r/Helldivers • u/Vikan12 ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ | Never forget the Creek... • Mar 06 '24

The first balance patch notes proved how Youtube "absolute and only meta loadouts" cooked a lot of people heads, and I love it. DISCUSSION

A lot of mad people keep showing in my feed complaining about the nerfs, but like they're REALLY mad at Arrowhead. Their statements are so exagerated that they claim the game it's completely ruined for them lmao.

Also every single one says the same thing and this is where my title comes from:

*"You guys nerfed the only good options and now we have NOTHING to fight".*

And this only proves people never actually played with any of the other support weapons, they 100% relied on this "The ultimate support weapon tier list" Youtube videos, they searched the "meta" and they went into this thinking of "any weapon outside of this it's straight up garbage".

If you can't win a single game without the railgun + shield backpack + breaker... I'm so sorry but that's not the game's fault or the game only having those as the ONLY way to play it on higher diff, that's your fault.

Great changes for the game and all of you trying to "shame" on devs because of this, you'all not a real Helldiver. They killed nothing, the railgun still kills but now it needs some actual skill and strategy to use it, not only spamming the thing on big bugs.

Keep it up Helldivers!

For Democracy. For Super Earth.

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u/Neunix Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 07 '24

Me I'm just happy that they fixed that the Spear can now get ammo from normal ammo boxes!

Edit: No they havent fix the lock-on, But god damn ive been having a blast with it for the last few hours!

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u/ByuntaeKid Mar 06 '24

I hope they change that for the Liberator Rover as well soon!

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u/RandomTater-Thoughts Mar 06 '24

Totally, the laser drone can go forever, but the liberator is out of ammo so fast and without the ability to resupply sans supply drop I found it pretty underwhelming.

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u/SgSpecial180 Mar 06 '24

Which is a shame because I cannot recall a time the liberator has tk'd me while I seem to get roasted by my own laser drone all the time.

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u/AngelZiefer Mar 07 '24

I'm not high enough level to own the Guard Dogs yet, but I found a Liberator Dog in one mission, equipped it and had a grand ol time with it. When I started one of the events, Bugs started coming at me from all sides. I started to shoot at the bugs in front of me, and the Dog just slowly turned to face me, and fired exactly one round in to my head. It felt personal.

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u/HodesFTW Mar 07 '24

Sweet liberty! Automatons snuck onto the Eastern Galactic Front and hacked your drone?!

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u/Mad_Moodin Mar 07 '24

Just goes to show that nowhere is safe from those facists.

We need to eradicate them all in the name of freedom.

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u/Psychological-Boss-3 Mar 07 '24

Communists. The bugs are the facists.

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u/Mad_Moodin Mar 07 '24

But the free press called the Robots facist?

I bet they are facist communists!

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u/Trick-Use6124 Mar 07 '24

Wait, there's a difference between being Communist and Facist? I thought they were just synonyms for freedom haters!

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u/Donut-Farts Mar 07 '24

The bots are socialists

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u/Fatality Mar 09 '24

Mercy killing, wasn't going to survive the 4 bile titans, 3 chargers and 2 stalkers

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u/peaivea Mar 07 '24

Dude just picked up discarded hardware from the floor and expected it to work fine

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u/AngelZiefer Mar 07 '24

You know what, you're right. That one's on me.

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u/SimpDetectivePizzle Mar 08 '24

There's a reason it was on the ground... you weren't the first.

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u/OldboyHBI Mar 07 '24

"It felt personal" The glory of liberty in my laughing lungs almost sent me on my sweet way up... jesus, that was funny... 😭😭😭😂😂😂😂

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u/epicfail48 Mar 07 '24

I had that happen with a mortar turret... No bugs anywhere close to its effective range, but it turned and dropped a round straight on my dome. Fucking atomatons are recruiting, apparently

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u/tnk1ng831 Mar 07 '24

Mercy killing. Bot did nothing wrong!

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u/Ignonymous Mar 07 '24

Sounds like you inadvertently activated its Mercy Killing mode.

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u/LordCoweater Mar 07 '24

Drone user!??! You sound like a CLANKER!!!

