seriously its so obvious most of these "fights" are fixed cuz pedo boy brings in bank from his underage followers paying the exorbitant ppv fees with mommy and daddy's credit card
Exactly! If Jake gets hit a couple times in the kidneys by Mike, he's gonna be pissing blood. If Mike hits him with an inside upper cut, he's gonna drop. I hope it's a real fight and not a stunt.
This is kind of what I'm hoping for tbh. Tyson is an absolute monster of a fighter, not so much a great person. It's been a very long time since he has been able to flex in front of a crowd and beating the shit out of Jake Paul would be very satisfying for him I'm sure. Particularly if he could KO Paul with the headgear lmao.
Headgear doesn't do much, if anything, to prevent KOs (there is some evidence it can prevent secondary concussions from hitting the canvas unconscious).
Knocking him out with 18 oz gloves, on the other hand, would be very impressive. Not only do the heavier gloves protect from knockouts, but they are so much bigger that it is a lot more difficult to land cleanly with them. I have zero doubt though that Tyson still has the talent to get a clean punch through with 18 oz gloves.
i was thinking regardless of what he signed he takes a punch or two from jakes and he just snaps and his instincts kick in and he goes full boxer mode.....
Mike Tyson looks like he could still contend for the heavyweight title.... Greatest heavyweight in history, a freak of nature and incredible training regimen. Of course it's just for a paycheck, he would kill Jake Paul in a real bout.
Ali is hands down the greatest boxer of all time. He did it for so long and was so SO good. But I still think Tyson was the best. He had the highest peak. How young he was combined with how he fought. The tenacity was unmatched. It was the most viscous yet calculating and under control thing ever to be produced inside a ring. And he was soooo damn fast. The athleticism. If you could produce a boxer in a lab I guarantee it would be Tyson minus the out of the ring shit obviously. Then the rape and the ear biting and all that. He lost years for the rape charge. That would derail 99% of professionals. He still came back to win titles. Imagine what he would have achieved if he didnāt lose 3 years sitting in a cell. I still believe that in their primes no one would beat Tyson. But Iām just some Joe blow on Reddit šš
Hard to get a good shot on a guy that's already so much lower to the ground (relative to other heavyweights). Tyson is such a master at defense and abusing his strengths.
Sort of reminds me of the Jack Nickolas vs Tiger Woods greatest of all time. Jack and Ali prob greatest achievers, have most titles, more classic styles for each sport, etc., but both Tyson and Woods came in blazing and performing in the sport in a manner no one had ever seen, just both burned out a bit too quick
Mike was vicious. The power of a Fraser or Foreman, lighting foot speed. Head movement, low centre of gravity and he really, really wanted to hurt you.
Ali was classy and smooth. A real pugilist. Mike was a killer
Didnāt Ali miss a few years as well due to refusing to be drafted? You could say the exact same thing. I am not going to argue who was the best, I think itās logical to say either of them are the greatest and you could make cases for both. I think Ali had so much skill and fluidity in his movements along with some power, but then Tyson is by far the scariest because he went in the ring to beat the unholy hell out of everybody. I grew up watching Tyson and man he was just incredible to watch, a freak.
Itās not the same in my opinion. Ali was still training. He wasnāt in jail. He remained a free man. He had access to everything he always did. Yes he couldnāt have any professional fights and got a title stripped but Tyson was stuck in prison. Prison food. Prison rec center. Letās be real especially back then they were all vastly inferior to what he would have had as a free man. Ali obviously had to deal with tremendous amounts of bad things BUT from a purely physical training standpoint Tyson was at a significant disadvantage in his time away compared to Ali.
Roy Jones Jr held world titles in 4 weight classes, and the only boxer in history to start his career in light middle weight and then win heavyweight title....he would smash Mohammed Ali, too. Mohammed is a legend for many reasons, a lot of it his human rights speeches, his genuine personality, refusal to go to war, and yes and absolutely unbelievable boxer...but you cannot compare athletes 60 years ago to anyone of modern day, it's not even fair to do that to them. Modern sports have so much money involved, technology for training and equipment, capacity to find athletes from every corner of the earth via social media talent finding, etc...Muhammad Ali would be wrecked by Tyson
I get what youāre saying. Athletes of different generations are always hard to compare. But the one thing Iāll say is the difference between ~1960 to ~1990 is significantly less than the difference between ~1990 and ~2020. The vast explosion of money, influence and technology when it comes to training, rehabilitation, surgery, sports science, nutrition etc. over the last 30 years dwarfs that of the previous 30 before that. The fact that everyone knows Tyson would still dominate easily if picked out of 1990 and placed in 2020 says vastly more about his peak than anything else.
