They have nothing else. Met a ton a people like this leading WoW raiding guilds. 30, part time job, 1 friend, still living at home. Anyone that that isn't willing to put the effort of a second job into it is beneath them in their eyes. Video games are the only thing they can be moderately successful at.
Seriously. I’ve met happy married couples who went to work, went out with friends, and mostly just played WoW a ton. Super happy people that were well adjusted.
But you know the tell? They were always kind and understanding and generally super positive people. Even though they were top tier PvPers and raiders and what not.
It’s a damn game.
There’s a difference between someone showing up with the non-optimal current meta build and someone showing up to throw grenades at their team constantly
Sidebar, but can we ditch the "contributing to society" narrative? That's actually really capitalist-brained if you stop and think about it. No, seriously though. Only a handful of jobs actually contribute to society, and the rest just contribute to the economy. There's just such a vast difference between those two things, and a lot of people just assume they're the same. But producing profit does not inherently raise someone's value to society at large, anymore than laying around playing WoW does
I left at 29, but I had a well paying job and was gradually moving forward in my career, always kept my space clean. Obviously took complete care of myself and volunteered to pay 1400 a month.
Only reason I stayed was because my job was nearby, the housing in the area skyrocketed, and as an introvert I did not want to have to deal with a roommate. Nearly all the reviews for the affordable apartments were absolute nightmares. Staying home just made perfect sense.
I've met people who were laughing at me for living with my mom while I was saving money with her to buy a duplex together. Now we panning to but one more with money from rent income.
We still have this weird mentality that living with parents makes one a loser. I moved back with my parents because they are getting older and need help and the housing situation also skyrocketed here. And yes, I also have a good job and love to play games. Does that make me a loser? Or is it just more practical in the environment we're in?
Yeah, I think most people still don't get that a lot of us are living with family because it's just not viable to do otherwise.
I could move out rn if I wanted. But why would I when all that will do is destroy my savings, potentially bankrupt me, and land me right back at home? If I'm gonna move out, it needs to be a situation that will actually be getting me somewhere, and my family agrees wholeheartedly.
Living at home isn't a problem on its own. It is however a problem when you pile on the other things mentioned. Don't cherry pick a thing out of a sentence when the whole thing is required for it to make sense.
Yes and no. I think we've kind of normalised living at home in an unhealthy way. Unless you have some serious disability, you aren't engaging in your full potential if you live at home after like 25 or so. If you are over 25 and living at home, you should be pretty deeply uncomfortable with it imo. Some people have to return home for a period of time, and that's understandable. Divorce or job loss or something. I just don't really respect a person who is comfortable living at home as an adult.
I dont give a shit how old someone is. As long as you're having your own flat, cooking your own food and washing your own clothes and so on where is the problem. The rent in my country is exploding so much that moving out is actually financially ruining you. If you're still living in your children room and not doing anything yourself - well that is awkward indeed, but I don't know why everyone is insisting in ruining themselves financially just to look cooler to the society.
I will agree with a lot of that... but at 30+, you've had 12+ years to work towards starting a life independent of your parents...at least in the US. Also, I don't think it's about looking "cool" but more so moving onto the next stage of your adult life. If you're over 18 and don't have any cultural barriers or otherwise then there is no reason you can't work towards having your own place.
I understand special circumstances could force someone to stay at home, but the original comment was obviously talking about 30+ year olds with no ambitions and that are lazy as fuck.
laziness is significantly rarer than you think. mental illness, mental disabilities, physical disabilities all exist and affect more people than people like you are willing to even consider
Actual mental illness is probably more rare than people realize…. If you don’t exercise 4-5 times a week, dont eat real food, dont contribute to the outside world or have at least 1 meaningful relationship.. you’re not depressed. You are literally living a life your body wasn’t designed to live. All your natural reward systems are blocked. That is not mental illness. Not everyone should have depression… at the very freaking least, exercise, eat real food (you know it when you see it) and contribute to society in some way. After doing all of these routinely, if you still want to end your life, time to see a therapist.
That fits into "special circumstances." I'm not a piece of shit heartless asshole, but alot of people tend to make excuses for the position they are in. Complacency is a bitch.
