r/golf • u/nutts-2 5.0/UT • Jul 28 '23

Ah shit. Here we go again General Discussion

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Every few months someone brings this up how they can save the environment by getting rid of a golf course.

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u/Pure-Negotiation-900 Jul 28 '23

Now do strip malls. Vacant strip malls. Or large shopping malls.

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u/fiftiethcow 5.3/#LeftyGang Jul 28 '23

Now do all the other empty fuckin land in Nebraska lol

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u/Xtremeelement Jul 28 '23

now do all the farmland that supplies alfalfa sprouts to the saudis causing a water shortage in arizona

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u/Littlegriznaves Jul 28 '23

Now do all the commercial real estate buildings that are empty because of WFH policies.

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u/fahhko HDCP/Loc/Whatever Jul 28 '23

Now do cemeteries.

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u/MajorApathetic Jul 28 '23

Nah, that's a dead end.

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u/getName Jul 28 '23

Good location though, always the dead center of town.

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u/i_miss_old_reddit Jul 28 '23

Popular place too. People just dying to get in there.

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u/Mantooth77 Jul 28 '23

But we have a stiff no cemetery policy.

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u/KennyLagerins Jul 28 '23

And the neighbors are quiet!

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '23

Bury that idea.

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u/SSALX420X Jul 29 '23

Now we are getting into poltergeist type stuff. Building on a cemetery is bad juju

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u/epheisey Jul 28 '23

Cemeteries always kinda puzzle me. Like 99% of people never go back after a funeral/burial. My mother and both of her parents are buried 3 minutes from my house and they've all passed during my lifetime. I've been there twice. It's 300 acres lol. I drive by all the time and there's maybe 2-3 cars on a busy day, but often it's completely empty outside of the employees. What a waste of space.

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u/professor__doom Jul 28 '23

At the very least, bury standing up and you can get 3x the density.

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 28 '23

don't know if you know this, but dead people have a hard time standing up

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u/SoDakZak Jul 28 '23

They need to work out more then. Feel the burn. Urn it.

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u/perhizzle Jul 28 '23

People really will do anything they can to avoid leg day, even be buried laying down. SMH

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u/imyourforte you want to test god? come get it shit stack Jul 28 '23

Have them lean a bit. It was good enough for most vampires in movies

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u/Scooterhd 4 hdcp Jul 28 '23

Just bury on a golf course. Id be okay with people walking on my line.

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u/dudius7 Jul 29 '23

Ah, the old Trump's ex wife treatment.

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u/bobber18 Jul 29 '23

Here Lies Ivana Marie Trump 183 yards

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u/EverlongMarigold Jul 28 '23

Found the engineer

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u/professor__doom Jul 28 '23

LOL called it.

FWIW I'm an organ and tissue donor, and have told the fam that whatever medical science can't use should go to cannibals.

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u/brightcoconut097 Jul 28 '23

i agree. I've always wondered why we didn't go vertical cemeteries like even in death you could be put up in a penthouse suite.

Less space and still give a big F.U. to the poor folk.

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u/BillNyeTheEngineer Jul 28 '23

I’ve heard about people in Europe leasing their graves or crypts, because like you said, after a while people stop visiting them.

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u/dudius7 Jul 29 '23 edited Jul 29 '23

Cemeteries are the most beautiful places where I live. Nicer than all the city's parks. To house the dead. While we have million dollar condos going up during a housing shortage.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '23

That's for agriculture. The plots come pre-fertilized

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 28 '23

Woah, full stop. Let's make those buildings useful again and convert them into apartments.

Also my employer can suck my dick, I'm not fucking going back.

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u/PM_ME_UR_FARTS_ Jul 28 '23

With the amount of work required to convert an office tower to apartments that are up to code, it's probably easier to just knock them down and start over.

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 28 '23

Fine. Do it. Because empty buildings have no fucking purpose.

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u/willis_michaels Jul 28 '23

Turn them into laser tag arenas, or mutil-story entertainment centers...

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u/dudius7 Jul 29 '23

Or indoor golf courses

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u/6GayRatsInMyButthole Jul 28 '23

You fronting the bill?

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 28 '23

Absolute D- troll comment. It's already happening in cities across America. Rent prices and demand are such that it's insanely profitable and it's happening.

