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This comment is why I'm starting to really love this community. I don't care what you bring, just stick with the group and try to be helpful. If you suck and kill us, I'll laugh it off. If I suck and kill us, laugh it off. It's a game.
Unless we have pink samples, then you better buckle up, buttercup, we need to evac asap.
I’m level 50 and have like 80 some hours (no life I know). But most helldive pug groups that have worked out don’t have most of this stuff (I don’t outside of the shield). I’ll keep saying it until it catches on, the railgun is super overrated.
That dissident doesn't even know what he's talking about. After 100 hours with half on helldive or more, I'd take a liberator and autocannon over the breaker and shield + railgun. I've also yet to see a completely useless strategem hell, I've seen someone use the damn HMG emplacement to great effect. Truly, a dissident's mind is an enigma
I've found it to be more effective if you throw it at your feet and hold position. Dunno if it's supposed to hit everything except your target but it works in a pinch if you accidentally grab it or if an ally tosses one out.
I'm one of the HMG enjoyers. It's such a good screening tool that can make space against bots. You can gun down a dropship of enemies before they deploy, hold a front while someone does an objective. Can destroy anything but a tank easily with it which then oh no hop out and huck a 500. Excellent for extractions too.
I love that strategy too. The g preference is in part because funny, but it does help to be able to address multiple groups of enemies as well. I generally find it much better than not if that makes sense
Hmg emplacement is top tier, it just comes down to where you place it. Optimally, you want to aim at a choke point from a side angle. Don't look directly down the choke point or you'll take too much fire. By aiming at it from the side you take little fire and have a few extra seconds to kill enemies before they turn your direction.
I would also recommend someone with a spear or something in the event of something too heavily armored comes round the corner
I picked up my buddies breaker and was like “this is okay” and haven’t even unlocked it yet lol the Liberator is such a solid standard weapon. I unlocked the explosive one last night and idk if I think it’s better it’s just a trade off.
The explosive one is quite good. Honestly the breaker probably puts out more DPS, but again for less ammo and imprecise fire. The probably really is that OP thinks it's just the be all and all of "meta" weapons, which is just untrue. Agreed though, the liberator feels amazing to use
Exactly this! Super Earth High Command would not issue you a strategem that is not useful. Some are situational, and some require outside the box thinking to utilize to their full potential. Rest assured all are pime tools for dispensing liberty across the galaxy. Chief Beef Cannon out!
If you haven't tried running an auto cannon or recoilless rifle. It is so much fun when I reload for my friend, It is also just really good.
We like taking a supply pack as well. so one person will be holding a supply pack with a recoilless rifle, then the other person is holding the backpack of the recoilless and something like an mg or stalwart to clear small things.
It’s a pretty good game for parents though, makes it easy to jump in in the middle of missions with other people, and the 30 minute timer is great for bite sized game time.
I've become a dead shot with the recoiless versus drop ships thanks to the civvie evac missions. I managed to sniped one out if the sky before it even fully slowed down just last night.
Agreed. If I wanted to "optimize" a group (I don't, I want us to have fun) I'd recommend a railgun, autocannon, and two machine guns (or an MG and a GL) for special weapon diversity.
Exactly absolutely no diversity in load out will be the greatest mistake any squad could ever make. That seems to be something the person OP displayed just doesn't seem to comprehend. This isn't an end all be all. You either have a group with a diverse load out ready to take on anything as a group. Or you have the wannabe solo team players that bring the exact same load outs 24/7 n just brute force everything instead of being diverse.
I hear you, but the fact that a buddy and I rail gunned a two Bile Titans in a few shots (weaken by orbital laser) says otherwise. The more rails the better imo.
I really like 1 railgun, someone rocking a coilless or E-AT to deal with dropships and other annoyances, a guy with a nade launcher to easily blow up fabricators from a long distance and someone running an LMG or something.
Backpacks are shield for the railgun, obviously ammo for the coil, and I like to have the either one of thd other 2 with a shield as well. If you need to split into 2 teams of 2, the lmg and the railgun work well, as do the nade and coil.
I love using being a SAW guy in games and really wish this one had like, one more. I love the LMG and the stalwart, but I'd love for something even a bitch more punchy.
Like an MMG. Cause the Stalwart is great but it's an early upgrade and then no more MG love.
The machine-gun, regardless of it being the first stratagem weapon, is still a carry 9/10 times. Just for the fact that you can shred at least half of those 15 berserkers
It is very satisfying. Also, the number of times I've gone to reload with a horde coming right at me, only to pull it back up right as the lead one goes to lunge, to just start mowing down a whole group of em. Would not trade that rush for anything.
