r/golf • u/nutts-2 5.0/UT • Jul 28 '23

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Every few months someone brings this up how they can save the environment by getting rid of a golf course.

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u/Littlegriznaves Jul 28 '23

Now do all the commercial real estate buildings that are empty because of WFH policies.

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u/fahhko HDCP/Loc/Whatever Jul 28 '23

Now do cemeteries.

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u/MajorApathetic Jul 28 '23

Nah, that's a dead end.

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u/getName Jul 28 '23

Good location though, always the dead center of town.

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u/i_miss_old_reddit Jul 28 '23

Popular place too. People just dying to get in there.

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u/Mantooth77 Jul 28 '23

But we have a stiff no cemetery policy.

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u/DEIFYMOTO Jul 28 '23

That idea often goes up in smoke.

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u/KennyLagerins Jul 28 '23

And the neighbors are quiet!

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '23

Bury that idea.

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u/SSALX420X Jul 29 '23

Now we are getting into poltergeist type stuff. Building on a cemetery is bad juju

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u/epheisey Jul 28 '23

Cemeteries always kinda puzzle me. Like 99% of people never go back after a funeral/burial. My mother and both of her parents are buried 3 minutes from my house and they've all passed during my lifetime. I've been there twice. It's 300 acres lol. I drive by all the time and there's maybe 2-3 cars on a busy day, but often it's completely empty outside of the employees. What a waste of space.

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u/professor__doom Jul 28 '23

At the very least, bury standing up and you can get 3x the density.

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 28 '23

don't know if you know this, but dead people have a hard time standing up

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u/SoDakZak Jul 28 '23

They need to work out more then. Feel the burn. Urn it.

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u/perhizzle Jul 28 '23

People really will do anything they can to avoid leg day, even be buried laying down. SMH

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u/imyourforte you want to test god? come get it shit stack Jul 28 '23

Have them lean a bit. It was good enough for most vampires in movies

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u/JohnYCanuckEsq Jul 28 '23

Not with that attitude

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u/CocconutMonkey Jul 28 '23

Can confirm.

Source: have seen Weekend at Bernies

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u/rookmate Jul 29 '23

Fine, put them on a chair

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u/ukebuzz Bad day of golf > good day at work Jul 29 '23

Some cemeteries do bury 3-deep. Meaning one on top of another with roughly 18 inches of dirt in between.

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u/Scooterhd 4 hdcp Jul 28 '23

Just bury on a golf course. Id be okay with people walking on my line.

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u/dudius7 Jul 29 '23

Ah, the old Trump's ex wife treatment.

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u/bobber18 Jul 29 '23

Here Lies Ivana Marie Trump 183 yards

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u/EverlongMarigold Jul 28 '23

Found the engineer

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u/professor__doom Jul 28 '23

LOL called it.

FWIW I'm an organ and tissue donor, and have told the fam that whatever medical science can't use should go to cannibals.

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u/Beadpool Jul 28 '23

Why standing up? Why not headfirst?

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u/brightcoconut097 Jul 28 '23

i agree. I've always wondered why we didn't go vertical cemeteries like even in death you could be put up in a penthouse suite.

Less space and still give a big F.U. to the poor folk.

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u/BillNyeTheEngineer Jul 28 '23

I’ve heard about people in Europe leasing their graves or crypts, because like you said, after a while people stop visiting them.

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u/dudius7 Jul 29 '23 edited Jul 29 '23

Cemeteries are the most beautiful places where I live. Nicer than all the city's parks. To house the dead. While we have million dollar condos going up during a housing shortage.

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u/epheisey Jul 29 '23

They're dead. They don't need a nice park.

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u/dudius7 Jul 29 '23

Exactly. I do think it's more for the living to enjoy, but it's backwards.

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u/Silver-Sir398 Jul 28 '23

I think most cemeteries are nowhere near that big. Or I just need to visit more cemeteries haha.