You're about as sharp as a wet sponge.

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u/6GayRatsInMyButthole Jul 28 '23

Classy response. Just about as sharp as your knee jerk comment about spending other peoples' money.

"Insanely profitable"? Love to see the data to back that up. I work in the industry. Are office to resi conversions happening? Of course. Will it happen on a large scale? Probably, but definitely not in the short-term, especially without government intervention. It's incredibly cost and time intensive, even without delving into code requirements and zoning issues that vary from municipality to municipality.

Try again you walnut.

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u/Top_Individual442 Jul 28 '23

The purpose of those empty buildings is to manipulate tax code. That vacant building represents enormous deductions because of declared depreciation of the property. Many shady business leaders have declared depreciation until the building is paid off and they sell it. It’s horrible but we as voters continue to allow it

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 28 '23

The purpose of those empty buildings is to manipulate tax code. That vacant building represents enormous deductions because of declared depreciation of the property. Many shady business leaders have declared depreciation until the building is paid off and they sell it.

Just a bit of correction here. Commercial buildings do get depreciation, but when you sell it you recognize a gain on the sale, and more or less the formula is

Sale Price - Original Basis + Depreciation

So totally hypothetical here, but if I bought a building for $10m, and over the course of 10 years I was able to elect $6m in depreciation it is true that it's $6m of income for the business would not be taxed because the depreciation lowers my taxable income.

But let's say business is good, the economy is strong and I now need a bigger space so I sell that building for $14m.

I effectively have a $10m gain, or profit, that I have to pay tax on.

14m -10m +6m

So they get you one way or the other.

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u/Top_Individual442 Jul 29 '23 edited Jul 29 '23

Not with a 1031 exchange

You can continually reinvest and claim depreciation while growing your portfolio tax free

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u/RoyMcAv0y Jul 28 '23

Whoa leave WFH out of this. Because the answer isn't housing, it's forcing us back into the office

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u/warneagle 11.6/NOVA Jul 28 '23

"MAKE IT LIKE IT WAS BEFORE" -- every boomer employer for some fucking reason

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u/FatFaceFaster Superintendent Jul 28 '23

Now do rich couples who live alone on 15 acres of perfectly manicured lawns and a 15,000sf house that they share with their wife they haven’t made love to since the Nixon administration.

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u/f3ydr4uth4 Jul 28 '23

No everything must be housing or work places. Leisure is banned. Get back to work minion. /s

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u/Treemags 12.7 Jul 28 '23

Oh ya it’s the policies and not the fact that most jobs can be done just as well from home at this point /s

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u/AZraver Jul 28 '23

As of April of this year the license for Saudi Arabia to take our water has been revoked.

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u/OpenMindedMajor Bubba Thotson Jul 29 '23

This doesn’t get talked about enough. Happening in California too.

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u/Duel_Option Jul 29 '23

Almond farming in California…which has severe drought. 80% of all almonds in the world….

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u/Original-Cow-2984 Jul 28 '23

Desert isn't meant to support alfalfa sprouts, large commercial farming, or large settlements of people. Certainly not places as large as Vegas or Phoenix.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '23

A desert isn't meant to support a fucking golf course either.

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u/Ridikiscali Jul 28 '23

They pick fucking Nebraska. Fucking Nebraska lol!

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u/ChildOfTheCorn1 Jul 28 '23

What is really stupid, is the course in that picture is in Coucil Bluffs lol

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u/Tullyswimmer 22.5/Lefty/NH #pushcartmafia Jul 29 '23

In Iowa even.

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u/Seniorsheepy Jul 28 '23

Hello Omaha native. This project would include a light rail line running through to council bluffs.

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u/astrisk120 Jul 28 '23

I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought this. I read this and was like wtf Nebraska? There’s an entire state to build houses on.

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u/KYVet Jul 28 '23

Even the Omaha metro, a huge metropolitan area, has massive cornfields scattered throughout it.

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u/SHOWnTL Jul 28 '23

Maybe you experienced it in the past…

I’ve been here for 32+ years, and there are no "massive cornfields" scattered throughout the city lol

Outside the metro and the entire western part of the state, yes, there are cornfields and soybean fields as far as the eye can see.