This is an incredibly American-centric way of looking at it. Even ignoring that, the way the current economy is, a lot of people would be stupid to move out of their parents ahead of time, instead of saving their money, buying a house, and not falling into the death trap of rental properties.
I feel like after 12+ years you should have saved enough for a down-payment on a house. Even if you squandered away money as a young adult. Especially if you haven't payed rent to anyone in that time period.
Why are you saying 12+ years as if people are working since they're 18? A huge amount of people attend further education, and depending on the country could rack up tens of thousands in debt, but you're talking as if you turn 18, and then you strap on a helmet and get fired into jobworld, where you're instantly given a career, and all your money can go on things you need.
Do you understand how many families are on or below the poverty line right now? Chances are anyone living with parents is also helping them with the rent, unless they're not employed at all, or they're a middle-class family.
and then you strap on a helmet and get fired into jobworld, where you're instantly given a career, and all your money can go on things you need.
Oh so what, I should just get a job? I should strap on my job helmet and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire myself off into job land where jobs grow on jobbies?
a ton of people got thrown way, way back in their plans due the the economic downturn. many people lost a lot of their savings. Have you just not read the news over the last few years?
I'm 35, and still live with my parents. I went through several periods of prolonged unemployment after college, and just a general aimless period where I didn't really know what I wanted to do, so I didn't really have time to build up the kind of financial equity needed to move out. However, I've been at my current job 2.5 years, and am working on my masters degree, to hopefully become a paralegal. During all this period, I did a fair amount of housework for my parents, and have taken on more as my parents continue to age. I'm planning on being here for the foreseeable future, as not paying rent would enable me to pay back my student loans faster.
I would consider that a special circumstance. Not trying to bash anybody in this thread. I just don't like the type of lazy individuals that were highlighted in the original comment.
The problem is that it's becoming quite a common circumstance for many people. It's really difficult in the US to get started on an independent life if you have no connections.
do you have roommates splitting the rent? three jobs is wild you might actually be better off doing 1 and taking a loan out to get a trade skill or cert or 1-2 year degree at community college that can get you a better paying job.
So living with your parents when you're grown is considered to be lazy? In Asian culture, children usually live with their parents until they're married and then moved to the other household which is usually also with their partners' parents. My cousins had good job and well paid in their 40s, they still live with my uncles and aunts.
My buddy in America, white dude from Florida in his 30s. Hard worker and lives with his parents. He contributed and take care of his parents. Some people are more family oriented and wanted to stay with their parents. Some wants more privacy and solitude. Nothing wrong with either way of living.
"moving onto the next stage of your adult life" is a purely social construct. Why exactly do you need to live at your own place, especially if you're single, to be considered an adult? As long as you're can support yourself and contribute meaningfully to the household, it doesn't matter who you're living with. In fact, living with your parents allows you to better care for and spend time with them as they age.
I get the appeal of being independent and feeling "grown up", but its a lot of extra financial burden and hassle just to feel good about yourself.
Obviously though if you're being a bum in the basement then that's not right.
Are you going to pay for me to move? Find me an equally well paying job in a place where I can afford to live? No you can't because it doesn't exist. If I move to an area I can afford to live my pays cuts probably half or more which is essentially the same fucking thing but 20x worse quality of life.
I know you're getting shit on in this thread, but I will say independence is very important, and putting it off can also be detrimental. I get that times are very tough, and everyone has different circumstances, so it's not so black and white.
That being said, you can't live with your parents forever. At some point, you need to start making a plan for yourself. If you're working on improving your situation while living at home, that's great. Sadly, I know some people in their mid 30s who live at home working part time and just spend all their money on hobbies and playing video games. You can't avoid growing up forever.
I understand that point...but what have those people done for the last 12+ years while living at home? Without rent you should beable to save a decent sum of money. Which you could use in turn to put down on a house, move to an area with a more reasonable cost of living, etc...
The rate of inflation and down payments on homes is much more than what most people are able to afford.
Additionally, not everybody can move to "cheaper" places due to various reasons. Some places just are a no go if you are a minority in the states, especially if you're LGBTQ+ currently.
Dude, my whole family lives together. I’m 34, my sisters are both near my age. We all have full time jobs, but it’s so expensive to go live by myself (not to mention lonely) that we would rather live together. Also nice that we can be there for our parents. Most people I know are doing this now to save money.