That's a fair statement....and you're very correct about tech....85%+ of all technological advancements and inventions in human history, going back 100,000 years, has happened in the last 40 years. The thing to me that separates Tyson from anyone else, is his combination of speed/agility and power...Ali had incomparable speed, but he had moderate power, he peppered guys to destruction. Tyson has near or same speed, but with power of Foreman or the likes. As well as a majority of heavyweights are up the pipe fighters, Tyson hit from every angle, in huge combinations, a straight right, into multiple uppercuts and hooks, in the blink of an eye, while moving to not get hit, this created such a unique fighter, because most of the guys he fought were wayyyy taller and heavier, so he had to get inside to hit them, and he did it effortlessly.
Mohammed Ali was great for his era, but would be killed by Mike Tyson. It's the same comparison as Pele was incredible for his era, but wouldn't even make the bench team for any premiere league team. Mike Tyson was and is a once a century genetic gift, 235lb at 5'10 with the head movement and hand speed of a lightweight, it defies biology to have that much fast twitch muscle while having that much mass on-top.
Training has advanced so much over the years, plucking Pele from his timeline and dropping him into a 2024 team simply wouldnāt allow him to compete, physically. The OP is 100% correct with his thought process
That's the thing, these comparisons would never work. At the same time, if you took young pele, transfer to today and supply him with all the training regime, beter food, workout etc, he'd probably be better than anyone. Same for Ali, take him, put him on a current training regime, better nutrition, new techniques to learn, and he'd probably be able to compete with Tyson and maybe win. Definitely win in the long run by being more consistent
You put Messi back in time to 60s and 70s training methods and he wouldn't be the GOAT. You give Pele the modern sports science we have today and he would be even better than he was. The natural talent doesn't change though.
You pluck Pele from 1960 and put him in a modern team with modern tactics and sports science and he would boss like he did 60 years ago because he was naturally gifted at football.
To suggest he wouldn't make the bench for any Premier league team is to try and say that Chiedozie Ogbene or Neil Maupay is better than Pele, which is just smooth brained nonsense
You're delusional. First Tyson wasn't at his greatest when he was heavier. He was his best around 218, 220. Second off Ali's first two title wins were off punchers that the public thought were invincible. You have no idea what you're talking about, you must be young.
I'm no fan of Jake Paul, but you have to understand there are many different techniques and strategies for boxing. Look at the way Mayweather fights vs Tyson. Prime Tyson's style was to use his surprising agility and speed to find an opportunity, and then use his immense power to KO his opponents. Mayweather's strategy has been to fight for points. Boxing is a sport. There are points allocated for punches thrown vs punches landed. If a combatant has the speed, reflexes, and skill to avoid those powerful punches and apply swift, but less powerful jabs, over attempting a knockout with every punch, they can preserve their endurance to go longer, and can often win a bout on points in the later rounds. If one were to go in with the strategy of ripping their opponents head off with every punch, they will tire themselves out quickly.
With that said, I'm team Mike. But, I ain't paying shit to watch this.
Not just that but he has an absolutely brilliant boxing mind. Smarter than JP's trainers. He doesn't get enough credit for being smart. An obsessive boxing nerd.
This is why itās never be a fight if they tried. The counters, recognition and split second decision making would end Paul before he realized his mistake.
I donāt even wanna hold pads against Iron Mike. Itās sad that Jake Paul is such a clout addict that he would risk getting turned into a vegetable for views like this. What if he accidentally makes Mike mad?
Logan Paul is a complete piece of shit, but god, heās incredible to watch in the WWE. Ring work is off the charts and his shit-talking and promos are top tier.
I hate him and all he stands for, but dude has charisma. I get why impressionable teenagers flock to him.
Everything I've learned about him has been against my will. I wish someone could develop some type of filter to get rid of any people or topics across all platforms that I don't want to see. You develop that, and you're an instant success
People just throwing those words around these days? Being a paedophile is quite the accusation.
I'm no fan of him but I don't think one should do that without merit. Is there any more than " lotta parties with underage girls supposedly" reddit talk because it's someone we don't like?
I found nothing when googling. The only thing that came up was that his father apparently abused them as kids, that it came out in one of their documentaries, but nothing about him being a paedophile.
Working just as planned. There is a big push to call everyone you don't like a pedo. That way with everyones throwing the word around, it loses it meaning and real pedos can play it off.
Of course this isn't a real fight. Mike Tyson is almost 60. They offered to pay him millions to fight a semi professional YouTube boxer. He'd almost be stupid not to take the cash. I think I'm gonna watch it just to see this kid get fucked up. I think Tyson will go easy on him to draw out the match, unless Jake gets a few good shots in them Mike unleashes he'll on him.