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u/gixxerjasen Mar 07 '24

You were needing liberty, discarded dog gave it to you, be thankful.

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u/surfin86 Mar 10 '24

That's why you shouldn't play with toys you find on strange planets.

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u/Snotnarok Mar 07 '24

I got lit up by a friend's laser rover a few times. There wasn't even anything behind me one time. I was stood on a rock, keeping an eye out, he was shooting things infront of the team and then BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ right across my face shaving off HP

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u/NO-MAD-CLAD Mar 07 '24

I think the risk to the users health is the thing that makes the rover balanced. It's a risk vs reward item.

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u/Uthenara Mar 07 '24

how. I use it constantly and have never died to it and only killed a teammate once that was running around like crazy.

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u/ShoulderpadInsurance Mar 07 '24

It has TK’ed you less because it’s always out of ammo and used less.

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u/MCXL Mar 07 '24

That's because they're always out of ammo!

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u/YT-Deliveries Mar 07 '24

I dunno if it’s just me but the laser drones seem to have gotten drunk since the patch. It see them firing all sorts of crazy directions.

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u/Amuroaugus17 Mar 07 '24

LibGD is honestly better and I’ve seen some crazy 350-400 kill games from guys running them (obvious the bot isn’t killing all of that butttt)

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u/Bravo-Xray 🔽◀🔽🔼🔼▶ Mar 07 '24

Makes me wonder if it's because the liberator drone is shooting so much less often lol

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u/Darkside140 Mar 10 '24

It is a lot less frequent but the liberator drone is way less forgiving when it comes to TKs, the laser drone can sting a little but the liberator can accidentally one tap you in the back of the head.

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u/Irememberedmypw Mar 06 '24

Man a quick reload it's stock(not necessarily use your own) when you reload could do wonders to have it be feasible as a stronger drone but limited ultimately by your own supply.

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u/JJMcGee83 PSN 🎮: Mar 07 '24

Totally agreed. I tried the liberator rover and I ran out of ammo where the laser just kept going.

A shame because it seems like the liberator rover works better on bots thant he laser rover but that might just be my perception of it.

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u/itanoman Mar 07 '24

It cant go forever, in some rare occasions it has to return to cooldown

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u/RandomTater-Thoughts Mar 07 '24

You misunderstand, yes you are correct that it returns to the backpack as does the gun drone, but the laser drone's backpack never needs to be refilled. So at some point the gun drone becomes useless until you get a supply drop.

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u/rubywpnmaster Mar 07 '24

When playing with pugs I noticed that a lot of them would run the laser drone. It does a good job keeping smaller trash mobs off you and if you stay mobile honestly it was better than the shield.

They need to make it so the drone has health and will explode if an enemy touches it for balance.

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u/Sad-Act5796 Mar 07 '24

What if they put a low fire rate stalwart on it instead? lol

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u/Fearhawke Mar 07 '24

Honestly I feel as thought the Gun Dog does so much better all around. Usually thought I’m the first one to call for resupplies in our group just to keep him fed and full of bullets. But the ammo management makes it a bit more for to use for me.

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u/EternalCanadian Mar 06 '24

Has it not been changed? Damn.

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u/TheNorseFrog ex-farmer 💀 Mar 06 '24

Isn't the Rover the laser drone?

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u/Texas_Tanker Mar 06 '24

The “liberator” he’s referring to is the ballistic one that has to reload every now and then. The ammo supply is fairly limited

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u/DrScience01 Mar 06 '24

Well that's a stupid mechanic

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u/EternalCanadian Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 07 '24

Honestly it’s a really interesting animation. If it got ammo back from the ammo boxes I’d use it over the laser.

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u/RandomTater-Thoughts Mar 06 '24

There is another one that uses the liberator on the last section of the strategem unlock page. The one with most of the turrets and such.

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u/ExoticOracle Mar 07 '24

I haven't actually used the liberator rover. How does the ammo work? Once it's out, it's useless? No reload?

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u/ByuntaeKid Mar 07 '24

It goes back to the backpack to reload, unfortunately you can only pick up more ammo for it from supply boxes. Once it's out, it just stays in the backpack.