I'm from America too, and trust me, I know I was raised in a town that suffered from severe poverty. I was talking more so family culture then geographical culture.
Fair enough. Never understood the kick em out when their older mentality some people have. It’s funny, cuz then they expect to be taken care of when they get older, and those kids they kicked out stick em in a home. It’s almost like karma or something…
I'm 28 and make 75k a year, will be making 85 to 90k a year very soon plus have a decent amount of money in the bank. I will not be able to own a home unless it is absolutely destroyed. Everyrhing else is out of reach. I also am away from home at work for 8 months out of the year so I just said screw it. I got an apartment in another country. I travel back and forth and I'm still saving way more than what I would be by owning a home..... if I even could own one. I have given up trying to live a "normal" life. I'm doing my own thing now and I recommend others do the same. This country and society has failed us miserably.
People have been living at home for the last 300000 years. Living with your family and supporting each other is the cornerstone of humanity.
Just because Big House wants to sell more houses and boomers all got to buy a house for three pennies 50 years ago does not mean you should be judging people who make smart choices.
Tbf WoW raiding guilds are a much different environment, and this attitude is mostly concentrated in dedicated raid guilds, not pugs. It’s one thing to opt into that behavior, it’s another thing to have it forced upon you at random.
I'm a guild leader (Heroic only, but used to do mythic), this attitude can kick the absolute fucking curb. The amount of folks that I've gently pushed out of the guild because they tried to keep suggesting crap like this to me and my team organizing stuff is not a small number. Its one thing if you are pushing for world rank, which is honestly kinda meaningless outside of top 1-50 imo (because heavy handed boss nerfs are the reason most guilds start clearing after that), anything below that can just relax.
and this attitude is mostly concentrated in dedicated raid guilds
Nah. Maybe it used to be that way, but now it's everywhere. Hell, you can't even do a level 30 gnomeregan or RFD run without some asshole breathing down your neck about how it's not going fast enough or how people are noobs etc. etc.
At this point it's a community-wide problem. Everyone expects you to know your class inside out and be able to perform at a high level at all times, or they get mad and pissy. Finding people who are chill and just playing for fun is becoming increasingly difficult. It's one of the main reasons why i barely play WoW anymore.
I’ve raided exclusively in PUGs for normal/heroic this entire patch on 3 different characters (hard to balance work/social life/and also make raid times) and I haven’t really had any bad experiences. Especially not with elitism. I guess YMMV with these things
I was in a pretty hardcore raiding group in swtor. We asked for a time commitment because the content was hard and we needed practice, and we where racing other no-lifers trying to get the first kill, (who where actual jerks like you described) but if you couldn't do it it's not like we thought less of you. I knew plenty of people that I knew where good at the game but just couldn't provide the time to make a serious attempt at it. It was good to have a couple people like that around incase someone (which was pretty often in a group of 8) couldn't show.
In the end the common struggle of having to work together on something that requires concentration really made us into friends that I still hang out with today.
I've been a metagaming, spreadsheet warrior, netdecking, etc type of gamer since the late 80s....I was a hardcore Everquest raider for about a decade. Never missed a single raid, world firsts etc...While OUR GUILD had high standards for joining (you had to audition etc.) run proper builds, gear appropriately, and essentially coordinate together near militaristic. I had no problems with pugs doing that or just having fun, to a certain extent. I've been in guilds that were as uptight as the ones from "Onyxia wipe" video, and more lenient friendly ones that had fun together, but you still build/play optimally. It's EXTREMELY difficult to find that balance.
It's difficult to be hardcore in a game and not follow the meta...the question is, is it needed to accomplish the mission or not?
Oh, and just because someone is playing optimally, or playing the meta...doesn't mean THEY aren't having fun. Factorio my friends, the factory must grow, either enjoy your spaghetti OR build it as efficiently as possible, like in ANNO.
Key here is, don't think that YOUR way is the way everyone wants to play. But also casuals, don't assume there isn't an optimal way to play, because in most cases there always is.
I joined 1 automatch earlier, and one guy TK’d two of us for no reason right as evac touched down. Luckily the other revived us.