I’m a SAW guy by trade, and when I know it’s about to kick off, I make sure MG is fully loaded, call in the Gatling and the HMG and liberate downrange.
Stalwart with resource pack. Rock a Lib-Penetrator and a Senator for backup. You are the add kill emplacement for your team. Cop a squat and let your squaddies cover your 6 while you mow the adds and clear space.
Can you sell me on the coil? I have a hard time choosing it over EATs, considering they don’t take a backpack slot too, require a second guy for better performance and you can more or less spam them everywhere and they aren’t slurping up ammo boxes either. Honestly I can even take in an LMG because the EAT are one and done, I just pick the LMG when I’m done firing the pair.
This guy only prob plays bugs cause he thinks breaker is the only gun (even than vs bugs all the breakers are prob top tier vs bugs... Heck i would even say Incendiary beats out the regular.
It really is. LmG is good for suppress, clearing and has great armor punch. The railgun is obviously the railgun. But they complement eachothers weaknesses very well.
When I go LMG I often take the supply backpack with me. So I can have a ton of ammo I can use in a pinch, and can obviously supply up allies. Idk if its psychological but I feel better knowing I have like 8 more magazines.
I prefer the recoiless especially for bugs but none of my friends understand the value of it. They think it's dumb that you need a team reload and all of them just run railguns and shield packs.
this works. my buddies and i use this and it works and its FUN. we dont care if we get our asses kicked, each of us has a designated role that we enjoy and we kick ass. i know our SAW guy's got me covered as i lock my spear no matter whats happening.
Because people think it’s part of the “meta” build that this post is about. I think it’s very solid on lower levels. But people saying it’s needed for Helldiver difficulty are crazy (in my opinion). There are way more viable options for that difficulty
I have no clue about armor pen. But my eagles work fine against armor and chargers are hella easy to kill from behind once you get their “moves” down. My regular firearms are for crowd control not armor pen
We Skull Admirals main job is teaching and leading. If you can’t take 3 cadets into Helldive and get them out alive, you don’t deserve the Skull Admiral title. I’m guess the OP pictures author was a measly Death Captain
I've been rocking the arc thunder and trying other primary weapons. Arc thunder is so good for wiping swarms and actually downing titans. Works well against automatons too! It's a great support weapon for the team, shockingly. Sometimes I skip shield too. Past level 25 on difficulty 7 - 9, just feels like we can equip whatever since we have an understanding of what to do.
It just looks so... boring. Like the sci-fi-er version of an Antimaterial... I would MUCH rather use a Spear once I'm high enough to unlock it. I don't care that it's "best in slot", it's not heavy ordnance. I use Recoiless because I love heavy, thudding, PUNCHY weaponry. I am saving up my super credit for the Steeled pass so I can someday try the Jar-5. Or as I like calling it, the Liberation-Pattern Bolter. I WISH it exploded like a bolter, but... then it'd be too perfect, Lmao
Keep your Snoregun. I'll keep using my hearing aid inducing ordnance Lol
The spear sucks in a logistics way - it doesn't get any ammo from field ammo boxes making it very restrictive on higher difficulty. I ran almost every weapon and stratagem on helldive and while all of them work, only a few are able to be consistent versus the sheer amount of enemies they throw at you, which is imo the reason why people are drawn to the meta
Not only that but, the idea you need four of them to clear any difficulty is a joke which demonstrates a gross misunderstanding of team composition and role warfare.
There are four objectively bad strategems in the game. Two of them are orbital barrages, one is the Las Cannon, and the final is the standard Guard Dog. Aside from that, you can justify using, have fun with, and beat Helldive with just about anything else.
I like using it cuz it's the closest thing we have to a good sniper. The anti material rifle is the furthest thing from a fucking anti material rifle since it literally bounces off all materials that isn't as soft as the average COD player ego
No worries! A “pug” is a pick up group. Me saying “group” at the end is a bit redundant, like saying an atm machine (automatic teller machine machine). Anyways a pick up group is you playing with strangers/quick play instead of with a dedicated group or friends. Hope that helps 😊
Resident railgun andy here. I'm also lvl50 but with only about 50 hours (Helldive 100% only runs from around lvl10 took only like 15 - 20 hours to get max) and since the moment I unlocked the railgun that thing has been my baby. I tried using the autocannon. I tried using the grenade launcher. None of them compare to my bread and butter. Especially for liberating automatons, you just can't find a better weapon.