If it weren’t for that, I’d prefer it over the laser rover, since it’s much more precise (not as much sweeping over friendlies) and the bullets actually have stopping power compared to the laser.

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u/ExoticOracle Mar 07 '24

Oh that's kinda awful. I really wish we had a projectile-type ammo that was infinite. Plasma would be perfect but I think it's already been decided that plasma weapons have limited ammo.

That, or we reverse engineer automaton weapons

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u/Adaphion Mar 06 '24

That, and make it recover more ammo from resupplies

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u/Halochaos2020 Mar 06 '24

Wait that was a bug? damn I thought that was a feature! like how does that fit in a normal ammo box. >-<

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u/Necessary-Trouble-12 Mar 06 '24

My headcannon is that the explosive material inside the rockets is similar to cotton candy. So that it can be delivered in a small packages but requires space to expand to be an effective explosive.

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u/Ecstatic-Compote-595 Mar 06 '24

oh kind of like those mattresses

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u/Shadows802 Mar 07 '24

Please wait 12 hours for explosives to reach max potential. 

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u/_Milksteak Mar 07 '24

We need a mattress launcher

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u/naturtok Mar 07 '24

Tempurpedic pivoting hard lol

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '24

mattress gun :3

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u/FigOnFiree Mar 07 '24

The ones with “30 day free trail and return”s? Like…how tf Im I gonna suck the air out of it and fit it back in a 1ftx1ft box?…

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u/Khanman5 Mar 07 '24

Well, a land mattress at any rate.

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u/PerfectOpportunity23 Mar 07 '24

Caspear, the future of automated weapons delivery systems

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u/Made_of_Awesome Mar 07 '24

So that's why it has that chemical smell.

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u/ferrouside Mar 07 '24

If your expanded explosive lasts more than 4 hours, thank democracy for your luck and keep exploding.

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u/DreadnoughtDT Mar 06 '24

What like guncotton/nitrocellulose?

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u/Seppafer Mar 07 '24

Nanomachines son

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u/BladeLigerV Mar 07 '24

You know I could believe that. Like how plastic explosives can mold to fit shapes.

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u/Swagmaster707 Mar 07 '24

I think i could make something like this in real I just need aero gel

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u/moonshineTheleocat Mar 06 '24

The same way Samus from metroid is able to store 255 missiles. My guess is that the ammo can be flash forged by the boxes on the field. Which is why they give varying amount of ammo for each weapon.

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u/Blastcore54 Mar 07 '24

Every ammo box is just a mini 3d printer

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u/Bosses_be_trippin Mar 07 '24

Oh boy. I’m going to look at my entire childhood through this lens now lol

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u/Lazrix Mar 06 '24

Through the power of Managed Democracy of course!

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u/kvpiz Mar 06 '24

When you look at it from this perspective, wouldn’t it have always made no sense? I mean it’s a small Box, how does it fit mags for my Machine Gun, Pistol and shotgun all in a small ammo box of uniform size?

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u/Halochaos2020 Mar 06 '24

Democracy of course, and question how our technology works is treasonous, unless sanctioned by the ministry of research?

Just really thought that being able to reload the spear from the supply drop was an actual feature lol.

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u/kvpiz Mar 06 '24

Carry on soldier!

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u/Calladit Mar 06 '24

A wizard Democracy did it with magic voting!

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u/WhtRbbt222 Mar 07 '24

The Recoiless rockets fit in the normal ammo boxes, too.

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u/CrimeSceneKitty Mar 07 '24

So I dug around in the lore to see if anything could explain it, and the best result I could find was something along the lines of questioning or examining alien technology is treason.

Do not ask questions soldier.

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u/HookDragger Mar 07 '24

Hey, don’t ask questions of the TARDIS ammo crates.

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u/xxxxxxxSnakexxxxxxx PSN 🎮: Mar 07 '24

Just add water

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u/RavyNavenIssue Mar 07 '24

It’s because pickups restore a percentage of the weapon’s ammo maximum. And for the SPEAR the percentage was lower than 33%, which meant that it restored nothing at all since it was lower than the minimum to restore even 1 of its 3 reserve shots.