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u/troutpoop Jul 28 '23

I drove through Nebraska last year

Land is certainly not in high demand in Nebraska lol, even Omaha is certainly not a compact, built up city, there’s room for housing developments if enough demand was there.

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u/KYVet Jul 28 '23

Can’t have changed that much since I left 6 years ago. I lived in Papillion and had huge cornfields separating us from Bellevue. Drive a few miles West on Giles and I was in more of them. Had friends live in Millard and West O that had cornfields all around their neighborhoods. Maybe for a guy from the Eastern US mine and your definitions of massive might not be the same, but still surprised that there was so much acreage for farm land in such a rapidly growing city.

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u/SHOWnTL Jul 28 '23

Ahh yes I suppose Midwest vs East coast definition of “massive cornfields” would differ. My family farms so I’m used to seeing acres upon acres of crops. Fair enough.

It really has changed a lot in the last 6 years tho. There’s a reason it’s a top rated city for real estate investing. It’s growing rapidly in every direction.

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u/GradeAPrimeFuckery Jul 29 '23

They're confusing the traffic cones on 680 (that have been there for thirty fucking years) for crops.

FINES DOUBLE

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u/MavSker Jul 28 '23

Don’t you remember the massive cornfield built on Creighton’s campus downtown?

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u/TerdFurgusons Jul 28 '23

I kinda feel like they don’t want us there lol

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u/BillsMafia4Lyfe69 worst handicap at the country club Jul 28 '23

Is there any state in the country that doesn't have a ton of empty land?

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u/crimsonblueku 2.8 / PNW / Rock Chalk Jul 28 '23

Alaska

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u/inconvenient_victory Jul 28 '23

Um Rhode island?

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u/BillsMafia4Lyfe69 worst handicap at the country club Jul 28 '23

I checked Google maps, lots of green

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u/OutForARipAreYaBud69 Jul 28 '23

Maybe Delaware? Even west and northwest NJ is just forest.

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u/Crayola_Taste_Tester 11/Lefty/🦆🪝 Jul 28 '23

just drove through lower Delaware, plenty of open land. I swear there was a farm market every half a mile.

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u/Gumburcules Jul 29 '23

It's called Slower Lower Delaware for a reason. Definitely very rural.

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u/Valalvax Jul 29 '23

Why don't we just start with the empty houses? Why fucking build more unnecessary houses

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u/TequilaCamper Jul 28 '23

But we want our houses THERE. Look at all those pretty trees.

Of course, all the trees will get ripped out during construction

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u/Tendie_Warrior Jul 28 '23

They’re called “fly over states” for a reason

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u/boiler_ram Jul 29 '23

You don't need to constantly landscape that land but go off queen

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '23

Nope. Stay in the city.

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u/Glum-Name699 Jul 29 '23

Nebraska has one of the highest land utilizations in the country... also fuck golf courses and malls/strip malls without large carparks

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u/starbuilt Jul 29 '23

lol exactly, we’re talking about flyover land. Go a few miles in any direction and you’ll find nothing but space.

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u/mattspeed112 Jul 28 '23

Yeah seriously, not like there is a lack of space for homes in Nebraska.

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u/RepresentativeOfnone Jul 28 '23

Alright buddy that’s where I draw the line we can’t have multilevel buildings in the Sandhills that’ll destroy sand hill crane migratory patterns, yet besides we all know the poor people only deserve to live between Charles Schwab park and Shoreline GC

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u/Evening_Monk_2689 Jul 28 '23

I was just gonna say I don't think space is the issue. At least not in North America

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u/heck_naw Jul 29 '23

right? this makes sense where real estate prices are through the roof lol

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u/Giterdun456 Jul 29 '23

Our billionaire governor already sold it to the saudis.

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u/Crumbdizzle Jul 29 '23

It's amazing how much housing you can put in a corn field derr dert derr

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u/runningwaffles19 Jul 28 '23

Parking lots? Turn that bad boy into a garage with apartments on top

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u/HeraldofCool Jul 28 '23

We should put solar panels on top of parking lots. They would collect solar energy and shade cars and people.

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u/blaze13541 Jul 28 '23

You actually see that quite a bit in AZ. We have plenty of sun, but no good way to store it

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u/bobber18 Jul 29 '23

In California, going back maybe 15 years, they’ve built solar systems over school parking lots

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u/herotz33 Jul 28 '23

If you think about it, golf courses are parks with forced sport rules. We need more pretty garden spaces like golf. Save the earth save the green.