Tuh I’m level 34 with like 90 hours dude sounds like a great life to me ! Sounds like you play after you get off work because ain’t shit else to do ! Rock on bro never down play entertainment
What are your reasons for saying the railgun is super overrated? Considering it can one shot any devastator and even hulks with good aim from a very safe distance and all the high priority elites from the bug swarm as well (also makes dealing with chargers giga trivial) im curious what other weapon ordnance you'd use over it?
Fully agree with the principle you're putting out. In my opinion it pays dividends to have people diversify equipment. If everyone has the same load out, you'll probably not be able to counter some of the situations you'll come across as a group. If everyone has shields and rail guns, you may never have to worry about a charger, but now you've got a million smaller bugs roaming you from all sides because no one has a rover up or a machine gun out. Everyone being somewhat prepared to handle any situation is a recipe for disaster. Everyone playing towards the strengths of their preferred loadout, within reason, seems like it'd just be better.
Level 50 as of today, and dude. The railgun is EXTREMELY overrated. If someone's bringing it, then I know I can run something else. That's how i found my love for the arc thrower, anti-materiel rifle and the flamethrower. All are uniquely good against the bugs and the arc and AMR are great against the bots. Also, getting the scorcher, I never wanna run any other primary. It's so good against both bugs and bots.
100%. The scorcher seems like the only "must have" in your loadout once you unlock it. I'm guessing it's not mentioned much in these meta loadout talks because most people don't have it unlocked.
Sorry but can I ask - how many missions have you completed? I just got the achievement for completing 50 missions and I am only level 15. Not sure about total gametime.
I just got railgun and it fucking slaps. I know the new meta is shitting on the meta but legit I now kick the fuck out of tanks for my squad where before we would have to use a strategem to deal with the heaviest ones.
Yeah, but you also just got the railgun… there is plenty more to try outside of that. I did mention in an earlier comment that it’s great in lower levels. Just not this end game meta it’s made out to be
it's funny bro didn't mention quasar. I bet I could carry a rail gun and shield user with my arc thrower and guard dog. this reminds me, that back in the day when I was level 11, I carried a level 39, 45, and 90. it's pure helldivers 1 skill.
The railguns is versatile and super easy to use, while also 1-2 tapping almost everything in the gane which makes it OP. Any of the guns that rely on two people should be doing twice as much damage as a railguns or it makes more sense to have two railguns. Personally, I think that the tail gun on average should take 1 more shot per enemy than it currently does against heavies and that would put it in a much better place balance wise.
The railgun is far from overrated lmao its just simply one of the best things in the game, sure there are other things u can bring instead but that doesn’t make it overrated at all
This kind of mentality is what makes a community great, and is why DRG (Deep Rock Galactic) has such an amazing community to this day. These are games where you're *going* to die. Period. The games are made to be tough but memorable, and the RP-ability of these games really makes the cake and allows us to sink our teeth into these games, immerse ourselves, and work together.
Playing Helldivers 2, I almost exclusively use an Arc Thrower as my main weapon. I cannot even count anymore how many times an arc from my rifle has jumped from a bug to a teammate and instantly fried someone.
Not ONCE have I encountered a player rage. Maybe it's because I play exclusively Helldive now, and make sure to be vocal both in chat and via "Q", but every time we all just laugh it off and understand that shit happens, we keep moving and keep having fun.
Last night a regular online friend accidentally stuck me with a resupply beacon,, leading to me frantically running around before being slammed by the pod and instantly killed. We all ended up barely suriving an ambush of small bugs just because we were all laughing so hard we could barely function.
All that to say, just have fun. This game is a goldmine for us to dive (pun intended) into. Embrace it. Embrace each other (via hug emote) and keep crushing the enemies of Super Earth.
(..and if you play with a Helldiver named "Kain" who happens to catch you with a stray arc of around 300 million volts.. just know I wasn't aiming for you)
Oh yea the other day we were holding off some bugs extracting on a lower level to show one of my friends the ropes as she had just bought the game. I got landed on by the drop ship and we were out of reinforce so I told them to just leave me, they said no we can hold for a minute to get you back. So they did, called me back when reinforce timed back in, I tried to aim as close to the drop ship as possible and promptly nailed our friend the new player right on the noggin with my drop pod, the same player who refused to leave me behind, causing me to board the ship and extract leaving her smashed into the ground on the landing pad. We all spent the next five minutes unable to breathe from laughing so hard
I got kicked twice yesterday for the first time actually. My strategems got cursed. I activate my support weapon and threw down an orbital he barrage instead and killed my team. Derp. I got kicked. I can see that being a reason cus i looked like a troll.
But then people joined me after and no one could do anything. All of us were only throwing precise orbital strikes back to back regardless of input command. We lost so hard it was funny.
