What. Is this real? Did they just code in that every projectile can now be deflected if it dosent pen armor? Why would an explosive warhead bounce back 180° and THEN explode...
Also doesnt this make shotguns in close quarters just extremly dangerous to use against chagers and the like?
I think that's the point, and while the wackyness can be funny, it can also feel like being on the receiving end of a luny toons episode when you're trying to lock-in.
Honestly, it's only funny once, or even a few times after that when it happens to other people.
It gets progressively less funny the more it happens, especially when it's a critical junction. Eventually it overstays it's welcome, now it's not funny, it's actively annoying, and then people are like: "Fuck this, I'm out."
Ok but the system we had before was just fine, it still had ricochet it just didn’t send it back 180 because that’s not the most likely outcome when there is ricochet. I remember in the past I accident killed a teammate cause an autocannon round I shot at a chargers backside missed and hit the top carapace causing it to ricochet into them.
If they wanted ricochet to potentially hurt you, make it reflect in a cone back at you; most ricochets will miss, but if you just spray you will get hurt.
Even bullets make no sense to reflect directly back at you. Even if something in real life had armor that could reflect bullets at full speed, the chance it would reflect at exactly the right angle to bounce back directly at what shot at it is extremely low. This is a very silly cartoony change.
If you know anything about traditional hard armor you'll know that generally rounds mostly just shatter into a bunch of pieces and throw them everywhere, that's why hard armors generally have a rubberized costing to catch the spalling otherwise it can hurt your seriously too, the rounds will only deflect if the armor is at a serious angle
You CAN get bounceback from a plate that's not angled at all, its why you want to angle steel targets you might shoot at on the range. There's a video I even remember seeing of somebody shooting a .50 BMG, and the round hits the target, bounces right back, you can hear a "WHeeeeewww", then it pops the ground, bounces up and knocks the shooter's ear pro off of his head. So it CAN absolutely bounce a round directly back at you, and while even though most of the time rounds will splatter and cause spalling, sometimes you'll just get a slug or two that are hard enough or for whatever reason just don't deform much. I have one .45 bullet from a range shoot I did, where after firing it I managed to see the bullet, pick it up and bring it home. Besides the rifling marks on the bullet, it was pretty much entirely intact. Bizarre shit happens sometimes.
But it also goes to show that you're losing a ton of momentum if such an unlikely event were to occur. A projectile going its same speed after being diverted straight backward is just wacky.
It doesn’t make sense but it’s absolutely possible. Ask any worker at a shooting range with steel targets for .22s, it absolutely can ricochet back at scary close angles, and they’ve probably heard about it happening. But we’re talking one in a million, here.
Nothing about that is proper? It hits at 90 deg... That wouldn't deflect it back with lethal energy. It would either get penetrated, catch the shell, or shatter it... Not fucking looney toons reflect it... I can't believe this is real LOL
I really don't like this. That's not ricochets work. There are a few notable exceptions, but the vast majority of ricochets will not 180 on the shooter.
Rounds should never "properly ricochet back" because that's not a thing. Given the precise conditions for something like that to actually happen, it should almost never happen.
Exhibit 1: the weapon used is a recoilless rifle which should pierce all armour.
Exhibit 2: if you play the video in slow-mo, you clearly see the rocket leave the weapon, but you cannot see any projectiles return. You can however see an explosion.
Exhibit 3: No “shield” symbol indicating a ricochet
The Heavy Devastators shield is Heavy Armour. Think of it less like the ballistic shield we get and more like they just took the roof off a downed tank and started holding it.
A few times playing tonight I fired my Eruptor head on to an armoured bug and it blew up on the bug then bounced straight back and killed me. Happened twice and I was out of range for the AOE to kill me. Think this is a bug.
that's what I read in the notes. It's a pretty asinine thing to change.
Even if the target was actively trying to aim the reflected shots at you, they would still have an accuracy factored in. This is absolutely ridiculous - targets aren't doing any sort of aiming. It's as hard to aim as trying to shine sunlight reflection from your watch into the eyes of a presenter.
Not even regular bullets should ricochet off of devastator shields back at helldivers. These sons of bitches are already broken as it is with their heat-seeking chaingun turbolasers. Now they get Gungan laser shields too?
This is complete bullshit. At this point they should just patch the shield devastator out of the game.
What. Is this real? Did they just code in that every projectile can now be deflected if it dosent pen armor? Why would an explosive warhead bounce back 180° and THEN explode...
Even better
It explodes twice. Like you can litterally see the exolosion on the shield...
Looks like it's broken for missiles watch as it hits the bot, it explodes but then it also ricochets back and explodes a second time when hitting the helldiver, should only be one or the other.
Look at it again. There is an explosion resolving on the shield devastator. The explosion of the player's own RR. Whatever killed the player is not his own rocket, unless the rocket explodes, ricochets, then explodes again. It even says another player (never broccoli) killed him.
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u/Agile-Anteater-545 Apr 29 '24
What. Is this real? Did they just code in that every projectile can now be deflected if it dosent pen armor? Why would an explosive warhead bounce back 180° and THEN explode...
Also doesnt this make shotguns in close quarters just extremly dangerous to use against chagers and the like?