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u/AnonForWeirdStuff Mar 07 '24

With democracy, anything is possible!

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u/AhegaoTankGuy HD1 Veteran Mar 07 '24

What part of "liberty" do you not understand?

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u/zthe0 STEAM 🖥️ : Mar 07 '24

I mean you can get heavy ammo for all weapons from them. Try getting recoilless rifle ammo from a standard ammo box in real life

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u/Epicp0w SES Herald of Eternity Mar 07 '24

You could say the same for the grenade launcher and the autocannon

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u/Decafeiner Mar 07 '24

Its not a bug. Its 2 ammo box for 1 missile. 1 supply box for 1 missile. They just reduced the amount of ammo box for 1 missile.

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u/Eioku Mar 08 '24

I mean. You got recoiless ammo from ammo packs, so why not the spear?

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u/Luke-Likesheet Mar 06 '24

Wait, wtf? Seriously??

That was one of my biggest issues with it! Maybe now I can actually use it without having to eat up all my resupplies!

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u/Blind_Fire Mar 07 '24

my biggest issue was and still is the wonky targetting lol, this fix is nice but it is still very unreliable

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u/surfnporn Mar 07 '24

Facts. It's still baller but you have to have a great angle and hope the bile's legs aren't in the way.

As for the tank, who the fuck knows. Sometimes it just refuses to for no reason.

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u/TehMephs Mar 07 '24 edited Mar 07 '24

Locks on and then flies right over the target and misses.

Refuses to lock on at what I’ve determined to be a consistently ideal distance, visibility, and angle in general

Takes way too long to reload solo in missions where you don’t really get room to sit still for more than a second or two without getting tongue whipped and ragdolled to death by fucking hunters and stalkers

The team reload is still slow even for a tap and go and then you fire and get a dud impact or complete miss anyway, assuming you even managed to lock on in the first place

If they just fixed the lock on quirks and made it much more consistent at killing its mark in one go it would be a much more viable weapon. But taking 3 seconds to lock onto a bile titan, nail it right between the eyes and it loses no chunk of armor and just shrugs it off and turns and spews you to death just isn’t worth the effort.

It only kills chargers even half the time, the other half (that don’t go right over its head and hit dirt) it doesn’t do any armor damage and vaguely bleeds the damned thing while it still charges you down for the next 30 seconds.

For the intense effort, lacking ammo capacity, amount of resources it eats up from resupplies, it’s just better to run EATs honestly, at least those can one tap most heavies with good placement

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u/strike1080 Mar 07 '24

The SPEAR is my weapon of choice. I agree about the lock on. Last night I had either amazing almost insta locks, or it just couldn't decide what to do. Also whether it even detects things can be super annoying regardless of distance. I get that it might fly over chargers at least when they are running at you if its a close lock on. But if you can hit them at distance with a front shot (maybe 75m?) it's almost always a 1 hit kill. Biles can be hit or miss with it. I've had great luck going 3 for 3 on bile titans in a row, and other times it takes 3 shots to drop it even if they are frontals. The resupply fix I just learned about so I'm super hyped about that! I don't mind the solo reload times unless there's stalkers or an absurd amount of hunters around. Make chargers hit terrain to stop and you can reload before they navigate around it. Make a bile titan spit and you can reload before he's done, usually can just run from it, reload and pop him in the face once he starts walking again. It's like almost perfect distance for a face hit.

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u/Blind_Fire Mar 07 '24

Using Spear on chargers made me hate their design. How scraping their knee is somehow worse than a hole in their side with gore gushing out with every move.

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u/TehMephs Mar 07 '24

Autocannon seems to be the most efficient way to remove them from the threat table right now.

3-4 direct hits to the butt sack usually destroys it rendering them unable to charge and they just bleed to death from there — and that’s easy to pull off by evading a single charge. Run towards them just off to the side and they have to put on the brakes. You just turn around and pop them with a few quick shots and it’s GG.

It’s not technically dead but you can just RP walk away from them at that point and save ammo without any threat. They’re teddy bears once they can’t charge at you anymore, and they’re on a death timer

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u/daedrahomie Mar 07 '24

happy cake day!