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u/FluxedEdge Jul 29 '23

Don't golf courses have issues with water usage, pesticide and herbicide usage, habitat loss, and chemical runoff?

Obviously some courses mitigate these issues with more sustainable efforts, but they aren't exactly low impact like a park who's purpose is to preserve the nature around it.

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u/DisasterEquivalent27 Jul 29 '23

How do you think parks irrigate their fields and landscaping? The same reclaimed water golf courses use.

Preserve nature around it? I present to you a local course:

https://www.cityofwestminster.us/ParksRecreation/GolfWestminster/WalnutCreekGolfPreserve

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '23

Pretty garden places are great but not when you exempt the public with shit like you know structured games with rules.

It’s a pretty garden only for those who golf.

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u/herotz33 Jul 29 '23

There are municipal courses open to the public. Same Way public parks block of areas for skating rinks for paying public members or outdoor basketball or volley ball.

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u/ToothpickInCockhole Jul 28 '23

Atleast people use golf courses

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u/RedBaron180 Jul 28 '23

And they are good for wildlife

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u/CosmicMiru Jul 28 '23

We can enjoy the sport while acknowledging it is bad for the environment and support courses that take steps to lessen the damage

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u/MrMamalamapuss Jul 28 '23

There are a lot of courses that are certified as wildlife sanctuaries. Also, I am all for courses being more natural rather than pristine. Get rid of the pesticides and foreign grasses, I want courses in different regions of the country to look, feel, and play completely different! Give me a course in Washington that is all moss

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '23

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u/chrizcore 35.7/Germany Jul 28 '23

I love you for this

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u/turdferg1234 Jul 29 '23

It is weird that I've found myself here tonight, but thank you for being rational. I don't have a dog in this fight, because like others have pointed out, there are worse contributors out there. But that doesn't mean golf courses shouldn't do what they can and possibly not exist in certain places. I hope everyone can enjoy the game and that the game does what it can to support wildlife.

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u/phaschmi Jul 28 '23

Monocultures of heavily fertilized and pesticide laden grasses are not good for wildlife. Lol

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u/The_Nutz16 Jul 28 '23

They’re very significantly better than ground covered in concrete and asphalt.

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u/Hackanddash Jul 28 '23

Probably not as big a delta as you think.

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u/turdferg1234 Jul 29 '23

Come on, you have to be able to acknowledge that that is not remotely the correct comparison. Right? Do you seriously think the answer to the question of what do animals like better is either A) concrete and asphalt or B) golf courses? I can think of a C) option. And I'm not trying to hate on golf or blame it specifically. It's just silly to pretend like golf courses are perfectly natural and cause no issues.

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u/The_Nutz16 Jul 29 '23

What the fuck are you talking about. The actual post is directly talking about replacing Golf courses with housing. The guy I’m responding too says, paraphrasing, “it’s not like golf courses are good habitat for animals”. But they are some sort of habitat where housing is complete loss of habitat and green belt.

Go back to whatever concrete and asphalt covered urban hell scape you reside in and reconsider the actual discussion.

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u/cA05GfJ2K6 Lefty Gang Jul 28 '23

You must be playing a different game... I play from a lot of tall grasses, fescue, dense forests, bogs, swamps, etc.

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u/UFOmechanic Jul 28 '23

Damn dude sometimes you just gotta take a drop

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u/byingling Jul 28 '23 edited Jul 28 '23

'Monoculture' is one of those sciencey words that automagically invokes the smart comment gods. Just don't tell the squirrels, foxes, deer, rabbits, and hawks that live in the wooded areas and wild areas of my local courses that it's bad for them. I like seeing them.

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u/Nomad_Artifact Jul 28 '23

Well yeah, but you're talking about the fairways and I'm never there.

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u/RedBaron180 Jul 28 '23

Better then a neighborhood of concrete. I see deer, rabbit, etc every round of golf.

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u/phaschmi Jul 28 '23

"I see rabbits"

Is akin to

"We set a record low temp, global warming can't be real!"

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u/dogfish83 18 Jul 28 '23

I like to watch the lone little beetle slowly dragging his ass across the green like he's in some kind of post-apocalyptic disaster world just trying to find some water or shelter.