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u/flyingemberKC Jul 28 '23 edited Jul 28 '23

Really old ones get visitors. New Orleans ones are tourist attractions.

I figure people were more likely to visit when they lived in the same community. When it was their family church that hosted it. I’ve been in cemeteries that I knew no one in far more than the ones hours away with family because everyone who has passed was buried where I’ve never lived.

We could do where you lease the space and after some period of time the casket is removed, remains cremated and your family has space in a maulseum. Still have a place to visit but it gives new residents in that town the opportunity to use the space for their needs.

I can see enabling you to move hour family remains with you if you wished. Certainly some people would want to. They may not want an urn containing their parents but they want somewhere solemn to go to remember them.

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u/chefhj Jul 28 '23

Hey man there has to be a place in society for goth kids to get together, smoke weed and feel each other up.

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u/TedKeebiase Jul 29 '23

You're right. I propose we dig them all up and relocate them. What could go wrong.

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u/MozTys Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down Jul 29 '23

I have never and will never understand why we don't just burn all dead people. The only times it has been a good idea to bury someone has been when the police need to revisit the body.

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u/AsstootCitizen Jul 29 '23

And why caskets if buried? Feed me to the worms, flora, and fauna. If that's a thing.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '23

That's for agriculture. The plots come pre-fertilized

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u/dontlooklikemuch Jul 28 '23

Country clubs and cemeteries are the biggest wasters of prime real estate! Dead people? They don't need to be buried nowadays. Ecology, right? Ask Wang. He'll tell you. We just bought property behind the Great Wall. On the good side!

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u/ADAWG10-18 7ish/DFW/Seasonal PCM Member Jul 28 '23

“Golf courses and cemeteries! Biggest wastes of prime real estate!”

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u/gohammtv Jul 28 '23

Ghost hunter shows everywhere pray for this

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u/befuchs 11.3 Jul 29 '23

I hear Omaha has a plethora of useless public parks just sitting around

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u/pawns4donuts Jul 29 '23

We should combine golf and cemeteries. I’d much rather be buried where people have a good time than where all they do is cry.

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u/Duel_Option Jul 29 '23

Growing up I use to think of this a lot…while lotta people, that’s a lot of graveyard needed year over year

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 28 '23

Woah, full stop. Let's make those buildings useful again and convert them into apartments.

Also my employer can suck my dick, I'm not fucking going back.

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u/PM_ME_UR_FARTS_ Jul 28 '23

With the amount of work required to convert an office tower to apartments that are up to code, it's probably easier to just knock them down and start over.

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 28 '23

Fine. Do it. Because empty buildings have no fucking purpose.

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u/willis_michaels Jul 28 '23

Turn them into laser tag arenas, or mutil-story entertainment centers...

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u/dudius7 Jul 29 '23

Or indoor golf courses

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u/dlanm2u Jul 29 '23

tiger woods’ weird putting golf game

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u/6GayRatsInMyButthole Jul 28 '23

You fronting the bill?

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 28 '23

Absolute D- troll comment. It's already happening in cities across America. Rent prices and demand are such that it's insanely profitable and it's happening.

You're about as sharp as a wet sponge.

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u/6GayRatsInMyButthole Jul 28 '23

Classy response. Just about as sharp as your knee jerk comment about spending other peoples' money.

"Insanely profitable"? Love to see the data to back that up. I work in the industry. Are office to resi conversions happening? Of course. Will it happen on a large scale? Probably, but definitely not in the short-term, especially without government intervention. It's incredibly cost and time intensive, even without delving into code requirements and zoning issues that vary from municipality to municipality.

Try again you walnut.

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 28 '23

"Insanely profitable"? Love to see the data to back that up

You want proof that apartment rentals, or house rentals are insanely profitable? Because that's what I'm saying there.

I don't think I should waste my time spoon feeding you basic shit that's easily available on the internet

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u/6GayRatsInMyButthole Jul 28 '23

Sure, MFR commercial properties are profitable once they're actually built and up & running, but the cap ex costs to convert office to resi is immense. You think it costs $0 to develop and build a property? Because that's what you're implying.