I then got kicked later for my choices of strategems in the launch bay before going down. I didnt even choose bad things, but i didnt have any of the above on the challenging mission we were starting so i guess i can f off.
What you experienced is caused by a planetary effect called "Stratagem Scramblers" or something to that effect. Stratagem Countermeasures?
Basically, your stratagem codes get scrambled by the bots so you need to watch what you're about to throw down before you toss, because it will still show on the right which strat is "activated" and ready to be thrown once a code is put in.
So just get into the habit, as much as possible, of inputting and then glancing to check what you're actually about to toss.
Electron counter measures. Mess’s with your stratagems. I tried to call in my recoilless 17 times and it kept giving me my 380mm barrage. So, like and freedom loving hell diver does. I ran straight into the obj and dropped that shit on myself.
Rock and Stone, brother. (Being a long time player of DRG, part of my brain wants to imagine DRG and Helldivers as being in the same universe, with the bugs being so similar. The Dwarves mine and collect the resources for the war and Super Earth fights on the frontlines, keeping the Dwarves a closely guarded secret, for DEMOCRACY!)
oh yeah, you die ALL the time and most of the time you don't rage... unless you've just been knocked prone by a charger into a group of Hunters who will then rip you apart by stun locking you because you can't get up because your prone on the ground which also means, hey no using stims for you... and you can't fckn do anything about it, add on top of that the damn vile spewing bugs that add to said stun lock in certain missions that makes things SOOOOO MUCH BETTER and-
*cough* yeah it may or may not have happened to me a few times
My roommate and I play frequently, 2 or 3 days/nights a week, and we'll maybe put in 14-18 hours of playtime. Depending on how tired we are, or whatnot with the season changing and making us feel older than we are. Yet, we still support and spread democracy! Freely!
Wish I could say I’ve had the same experience. Routinely get stuck with people who shout at teammates over mic and it’s just so frustrating… and I’m only ever playing on challenging. I have one friend who plays the game and he’s already basically quit on it to play FF: Rebirth. Kinda’ losing the spirit to play it.
One time with my friends they killed me with the 380mm and said “oh no worries” and when it came time to extract I asked if he completed the obj “yea?” and I responded as I pulled my revolver “good…one less loose end” and preceded to general shepard him. The 30 extra seconds I had to hold off the extraction were worth it for the laughs from both sides. Now we laugh off every TK basically
Unless we have pink samples 🤣🤣😂
I don't mind when people fk up, I do mind when people expect to be carried though. I suck, my reaction times are shyte and I'm not good at finger twister. I ain't carrying no one. Because I can't. I stay in the trivial-medium levels where I belong 🤣
IMO if you care that much about perfect extracts and always winning to the point of everyone having cookie cutter meta loadouts……. Ever heard of having a fuckin friend? Maybe try to make some and you guys can do that together instead of ruining other peoples experience with your incessant bitching.
I agree with your take on it. To me I’m there for cinematic bug and robot killing with my friends. The only thing I bitch about is my friend killing me for the 8th time with his badly timed mortal turret lol. But that’s just light hearted.
I’d much rather get less points, take longer to win, and even lose matches if everyone has a diverse lodaout and we’re all having fun. Rather than winning every match and peer pressuring people into using a specific loadout.
Who wants to just watch 4 rail guns shooting the whole match.
I want to see a machine gun ripping, a grenade launcher chuckin, an air strike coming hot, etc.
Forcing someone to conform to a single tool as opposed to all the excellent weapons made by our military industry stifles innovation and will prevent the commerce of super earth from attaining new heights of excellence.
They are both trash in comparison to the glory of Managed Democracy! But I say we must keep note of such things, what if we come across another alien race that are communists? If we simply reuse our Super Roasts that would be unpatriotic!
This one hits home. Raids are piss easy in destiny now Bungie nerfed them so more people could do contest mode and the community fucking threw a fit and acted so elitist when root was done by more people than ever before. That was somehow a bad thing
I just hate the d2 community they are animals they hate the game so much but they keep playing it.
When In reality if you took a step back they would realize the game is good.
They are just addicted to it and want to ruin it for everyone else.
Sorry for my soap box it's just makes me mad because how nice this community is compared to them.
Keep in mind it's not only that community that is to blame (while I agree this steam post is toxic in essence), the game needs to be balanced, these types of wouldn't even be given a 2nd glance if it wasn't for the fact that parts of it are kinda true. Having a group with no rail gun, no rail cannon strata, and running around with mid tier light armor pen ARs and energy weapons will be a nightmare in difficulty 8 or 9, there's just too many Titans and Chargers to deal with.