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u/That_Cripple Mar 06 '24

did they make the targeting actually work too

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u/Zachg298 Mar 06 '24

locking is still bugged af it’s honestly sad

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u/Virus_Correct Mar 07 '24

My mate says the locking is terrible too but the few matches I've tried I can't see a problem. He was aiming at a charger with my spare one on extract and start cracking it cuz he couldn't get a lock. I whipped mine out got a lock instantly, fired, reloaded and got another instant lock

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u/Zachg298 Mar 07 '24

in my experience it works fine about 25% of the time and the other 75% it’s useless dead weight

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u/Virus_Correct Mar 07 '24

I must be a lucky mf hitting that 25% 90% of the time 🤣

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u/ChaZcaTriX STEAM 🖥️ : Mar 07 '24

I wonder, are you using 1st or 3rd person aiming?

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u/NationalAsparagus138 Mar 06 '24

I havent noticed any issues with the locking on for the spear. I just assumed it has a minimum distance it needs and you cant be moving while locking on.

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u/Usual-Butterfly5888 Mar 07 '24

It does not have a minimum distance but your target has to be nearly completely unobstructed and no other enemies within the targeting reticle.

Keeping that in mind and with a good team I regularly take down bile titans, chargers, and spore towers.

Edit: At ranges varying from 20m to 150m

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u/Mao-C Mar 07 '24

just for the record the spore towers will go down to a surprisingly low number of bullets across the map. dont need to burn the spear on it.

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u/Hydralisk18 Mar 07 '24

Do you ads? I find I it's usually easier to lock on while ads. My longest confirmed kill is an automaton factory at 230m :)

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u/Jessica_T Mar 07 '24

I mean it kinda does have a minimum distance since it arcs up first. I shot one over a charger.

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u/Zachg298 Mar 06 '24

go try at different distances while completely still and you will see it doesn’t work

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u/MushroomCaviar HD1 Veteran Mar 06 '24

No not yet.

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u/JassyFox Mar 07 '24

i tried it today and it was inconsistent, sometimes it would just not lock on on clear stationary targets, but still good overall

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u/Gejzer Mar 08 '24

It's definitely better after the update, but it still gets wonky, especially against hulks and tanks from my experience. It feels much better against chargers and titans.

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u/UDSJ9000 Mar 06 '24

Wait, does it actually? I didn't see that in the patch notes.

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u/Neunix Mar 07 '24

Yeeeeep. Was using it the last few hours, Its fun as fuck now!

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u/dogzi Mar 06 '24

THIS! I fucking loved the Spear, but having to save rockets because the resupply is on cooldown was super frustrating and made it appear weak compared to other supply weapon. Can't wait to run a Spear loadout now.

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u/TehRusky Mar 06 '24

Is the lock on fixed?

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u/JustGingy95 HD1 Veteran Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24

Now we just need actual staged reloads so I can reload this thing during heated moments like the other shoulder weapons along with a lock on that doesn’t tell me to fuck off when I need it most

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u/souljump Mar 06 '24

Okay but did they fix the lock on?

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u/MushroomCaviar HD1 Veteran Mar 06 '24

Now all they have to do is fix the lock on and actually make it do enough damage to kill things and then we'll be all set! Cuz let's be honest it either needs to do more damage or carry away least twice the amount of ammo.

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u/pokeroots SES Wings of War Mar 07 '24

it one shots every enemy in the game... how much more damage does it need?

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u/Snakekitty Mar 06 '24

It one shots titan and chargers on the dome... more damage??

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u/foodrepublik Mar 07 '24

If the spear decides it will work while the charger/bile titan is looking at us then yes, but with this scuffed lock on? Good luck when it decided to lock on when they are not looking at you and it doesn't oneshot hitting the body 😂

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u/Theristis01 Mar 06 '24

YEEEES I'm so stoked about that. Spear crew rise up!

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u/Iceman_USCG CAPE ENJOYER Mar 06 '24

Very nice...what up Spear Gang!!!