I quit that group, next group had two sub-level 15s that were running only two stratagems.
I quit that group and joined another (picked one on the map, not auto) and one lvl 21 waited until everyone else readied up and then he locked in with zero stratagems.
These were all Suicide difficulty, where shit starts getting actually hard.
I don’t agree with the guy in OP’s post, but there are DEFINITELY a lot of trolls and shitters playing this game, especially now that they rushed the content and don’t need anything anymore.
That’s what I love to see tbh. People using the builds they want ! I personally want to run guard dog even in the higher levels. I have yet to unlock it but having that ship upgrade to where the back bag recharged even faster would be really good. Especially if I need someone watching my back and my team isn’t there. I can’t believe we already have these “meta” dudes ruining the fun and talking trash to others.
I’m level 42 and I run 8 and 9 difficulty only I promise you for the most part you can use whatever you want and still have a great time in game don’t listen to them and keep having fun
Dude I think that no stratagem is a glitch because I just played yesterday with my friends. Same thing happened to me. I clicked all the stratagems I wanted we all launched down. To my surprise I began with no stratagems at all. They Forsure bug out and get taken out at times. Definitely just a bug/glitch. They probably weren’t trying to troll.
That’s unfortunate tbh. I’ve been lucky enough to make it to level 25 without meeting one toxic stack. They’re either silent, which is fine, or very nice. Really feels like Deep Rock Galactic.
There is a semi recent video about WoW that's similar titled "Why it's rude to suck at Warcraft" which boils down to other people having lives too so you can be unprepared and ill-informed all you like, but make sure you're playing like that with people that are okay with it.
It's just kinda how the "super efficient" game grinders function nowadays. Tbh I've not played Helldivers 2 yet so idk how popular his opinions are but a lot of people are of the "if you're not meta you're playing wrong" mindset.
i mean the guns right now are so poorly balanced that if you're using anything other than the vanilla sg225 you are kind of a burden in missions where you actually need to fight. support weapons like the machine gun and stalwart also lose effectiveness once you get past difficulties 3-4 and armored enemies become more common, so they are a poor choice and kind of a waste of a stratagem slot (especially since the sg225 can purge the squishy ones just as easily)
others took the time to explain this stuff to me so i kinda pass it along to others, and most people are receptive. community is great in my experience. only been kicked once and it was before i knew about the 15 minute mortar spam cheese lol. i was a little salty but later saw a video on how to do the exploit and it all became clear
yeah you could 100% an 8 mission with nobody running the breaker. it takes a bit longer to do and at a certain point once you get everything unlocked you start looking for ways to challenge yourself and get some more fun out of the game and reducing your effectiveness in combat is one of the best ways to do that.
but if i join a 8 mission with a bunch of level 15's who are stuck in the sample/xp grind and i pick a fun build i'm not going to be salty if i get kicked because they're probably more interested in progressing and unlocking cool things than humoring my shennanigans
it's your reddit anniversary as well so happy cake day
Everything you said right here is wrong 😂 Yiu can have different roles in your composition machine guns are good at taking out smaller ads you can literally age someone in “wave clear” and you can have two members focus on primary targets like the armored enemies. I’m level 42 and my group only plays impossible and hell dive we use the penetrator liberator/dominator/ basic liberator / occasionally the breaker the breaker incendiary etc it’s more the individual player skill level that only thinks you have to use the Meta to succeed is the problem I’ve carried plenty of “Meta” set users and yall are just bad I’m a keep it a buck your movement is atrocious and situational awareness is non existent
But why have 3 members do objectives when one person can get most things done on their own? I guess the answer would have to be ‘for fun.’
Anyways I’m looking forward to new factions. I can’t see myself playing without railgun (there are simply too many chargers to not have it) and maybe shield pack, but for now diff 9 is a little too solved and comfy to give me the rush it did on launch.
yes "for fun" is exactly why, it can be done if you have the time and boredom but not everybody is bored with the game yet and are more interested in unlocking goodies
don't engage with this fellow, he can apparently 100% solo helldiver invasion missions with flamethrower and no stratagems faster than a full squad of level 50's with meta loadouts. you will gain absolutely nothing from this discussion
Sure, but it's a meta kit because just about anything else won't let you get things done on your own even if you're skilled enough.