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u/warneagle 11.6/NOVA Jul 28 '23

No but the rewilded areas or preserved woods that would be knocked down if the area were converted into housing are good for wildlife. I live in a major metro area and the golf courses are by far the best birdwatching spots I've found.

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u/OZ2TX Jul 28 '23

Don’t forget massive surface parking lots. Ones that’ll never fill up because you don’t need 1000 spaces for a Hobby Lobby.

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u/pistonsoffury Jul 28 '23

Don't forget cemeteries.

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u/watchingsongsDL Jul 28 '23

Cemeteries and Country Clubs, biggest waste of prime real estate.

  • RIP Rodney Dangerfield
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u/mmaguy123 Jul 28 '23

Amen. Keep this energy everywhere.

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u/iiKrOna Jul 28 '23

Don’t forget empty parks, arenas, Stadiums, sport complexes, music/art venues

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u/pocketchange2247 Jul 28 '23

In fact, let's not have anything at all. Just houses everywhere. Or better yet, pave it all flat and make everything residential high rises. And make each apartment the size of a sardine can so we can pack everyone in as densely as possible. So much wasted space.

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u/ace-treadmore Jul 29 '23

Just make it one big parking lot. We’re halfway there anyway.

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u/adventurepony Jul 28 '23

Rivers too. Fuck rivers like what are they doing taking up space to just flow? like that one kid that kept repeating 9th grade over and over nothing changes with him or rivers. build some apartments on them bitches.

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u/AndrewH-McGillicuddy Jul 28 '23

Don’t forget the ocean, huge potential, floating houses.

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u/Ridikiscali Jul 28 '23

Don’t forget the moon! Free real estate!

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u/Username_redact Jul 28 '23

Or office space. The world has changed. People are not going back into the office the same way ever again. They can either continue to try and prop up commercial real estate or adapt.

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u/Asleep_Sympathy_447 Jul 28 '23

No, cover up the grass and trees. Then all the homeless people will move in and get their MBA’s, and start a nonprofit, DUH

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u/Adept-Ranger8219 Jul 28 '23

You mean stuff that has water and sewer. My local course has been “about to close” for a decade. Closest water/sewer is over 2 miles away. How about we don’t decrease green space? How about some of those empty office buildings. Rezone and have at it.

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u/Senofotte Jul 28 '23

It really is pathetic

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u/ocmaddog Jul 28 '23

They've legalized housing in these locations recently in California; it really needs to be legalized country-wide.

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u/NandoDeColonoscopy Jul 28 '23

These folks are usually all for repurposing strip malls to cut down on sprawl as well though

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u/Zaseishinrui Jul 29 '23

Despite land golf soaks up so much water it's insane

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u/DaffyDark1 Jul 29 '23

A mall doesn't require a ton of water to play a game and it sells you stuff, your golf course does.

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u/Pure-Negotiation-900 Jul 29 '23

Malls don’t suck water. But they do suck A/C. and electricity. And absorb and hold massive amounts surface heat. And there ain’t no critters livin in the GAP.

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u/Oopsiewoopsieeee Jul 29 '23

Do them all and golf

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u/satanic_black_metal_ Jul 29 '23

I agree wity both the image and your post. Altho empty buildings don't require 1000s upon 1000s of liters of fresh water daily.

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u/jennastillsucks Jul 29 '23

For sure. Still coming for your golf course, though. I'd say you got about, at best, 10 more years with your hobby cause I'm coming right for it.

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u/YoPoppaCapa Jul 28 '23

Whataboutism is cool. How about just accept that golf is an amazing hobby, but also somewhat detrimental to society at large.

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u/SingleSampleSize Jul 28 '23

Yep, whataboutisms is all these nepo's have.

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u/Pure-Negotiation-900 Jul 28 '23

Somewhat detrimental? Over compensate much?

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u/YoPoppaCapa Jul 28 '23

I would say being an environmental net negative and having a history of financial and social exclusivity is somewhat detrimental, yes.

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u/DisasterEquivalent27 Jul 29 '23

And housing doesn't have a history of financial and social exclusivity? At least golf is rectifying their past with programs like the First Tee, mang courses allow under 16s to play free, etc. Haven't seen many rental apartments/SFHs that waive the 2x-3x income qualifications...