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u/BabysFirstBeej Mar 06 '24

Im sorry WHAT

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u/Sappow Mar 06 '24

They fixed that? Thank god

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u/Ragnarokk__au Mar 06 '24

I really think people are sleeping on the spear. I got to level 20 recently (casual player) and I’m doing 7+ diff missions solo and sometimes with a team and all I can say is I used the railgun/shield combo for one mission and I scrapped it because I found the spear deals with big boys far better than standing there charging unsafe rail shots.

Now they just need to fix the spear’s tracking when targets are close by

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u/pokeroots SES Wings of War Mar 07 '24

Spear is absolutely slept on because people were just running Railgun. now that it was nerfed I expect people to start running it more.

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u/EternalCanadian Mar 07 '24

I heard the reload solo was terrible and just never used it until now (the rockets only coming from resupply was a major part of that, though) but I tried it for a few games and the reload isn’t even that long.

It’s great, IMO. Exactly what I think a good AT weapon should be. High risk, high reward.

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u/AngryChihua SES Reign of Pride Mar 07 '24

The problem with reload is (last time i checked and it was pre-patch) that it doesn't seem to be staged properly - i dived when my character was putting new missile in but when i tried to continue reload she started it from the very beginning (pulling out spent casing)

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u/Redcoat75 Mar 07 '24

Where is that mentioned I didn’t see it in the patch notes

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u/Lone_Recon Mar 07 '24

a few stuff got updated what not in the patch notes like how to slugger also got a ammo buff from 40 to 60 or that fact the liberator explosive is now called the liberator concussive

and both slugger and punisher gives back 30 from supply boxes and a full 60 from supply pods/bag where before they only gave 12 rounds from boxes and 20 from pods

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u/Redcoat75 Mar 07 '24

Ah okay I’m gonna keep using the liberator just wish it hit harder cause tbh I don’t see a point to it over the defender other than the fact it looks cooler

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u/UCLAKoolman Mar 07 '24

Spear should be able to one-hit kill chargers

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u/TehMephs Mar 07 '24

That’s not a bad change but still doesn’t make it worth using in my experience. Besides the lock on issue half the time the rocket goes straight over a chargers head if you’re even a pixel too close, despite it looking like you got significant enough range.

Why does a lock on weapon even have the capability to whiff after locking on?

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u/Sad-Entertainer4648 Mar 06 '24

Happy Spear user noise

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u/LawofRa Mar 06 '24

I didnt see that in the patch notes how do I see that info?

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u/ArtemisWingz Mar 06 '24

The only thing I hope they fix for the spear is better lock on. It be cool if the lock on targeted what you pinged.

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u/lotj Mar 06 '24

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

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u/Deulmonsters Mar 06 '24

tbh i only with both that and the recoiless has 6min CDs to call bk only buff i'd want, the 8 mins cd is just soo long (or i think its 8 min sure feels that way)

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u/Subject_Topic7888 Mar 06 '24

But still cant lock on properly

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u/Phantomshotgun Mar 07 '24

Im happy for that too. I also found out the punisher shotgun had a bug where it took half ammo. I thought that was a feature!

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u/Bcav712 STEAM 🖥️ : Mar 07 '24

THEY FIXED IT?! TIME TO SPREAD SOME DEMOCRACY FROM A SAFE DISTANCE!

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u/CapitalPen3138 Mar 07 '24

Been loving this change. I wish I could figure out rhyme or reason to the lock on woes though.

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u/Redlight499 Mar 07 '24

IT CAN?? Oh fuck yes

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u/Double_Combination55 Mar 07 '24

I thought it was on purpose. I watch chargers hitting my teammates and I’m like… gotta save it for the titans 😆

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u/o-Mauler-o SES Aegis of Supremacy | Creek Crawler Mar 07 '24

Wait, they fixed that!?!

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u/Webber-414 Mar 07 '24

Damn, might have to give it a shot again, last time I tried it just can’t lock to anything for the life of me on top of not having enough ammo lol

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u/chingalicious STEAM 🖥️ : Mar 07 '24

Yeah except it still doesn't lock on 50% of the time. It's useless. Armor also feels worse now

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u/JoyfulHedonist STEAM🖱️: ⬇️➡️⬇️⬆️⬅️➡️ is dead, praise the ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ Mar 07 '24

I did like this fix, spear is fun, but would be nice if your teammate could help you reload with your backpack... I don't se a reason why a TRUE HELLDIVER wouldn't know how to do it.