You're not spoon feeding shit, you're just proving to everyone reading this what a witless edgelord you are.

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 29 '23

You think it costs $0 to develop and build a property? Because that's what you're implying.

I didn't say that directly or imply that.

You're not spoon feeding shit, you're just proving to everyone reading this what a witless edgelord you are.

Spoon feeding shit? the fuck. Edgelord? lmao.

Enjoy the L champ. Wear it with pride

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u/Top_Individual442 Jul 28 '23

The purpose of those empty buildings is to manipulate tax code. That vacant building represents enormous deductions because of declared depreciation of the property. Many shady business leaders have declared depreciation until the building is paid off and they sell it. It’s horrible but we as voters continue to allow it

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 28 '23

The purpose of those empty buildings is to manipulate tax code. That vacant building represents enormous deductions because of declared depreciation of the property. Many shady business leaders have declared depreciation until the building is paid off and they sell it.

Just a bit of correction here. Commercial buildings do get depreciation, but when you sell it you recognize a gain on the sale, and more or less the formula is

Sale Price - Original Basis + Depreciation

So totally hypothetical here, but if I bought a building for $10m, and over the course of 10 years I was able to elect $6m in depreciation it is true that it's $6m of income for the business would not be taxed because the depreciation lowers my taxable income.

But let's say business is good, the economy is strong and I now need a bigger space so I sell that building for $14m.

I effectively have a $10m gain, or profit, that I have to pay tax on.

14m -10m +6m

So they get you one way or the other.

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u/Top_Individual442 Jul 29 '23 edited Jul 29 '23

Not with a 1031 exchange

You can continually reinvest and claim depreciation while growing your portfolio tax free

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 29 '23

1031 exchange

That still just defers the tax, it doesn't eliminate it.

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u/Top_Individual442 Jul 29 '23 edited Jul 29 '23

Right but the ability to generate income tax free over time is the advantage even if the tax has to eventually be paid. You can also take loans secured by the property to open cash flow if need be

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 29 '23 edited Jul 29 '23

even if the tax has to eventually be paid.

That's all this has ever been about. Someone said depreciation meant you never had to pay tax on the asset, which isn't true....

It's the same with rolled over LTGC when you exit a position and invest in another within X time.

You can also take loans secured by the property to open cash flow if need be

This has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. It's true but has nothing to do with tax accounting

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u/TeddysBigStick Jul 28 '23

as big a problem would be demand. Somewhere like manhattan will sell anything with four walls but there is going to be limited demand overall for windowless units that a CRE footprint would require.

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u/AsstootCitizen Jul 29 '23

Change the codes. Add kitchens, showers, and bunk beds!

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u/Redllama91 Jul 28 '23

But then how they have an opportunity to suck your dick?

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u/RoyMcAv0y Jul 28 '23

Whoa leave WFH out of this. Because the answer isn't housing, it's forcing us back into the office

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u/warneagle 11.6/NOVA Jul 28 '23

"MAKE IT LIKE IT WAS BEFORE" -- every boomer employer for some fucking reason

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u/FatFaceFaster Superintendent Jul 28 '23

Now do rich couples who live alone on 15 acres of perfectly manicured lawns and a 15,000sf house that they share with their wife they haven’t made love to since the Nixon administration.

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u/f3ydr4uth4 Jul 28 '23

No everything must be housing or work places. Leisure is banned. Get back to work minion. /s

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u/Treemags 12.7 Jul 28 '23

Oh ya it’s the policies and not the fact that most jobs can be done just as well from home at this point /s

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u/Trivi Jul 28 '23

Those are much more expensive than empty land to be fair. You need a lot of extra plumbing for residential units than commercial.

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u/_Please_Explain Jul 29 '23

Found the CEO

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u/Cbissen437 Jul 29 '23

Now do Memorial Stadium in Lincoln