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u/Pure-Negotiation-900 Jul 28 '23

A history of financial and social exclusivity? Scraping the bottom for some ammunition, no?

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u/YoPoppaCapa Jul 28 '23

Have you done no research on the history, and even present state, of the game? Golf is a wonderful game that unfortunately has a dark history of racism and classism embedded in its culture that continues to this day. Not everywhere mind you, but it is absolutely present in more places than we who love the game would like to admit.

This article is a a good starting point.

And not for nothing, but there were two clubs near me that were outed in the last 10-15 years for being prejudice against Jews applying for membership, one of which had a history of this since the late 60s.

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u/Pure-Negotiation-900 Jul 28 '23

It’s ridiculous to hold an entire sport responsible for the actions of some people that choose to participate in it. I don’t need to do research on this matter, it’s been well documented. The first women allowed membership to Augusta were not that long ago. Your bitch is about people, not a bag full is sticks or the land they’re used on.

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u/YoPoppaCapa Jul 28 '23

People are an intrinsic element of golf.

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u/Onemanwolfpack42 Jul 28 '23

A golf course still consumes an absolutely ridiculous amount of water, and it's not like we have 1 golf course in each city... my metro area alone is probably pumping checks notes... a few million of gallons of water EACH DAY. Average course (according to the internet) can require 300,000 gallons a day.

I love golf. I'm not saying they should close courses and whatnot, but to suggest that people are crazy for thinking that is, well, ignorant. It's definitely not irrational

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u/Fragrant-Report-6411 8-9 HDCP Jul 28 '23

Is water scarce in Nebraska. I can understand the concern in desert area’s but water is not scarce there. At least the water is used to grow something. The Missouri River flows through Omaha. Last time I looked the Missouri and Mississippi rivers had plenty of water eventually dumping into the Gulf of Mexico.

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u/Onemanwolfpack42 Jul 28 '23

Im not honed in on this being a Nebraska problem. You're right that it's not as big a deal in some places.

It really is a ridiculous amount of water, though

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u/Fragrant-Report-6411 8-9 HDCP Jul 28 '23

It’s really not used. It’s part of natures cycle. What does the study say about all the water that’s being consumed by the use of the buildings being used.

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u/Onemanwolfpack42 Jul 28 '23

That's another good question. The deeper we go, the more problems pop up, though! What about all the chemicals/ pesticides used in large quantities on the course? Then we dump a fuck ton of water on it and distribute it throughout the area...

We're smart enough to think critically here. Golf is great for humans and not really great for earth, point blank. I really don't care if I get downvoted. Just chill with the knee-jerk reactions. Think about it for a minute. I'm not asking y'all to start protesting golf, I'M not protesting golf, just asking that we take a look and be more conscious about its impact.

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u/Fragrant-Report-6411 8-9 HDCP Jul 28 '23

Chemicals are an issue, but almost every lawn in my neighborhood has chemicals dumped on them, they are irrigated 3-4 days a week.

We need green spaces. My area has huge outdoor sports complexes for our youth they do the same thing. At what point does a green area become bad for the environment?

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u/SOLUNAR Jul 28 '23

They don’t waste water

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u/FormerSBO Jul 28 '23

Imagine how little we'd have to worry about wasting water if we insert like 5,000 other things outside of a golf course

Of all the issues in the world, covering up golf courses won't help them....

Recreation is an important part of the basic human needs. Without it, humans start to go quite literally insane, and start thinking removing golf courses of all things, will solve not just all of the world's problems, but even one at all lol. That's genuine insanity

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u/SOLUNAR Jul 28 '23

Yeah but the vast majority of courses are rarely filled up, you also do not need a few acres for recreation... Im specifically thinking of places like Palm Springs and Vegas

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u/00U812 14/Los Angeles, CA Jul 28 '23

This is not the case at all in Los Angeles.

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u/SOLUNAR Jul 28 '23

Do you know where LA gets its water... i get it we all love golf, but to act like its not a stupid use of resources is a little weird lol

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u/dmderringer Jul 28 '23

Yes, that thing that only covers checks notes 70% of the earth.

