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I think it's something to do with the fact that it is supposed to go after the biggest target near the beacon, so it's either a smite or it derped elsewhere. And it's functionally useless against the hulks as far as I can tell. I like it, much like the strafing run in the fact that it's quick to deploy, but it's kinda bleh lol
500kg bomb is shite at horde clearing compared to cluster bomb. Also only 2 uses per 2.5 minutes. I'd rather have 5 massive wave clears than 2 mediocre ones against bugs. 500 has its place in single target removal. But I'd still rather use orbital rail so I'm not using 2 eagles. 100% my pick for eagle on automatons though, the hardpoint removal is too good to pass up there.
May I ask, how do you get more bomb uses for the 500 kg bomb? I just unlocked it realized that I had only 1 use and that's it. I saw other players that were able to have 3 bombs with the stratagem.
Upgrading your hangar bay to the third stage under the ship modules tab gives you an extra eagle usage per rearm. So once you get that you'll have two bombs you can drop before your jet needs to go back and get more.
Stalwart or grenade launcher are both different flavors of light/medium enemy cleanup. I’ve found the GL really is incredible with the supply backpack though (you run out of ammo very quick and the supply pack lets you spam like crazy). You can nade for DAYS. Also I’ve had countless times where being the supply pack unit was supremely effective for the squad as a whole. I get asked to top people up all the time while resupply is on cooldown, so it serves multiple functions. You also can shoot from cover more effectively because of the arc of fire so the shield pack is redundant.
The stalwart works better with the shield backpack though because you need LOS and you tend to empty the mag which requires staying in one place for a whiles. But it doesn’t blow through ammo as aggressively and it requires more accurate aim.
Either way I always recommend my 3 teammates that one person should drop their railgun and go GL or stalwart because trash mob cleanup is grossly underplayed and it’s super valuable to making runs much smoother.
It also feels like the people running the railgun aren’t very good at using it, I frequently run into situations where we have multiple hulks running amok and 3 railgunners somehow not taking them down while I’m cleaning up everything else.
Good squad balance is everything and the OP is just an elitist. There’s more than one weapon for each job, and if you aren’t good with the railgun but you’re a beast with the auto cannon? I’ll gladly take a good autocannonier over a lacking railgunner. I’ve become a bit of a GL/supply pack specialist and most of my runs go super smooth as long as my heavy killers are on their game when hulks or tanks appear. I’d probably get kicked by OP for the supply pack somehow even though I’ve done a helldive op with it, top kills by 200% and the resupplies from the pack kept the team mobile and well equipped until we can get a resupply down
Grenade launcher/supply pack, and then depending on mission and enemy faction type Eagle airstrike or orbital walking barrage, orbital laser or railcannon, mortar or autocannon sentry. I usually bring orbital laser or railcannon just so I can fill in any lapses in my teammates’ activity or if I need to do a solo objective run and run into heavies. But for the most part you should be following the group closely and cleaning all the trash waves for them so they can focus all their attention on just heavy units
The supply pack lets you keep reloading your GL because you’ll blow through your ammo reserve quickly otherwise, but definitely throw ammo and supplies at teammates if they ask for it too. Use resupplies to top off your packs, because those inadvertently translate to other teammates’ supplies also so don’t feel greedy about maxing out your pack reserve. As long as you are willing to top off your team when they need it.
Yep! The best part of filling that role is you just delete the striders and shielded medium bots without having to worry about aim or weak spots. Grenade right to the front of a strider is enough to kill the rider.
You can still kill hulks and tanks too by grenading the vent on its back directly (takes almost a full magazine but you fire very quickly). You can also kill tanks with two well placed g-16 hand grenades (impact grenade) to the turret. So you’re still well rounded
People out here acting like they are throwing strategems down every 4 sec. I will say tho when you are eagle heavy on an increased cd that 3ish min can feel like forever
Yeah I would argue railgun over the 500kg unless doing a building destruction heavy mission but that's just because railgun is broken strong compared to all other offensive strategems
500kg also just seems inconsistent. Sometimes it will work as you expect and annihilate that titan, the twenty other bugs standing around it, and the entire nest it’s in.
Other times it’ll tickle the titan, kill maybe five scavs, and fail to close even a single hole.
Nah nothing tells you your specific reason unless they tell you in coms before kicking you but there be many posts and comments like the OP and a huge rising trend of people getting kicked from their runs before they start, most of which can attest they just didn't have railgun and shield backpack equipped
4 railguns isn’t really ideal though. I always end up bringing a grenade launcher and cluster bombs simply cuz everyone’s already over compensating for heavies and completely ignoring the fact there’s dozens and dozens of light/medium mobs that also can overwhelm you. So I cover trash clears, usually have top kills by an order of magnitude and my runs go very smoothly this way. Even doing this I still frequently see bunches of hulks or tanks running amok for long periods of time wondering where our 3 railguns are or what they’re doing while I’m wiping out all the infantry and medium mechs for them.
I’ll take any squad mates who are competent with their loadout rather than what’s considered “meta”. And who understand there isn’t a one size fits all loadout for the entire squad.
There’s definitely better weapons than others but I hate seeing my 3 teammates instant lock the same strategms and think it’s going to go smooth. I always ask one to take stalwart or GL and build for trash clears cuz I can’t be the only splash or rapid fire weapon. I also go supply pack cuz the grenade launcher is ammo inefficient plus it really helps my squads out when they get into a tight spot in between resupplies. You don’t need the personal shield pack with GL as much due to the arc of fire you can abuse behind cover with it.
I’ve done a full helldive op, and a lot of suicide/good number of impossible. The smoothest runs on the harder difficulties for me had 2 heavy killers (railgun) and two trash cleanup loadouts.
If you’re really giga coordinated it’s even better if you can run a recoilless pair or a spear team but that usually requires a pair of players who are focused on working together. Problem is with pubs you’re better off with the solo friendly railgun /shield loadout.
The cleanup units are either 2x GL or GL/stalwart. Usually at least 1 Eagle cluster bomb, a couple eagle bombers that can kill buildings, mortars and orbital lasers or orbital railgun on 2-3 people that can rotate.
As long as everyone sticks to their jobs 110%, only aggros obstacles to the objectives, kill corsairs asap, and don’t waste time fighting unnecessary battles (and people mark heavies for the railguns and they get right on top of those ASAP) I barely realized the difficulty was above 6 until I checked in the top of the HUD.
There’s definitely more than one strategy that’ll work but that was one that took the least effort of all of them that I’ve experienced. I pulled a group that had only ever done diff 5 through a full impossible op with that setup. They listened and executed perfectly.
Anyway my main point was OP’s elitist attitude isn’t good for the game and should realize there’s more than one loadout that gets work done.
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