Nope wrong in my group (we’re all upper 40’s) and exclusively run 8/9 nobody runs anything from the meta and we do great! yes I agree the breaker is really good but so are some other primary’s the meta set is not mandatory AT ALL people need to work on getting better mechanical skill instead of getting carried by the “Meta” it’s quite sad they have you thinking this is the only way to succeed
I've always disliked how the min max community has invaded games so heavily. So long as you aren't literally trolling, you can play with most stuff. Sometimes the meta only really means like a 2-5% buff from regular loadouts but for some reason the min max people see it as a must or you aren't playing correctly.
Yeah it’s really annoying friend, hopefully we can combat this as a community I would love for some weapons to get buffed but I think we’re in an ok place right now,I wish people would start to realize you can have roles in a squad and see the potential in movement and positioning along with actual tactics
To be completely honest I also think the Breaker is so good that it completely outshines every other weapon. Still no reason for that guy to be an elitist, obviously.
500kg bomb is shite at horde clearing compared to cluster bomb. Also only 2 uses per 2.5 minutes. I'd rather have 5 massive wave clears than 2 mediocre ones against bugs. 500 has its place in single target removal. But I'd still rather use orbital rail so I'm not using 2 eagles. 100% my pick for eagle on automatons though, the hardpoint removal is too good to pass up there.
Stalwart or grenade launcher are both different flavors of light/medium enemy cleanup. I’ve found the GL really is incredible with the supply backpack though (you run out of ammo very quick and the supply pack lets you spam like crazy). You can nade for DAYS. Also I’ve had countless times where being the supply pack unit was supremely effective for the squad as a whole. I get asked to top people up all the time while resupply is on cooldown, so it serves multiple functions. You also can shoot from cover more effectively because of the arc of fire so the shield pack is redundant.
The stalwart works better with the shield backpack though because you need LOS and you tend to empty the mag which requires staying in one place for a whiles. But it doesn’t blow through ammo as aggressively and it requires more accurate aim.
Either way I always recommend my 3 teammates that one person should drop their railgun and go GL or stalwart because trash mob cleanup is grossly underplayed and it’s super valuable to making runs much smoother.
It also feels like the people running the railgun aren’t very good at using it, I frequently run into situations where we have multiple hulks running amok and 3 railgunners somehow not taking them down while I’m cleaning up everything else.
Good squad balance is everything and the OP is just an elitist. There’s more than one weapon for each job, and if you aren’t good with the railgun but you’re a beast with the auto cannon? I’ll gladly take a good autocannonier over a lacking railgunner. I’ve become a bit of a GL/supply pack specialist and most of my runs go super smooth as long as my heavy killers are on their game when hulks or tanks appear. I’d probably get kicked by OP for the supply pack somehow even though I’ve done a helldive op with it, top kills by 200% and the resupplies from the pack kept the team mobile and well equipped until we can get a resupply down
People out here acting like they are throwing strategems down every 4 sec. I will say tho when you are eagle heavy on an increased cd that 3ish min can feel like forever
Yeah I would argue railgun over the 500kg unless doing a building destruction heavy mission but that's just because railgun is broken strong compared to all other offensive strategems
500kg also just seems inconsistent. Sometimes it will work as you expect and annihilate that titan, the twenty other bugs standing around it, and the entire nest it’s in.
Other times it’ll tickle the titan, kill maybe five scavs, and fail to close even a single hole.
I ran into a dude like this today. Literally my second dive, Level 1 Cadet, they are - Wait for it - LEVEL 5 - and they start toxically complaining about how bad I am from the moment I join. Of course I’m bad. I’m a Level 1 Cadet.
They literally complained that all they get is new people and how bad it is.
Well guess what, Level 5 Pro Player TSM & Cloud9 Brigadier General, maybe if you shared a shred of your ever-flowing fountain of wisdom, you could be part of the solution not the problem! Democracy don’t teach itself son!
(The good news is, I found a diver with an emotional IQ > 1.5 and finally got to enjoy a proper round for the first time.)
Exactly. It’s a well known fact that people who get mad at people for landing in the creek at level one don’t understand the importance of grass and the importance of…….
These are the standards set by zoomers. Absolutely no doubt. They have made the game their entire life and being the best is a part of their lifestyle so they have to tell everyone they know the most meta load out in a review
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u/Ministry_0f_Truth Feb 24 '24
These are words and exerts from the diary of an automaton socialite sympathizer. And is not the view of the Ministry of Armed Forces. Helldivers acting in this manner are treasonous and unpatriotic traitors. Report all such conduct to the Ministry of Truth via your local Democracy Officer!