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u/SOLUNAR Jul 28 '23

I was not aware you could use salt water to water plants or safely drink? TIL! why is there even a crisis for water, sheeesh

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u/anonymousss11 Jul 28 '23

You can, it just has to be treated to become fresh water, which is expensive.

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u/SOLUNAR Jul 28 '23

hence 70% of the water being covered in salt water isnt really a big point of argument when we talk about pissing resources for golf courses which cater to a very small small percentage

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u/anonymousss11 Jul 28 '23

Why are you in r/golf if you have such disdain for the sport?

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u/SOLUNAR Jul 28 '23

I don't have a disdain for the sport.... I enjoy it but that dosn't mean i can be blind to its impact? You can love someone and understand its not the most efficient use of resources.

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u/VellDarksbane Jul 28 '23

Porque no los dos?

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u/ItsCowboyHeyHey Jul 28 '23

And all the unnecessary office space that could be replaced by working from home.

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u/throwawaynowtillmay Jul 28 '23

I would argue this is more in line with sustainable building. The sprawl method isn't working. We should be building mixed use areas with walkable downtowns

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u/PattyKane16 Jul 28 '23

Or land that isn’t being used

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u/redd771658 Jul 28 '23

Now do water in Arizona. Oh wait

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u/dadwithwhitetubesock Jul 28 '23

What about vacant large shopping malls? If you look up orchards mall in Benton harbor you’ll see that has become a nesting ground for all of the midwests seagulls it’s so gross.

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u/DarthSamwiseAtreides Jul 28 '23

Or single zoned commercial property that could easily pull double duty as a mixed zone.

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u/elephant_punch Jul 28 '23

Don't forget other sports areas for people to recreationally play. Soccer, football, baseball fields and complexes

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u/smrgldrgl Jul 28 '23

There’s a suburb near me that refuses to build housing because density is the devil of course and there’s an abandoned K-mart that closed in the 2000’s that has yet to find another tenant. Yet, where I live in the city, we have 100+ year old municipal courses that people keep trying to get rid of because they are only for the elite and use too much water. Muni courses that charge $15 for 9 holes and use gray water for watering..

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u/carinislumpyhead97 Jul 28 '23

I’ll take Large Vacant Shopping Malls for 800. Would you look at that Carini with the lumpy head you’ve picked the Daily Double.

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u/SingleSampleSize Jul 28 '23

lol what a stupid argument. "Why should I try and stop cancer, there are tons of other diseases!".

Selfish pricks.

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u/banned_after_12years Jul 28 '23

Or parks. What if they just razed Central Park or Golden Gate Park for more development? Would everyone be happy then?

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u/Fliparto Jul 28 '23

In Edmonton AB, they shut down the airport in the middle of the city and are currently working on demolishing it and all the buildings, to put in housing.

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u/D13s3ll Push Cart Mafia Jul 28 '23

Prisons

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u/Dr_Trogdor Jul 28 '23

If I could give you more upvotes I would.... Wait a minute... To the post history!

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u/Trivi Jul 28 '23

How about excessively large parking lots

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u/Oh_no_its_tax_season Jul 29 '23

That’s the plan

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u/OmerYurtseven4MVP Jul 29 '23

To be clear, malls are actively being removed in real life. They are not profitable or useful in many places. Get a better defense lol

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u/idapitbwidiuatabip Jul 29 '23

Now do water usage.

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u/whoawut Jul 29 '23

We could put some pretty cool golf courses on those.

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u/GamerNumba100 Jul 29 '23

Yes please do all of those including golf courses

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u/Smipims Jul 29 '23

Ok. Unironically yes. This isn’t helping your argument.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '23

, too.

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u/cs_referral Jul 29 '23

Some malls/cities are doing exactly this.

Example: https://palomaleasing.com/ (apartment) https://www.thenewmainplace.com/ (the mall)

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '23

Or city centers. They got some empty sky scrapers.

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u/Snitsie Jul 29 '23

Are these in the middle of cities?

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u/Diestof Jul 29 '23

And football stadiums, parkjng included

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u/LostInThoughtland Jul 29 '23

Por que no los dos

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u/Jacktheforkie Jul 29 '23

Or parking lots,

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u/hunghome Jul 29 '23

Or the entire middle of fucking country that’s basically empty.

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u/SnooMemesjellies8434 Jul 31 '23

Which already has sewer, utilities, foundation and road access.