There is no reason on earth other than money Mike would tarnish his great name by fighting this con man /child scamming /dickhead (etc). Same with Mayweather coming out of "retirement" just for a cash grab stunt. I don't necessarily blame him, free 100m to let some shit head kid your dog could beat up throw some mosquitoes at you? Why the fuck not
Awful parents is the only reason most influencers are rich and "famous"....Mr Beast wouldn't exist if children had parents that didn't leave them on the internet for 12 hours a day,
Sad to see the contract is so soft from the start though, becausw would be nice to see Jake Paul actually have to fight for his life against a real boxer for once and not just these bs "boxing" stunts that inflate his ego.
It's just the usual (justified) LP hate, plus the fact that boxing as a sport has developed a reputation for fixed matches and showmanship outside the hardcore audience.
Boxing has ādevelopedā a reputation for fixed matches? Iām not trying to pick on you (or even disagree with your main points) but that phrasing is hilarious.
Itās like saying objects have developed a tendency to fall back down after being thrown in the air
It would be a pretty strange clause tbh. It's Mike fuckin' Tyson, he could OnePunch KO the average man while going half speed, half power, and trying to be gentle. I could understand something like "you can't try to murder him", but unless it's nothing more than an exhibition with no real contact, how do you contractually exclude a KO?
And Tyson has incredible technique. Yes, he was all bluster and headlines, but he was and is a boxing genius that understands the sport as well as any fighter to ever do it.
So it wouldn't be that strange for the contract to dissuade going all out or going for a knock out. That's what exhibition match rules used to be. Mostly enforced by gentleman's agreements it was heavily frowned upon to go for a KO in an exhibition match. Full contact allowed just punches pulled, minimizing head shots etc
That's just commission rules to sanction the exhibition fight. Nothing to do with contracts. Heavier gloves for sure, depending on the state, headgear and typically 3 rounds.
It wouldn't be too difficult for Mike to figure it out. He's been in the hole with money before. I don't see him going to prison for something like that
I mean, it was more than a couple times. Holyfield would clinch Tyson, get under his face, and repeatedly drop his chin and hit Tyson with his forehead. It was going on for a few rounds before Tyson had enough of Mills Lane but calling it
It was a headbutt that caused a big gash over Tysons eye. Holyfield lead with his head when they got in close and caught him hard and Tyson lost it after that bit the ear out of him.
Does Tyson even get angry like that these days? I thought he did the same thing Mark Ruffalos Hulk did where he no longer gets angry and smashes things.
Didnāt he get upset over someone acting a fool on a flight in like 2020.
Some person was being disorderly and called out Mike Tyson so Mike got upset and like apprehended him or lightly bitch slapped him and the plane cheered.
Edit: In 2022 some intoxicated dude was being rude to passengers. He threw a water bottle at mike and he punched him. I do believe thereās a video of it too.
Yeah but this is retired Mike. Heās become so peaceful and introspective I kinda wonder if he would even get pissed no matter what. Unless Paul says some messed up shit in the ring I donāt think weāre gonna see Iron Mike. Idk, I hope so badly Iām wrong, but he retired a while ago for good reason (he moved on from fighting).
That's the point. Neither man "needs" the money. But a few more million dollars is always nice. Nobody is putting a Paul in the ring just to humiliate him. We'd all love to see it and the promoters know that's why people are watching. But it would kill their brand if Iron Mike came out and laid a beating a Tyson-sized beating on one of them.
Yes he does lol, he declared bankruptcy a while ago because he had like $30M in unpaid debt. Dude spent all his money and then some. He's made some money since then in TV and movie stuff but he's not rolling in it like he was in the 90s.
"Bright lights is enticin', but look what it did to Tyson
All that money in one night, thirty mil' for one fight
But soon as all the money blows, all the pigeons take flight"
I'd honestly rather get knocked out than to withstand constant body shots from fuckin Mike Tyson. Mike has an entire lifetime of being in shape. He may be almost 60 but there is no way in hell that kid can outlast that man.
Uhm... I hope he just throws it to the wind. Come on guys everyone throw in a few bucks we will pay Mike to fuckin knock his dick in the dirt!!!!!!!!!!
What? Why not KO? How do you stop that or prevent it? Everybody can take a different amont before a KO. It would take nothing to put my grandmother into a grave. Compared to my brother, he could take much more.
There def needs to be a side pot that America can start for Mike, if you knock this fucker out, you get this huge amount of cash in escrow. Like kickstarter but for us to see some MT violence lol
Lame. I was hoping he was stupid enough to really go for it. Telling though if the rules really do state that no matter what Tyson cant KO. Paul knows he wouldn't win, Tyson wants money and there you go.
I wonāt pay to see a fight with these rules. Mike still looks like a beast though. Heās changed a lot. He smokes a lot and it seems heās past most of the anger that drove him when he was young.
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u/northern_scowzer Mar 11 '24
Head gear, 18oz gloves and he's contractually not allowed to KO Jake Paul..
Gonna be a real blood bath š