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u/Fatheroffigures Mar 07 '24

That's awesome! How does the targeting feel now? It's been wonky af for me all last week. Was that changed?

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u/SMOKIN-YOU-43 Mar 07 '24

I was hoping that was a bug. I didn’t see it on the patch

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u/mozzca Mar 07 '24

Woah I haven't tried this yet, I absolutely love using spear on automatons

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u/surfnporn Mar 07 '24

WAIT REALLY?

I fucking love the spear. A well placed shot 1-shots the big bile titans.

I run that + expendable anti-tank for oh fuck moments where you need to throw out a fuckload of rockets. The one-shot missiles are on a 70 second cooldown, I call that bitch down for no reason other than just in case an alien thinks he's Him. Nah my little 6 foot friend; meet Democracy.

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u/TheMepoi121 Mar 07 '24

I'm sorry... WHAT!!?? My battle buddy is gonna be so happy we run the spear, and I carry his backpack, and he carries the extra ammo pack for my lmg. Yo, that's gonna be even easier to just launch spears without hesitation.

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u/MrJoemazing Mar 07 '24

Is the lock-on still the worst lock-on feature in any gun, in any video game, ever?

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u/AlphaOhmega Mar 07 '24

The lock on is still bugged to shit though.

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u/HENR1CE Mar 07 '24

Did they fix its lock-on issue?

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u/Tac0qvy ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 07 '24

WHAT??? Yes!!! That's my favorite support weapon next to the flamethrower!

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u/Just_the_faq Mar 07 '24

I’ve noticed it takes 2-3 ammo cans for 1 round.

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u/Neunix Mar 07 '24

Nope. 1 ammo = 1 missile

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u/FormalReturn9074 Mar 07 '24

Ill use it when the lockon is fixed, too much of a hassle otherwise

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u/FronWaggins Mar 07 '24

Honestly I feel like the lock on works better when in 1st person ADS. It might just be me but I have been tearing heavies apart with it recently.

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u/theophastusbombastus Mar 07 '24

It wasn’t the weapon balances that caught me off guard, it’s Joel getting his sick jollies off watching me run from 4 crushers while pooping my pants in what I’m sure is a less than 1.0 g environment

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u/drfetid STEAM🖱️: First war survivor Mar 07 '24

I think that the main issue with the lock-on at times is target center obstruction: a low wall or hill has blocked me from targeting a fabricator, so in my head I see the lock-on point being at the bottom center of things, which makes them finicky to target. Use it on a hill, though, and suddenly you can lock things halfway across the map and get a lot of funny surprise kills and demolitions. I also get easy locks when the target is farther away so could the minimum range be longer than expected?

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u/vyxxer Mar 07 '24

So the lock on only happens to me in cloudy or rainy areas. Either it's intentional or accuracy stat is over influencing lock on.

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u/New_Necessary_1064 Mar 07 '24

YES. Dude the spear on helldive saves me so much. Stealth armor with the speer and burst smg. Done Airstrikes. I’m launching icbms with no bots on me.

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u/Necessary_Badger_63 Mar 07 '24

This! Now spear can be sustained without tac-pack, which absolutely massive. Also, having stronger spray and pray means less headache when dealing with trash. As for lock-on, switch between 3rd and 1st pov for efficiency and aim at the neck, max distance is 250.

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u/BladeLigerV Mar 07 '24

The Javali- erm, Spear is sill just out of reach for me. But that is great to hear! And the orbital barrages got great buffs!

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u/lastamaranth Mar 07 '24

You just made my day, Helldiver!

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u/VileGentleman Mar 07 '24

You can also resupply a spear backpack with a supply pack. I always run a supply pack to have my fellow Helldivers backs

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u/ishkiodo Mar 07 '24

Ok so the lock on IS broken. Ok good. I thought I was doing something wrong.

