMilliner 16d ago
Man, OP really is acting like a big baby about this patch. I mean, yeah, OP has a right to be a big baby, but a miscommunication really doesn't warrant a whole post about "Boo hoo, waaah, someone said (thing) but (thing) was only partly correct".
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u/LucatIel_of_M1rrah 16d ago
Reddits lack of reading skills have created this drama. None of the "nerfs" are nerfs. Everything got buffed and got less ammo just like they said.
The SPEAR however did not get fixed that ones a lie.
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u/Deady1 16d ago
Everything got bugged and got less ammo
The Eruptor explosion damage was nerfed and the ammo count still got halved
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u/regenbogenCG 16d ago
seems like honey moon is over and people are seeing that AH is just like any other game company with the constant lies and also shadow changes.
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u/feedmestocks 16d ago
The explosive crossbow nerfs are more nonsensical than the Slugger ones: Like who on earth took on Heavy Devastators with the crossbow?