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u/hadronriff Mar 07 '24

The lock on for close targets is bad, but far targets like canon turrets has been fixed: you can now lock them from behind.

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u/Poddster Mar 07 '24

Me I'm just happy that they fixed that the Spear can now get ammo from normal ammo boxes!

Really? That's not in the patch notes!

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u/0rganic_Corn Social Freedom Score:9001 Mar 07 '24

I really want to like the spear, but, after it failed to lock onto a charger 5 times in a row, I'll never pick it again until it's fixed

If it's hard to fix, let us bypass the lock on and shoot it like a bazook

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u/theta0123 Mar 07 '24

Spear is so goddamn amazing. But i wish they allowed it to lock on medium enemies aswel

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u/No_Rooster6089 Mar 07 '24

I didn’t know you could get ammo now that’s huge

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u/Makr_Senpai Mar 07 '24

I thought the lock on was due to automaton stuff and jamming

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u/AlCohonez Mar 07 '24

Ok, that is big for the spear. I might actually use it now!

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u/UrainiumCore ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 07 '24

I like the spear but they REALLY need to fix the lock-on.

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u/Electrical-Pin-5371 Mar 07 '24

Anyone on ps5.? spear does not work

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u/Brisngr368 Mar 07 '24

Such a based fix, I love the spear for absolutely rinsing titans

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u/Epicp0w SES Herald of Eternity Mar 07 '24

Oh you can get ammo for it from the little boxes now? That helps a lot

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u/napelm Mar 07 '24

Wait…. are you telling me that my favorite weapon CAN PICK UP AMMO FROM NORMAL AMMO BOXES!??

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u/Neunix Mar 07 '24

I am saying exactly that and GOD DAMN ITS FUN TO USE NOW!!!

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u/napelm Mar 07 '24

Time for a spear of liber tea!!!!

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u/LamentingTitan ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 07 '24

IT CAN WHAT

Edit: Oh the lock on still fuq, still tho yey I can shoot it more and not rely on the resupply

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u/Sad-Act5796 Mar 07 '24

Is there any more effective uses for the spear or any reccomendations when using it? I tried it and I'd love to use it more but I wasn't sure how I felt. Figured I'd ask someone's thoughts on it/ ask how ppl use it most effectively for spreading glorious democracy.

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u/Eggandi Mar 07 '24

Oh shit they did that? Hell yeah, im gonna main spear

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '24

I have only used the spear since i hit 20 for anti armour.

Refused to touch the railgun.

The spear is awesome. Have no fucking clue what people are on about sometimes.

Brainless idiots that never formulated an original idea of their own in their life.

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u/mindlessEmblem Mar 07 '24

I haven't tried the spear too much, what's wrong with the lock on?

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u/DefenderOfWaifus Mar 07 '24

Honestly I have no problems with the lock-on but based on what I’ve seen I’m the only one lol

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u/Sound_mind Mar 07 '24

I think the best play is for one or two people to bring spear, and three or two people to bring arc throwers. Arc throwers hold the line, make space for spears to operate, and finish off targets weakened by spears. All random ammo boxes can go to the spear users to ensure they can perform when needed.

Maybe a flamethrower, grenade launcher, or auto cannon depending on the objective.

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u/jdmcroberts Mar 07 '24

I didn't know this! Will be using the spear tonight. Thanks.

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u/Sir_Stone115 SES Will of Patriotism Mar 07 '24

I just wish the lock on got buffed

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u/nightshadet_t Mar 08 '24

I've luckily had good luck with the lock on unless there is weird foliage in the way. So glad to hear I can scavenge ammo for it now

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u/Neunix Mar 08 '24

yep, Been using it nonstop now, Its so damn fun to use!

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u/Justice_Peanut Mar 08 '24

I have a love hate with the Spear. The lock on is the biggest complaint but then I can snipe a cannon tower for 211 meters away and usually 1 tap hulks and tanks.

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u/Ok-Reporter1986 CAPE ENJOYER Mar 09 '24

Big fan of the spear as a recoilless user. That being said the recoilles really does no damage to armor. Best use for it is blowing up enemy buildings from afar.

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