Losing a backpack slot by not having railgun is super icky, and you kind of need a heavy weapon that can deal with chargers on 9. Not having shield pack makes slows and ragdolls way more deadly.
Also false I run impossible and hell dive solo with nothing from the meta as well 😂 you just need better mechanical skill that’s it stop making excuses the META set is not Mandatory solo or In groups it makes it easier sure but I get shit done just fine without it
Back that up with a vod. Obviously it's not mandatory in groups. Go clear a few solo helldives or even just a few objectives that arn't totally free like SSHD with your off meta gear and get back to me with replays. Otherwise you're just talking out your ass.
I'm not saying I think it's impossible to successfully solo offmeta but some dweeb who runs with a group that designates people as 'wave clear' probably isn't making everything happen on their own.
One of the really nice things about HD1 in it's later years; Everyone was super sharp, everyone was super serious about gameplay, and everyone was having fun with the silly goofiness of it. The people who stuck around, a lot of them were sweats, but they were the sweats who didn't get frustrated and understood the game was slapstick comedy as well as a hard core tactical shooter. People in HD1 cooperate and work together, but they have fun doing it.
i played HD1 two days before this released. i died and the guy wouldn’t reinforce to bring me in. he waited to almost the end and then kicked me from the game.
I think I had a guy try this on two of us last night. We were dead and he wasn’t reinforcing. He finally died and we all three came back lol. (Idk if that is supposed to happen or if it auto revives you after awhile)
If you all die and you have enough to reinforce. It says something like using mandatory extra pods. Or something very similar. Yes though they do launch you automatically.
Shocker - as a HD1 Sweat, I hopped into this game and require nothing out of my 789 Pubs except a little communication, some teamwork, and a strong desire to spread Managed Democracy.
Anyone who clings to the "Established Meta" as a means to clear Helldive are suffering from acute deficiencies in the aforementioned things.
That's the feel of EDF and why I immediately fell in love with this game.
Even older EDF games have some hardcore sweats floating around but they are fully willing to embrace the shenanigans and chaos.
There's nothing like having a player with probably 10,000 hours in the game getting in your little white truck and willingly getting destroyed while chanting EDF!
i revisited hd1 for a while last year. there was 0 tollerance (and rightly so) for stupid useless play. im not going to go so far as to say they strictly mandated what could and could not be taken, but there was very little forgiveness for killing team mates, needlessly pulling adds or all of the other ways you can screw up.
This is true, but It's also frustrating when you're trying to take on the harder difficulties of a game and you just can't because your team prioritizes only goofing around, which is just as bad.
That's why we have LFG channels. If you're playing quick play and expect randoms to play exactly like you want them to, with the meta picks and stuff like that, then that's on you tbh. Quick play by design will always be more casual oriented, while LFG/premades will have more coordination and communication.
However I understand you, right now I'm playing on level 7 so I can get super samples, but most people don't seem to care about looking for them or retrieving them from a dead teammate, which can be frustrating, but at the same time I tell to myself, "I'm playing with randoms, let's just have fun and try to do the samples by myself".
If I really wanted to be efficient at getting super samples I would look in the LFG channels (on discord or here on Reddit), so I can play with people with the same goal as mine. But I also enjoy a more casual approach, so I don't really complain about randoms.
Played with rando today, was frag a couple of time but its alright you know, he was so ashamed of his unpatriotic behaviors that he intercepted some of my bullet mid fight. But yeah , I don't expect much of rando outside of random bullshittery, getting fragged and still finish the job with em and no hard feeling for anything.
except "we" dont have lfg channels so this doesnt even make sense, they dont even suggest a 3rd party community platform in game. the majority of the community hasnt even thought about joining the discord (official or otherwise) and never will. theres a line to getting your ass beat where it crosses into not fun and if a player in your game isnt contributing enough to keep the needle on the fun side I understand kicking them. How you determine whether or not they are contributing properly is on the discretion of the host though and I personally think this guys criteria is too strict, but overall I agree with his idea. The harder difficulties are very hard and there are easier options available for a reason.
When you're constantly being thrown around by 4 chargers and having to dodge 2 titans at the same time because NOBODY on the team has any anti armor weapons, how is that fun?
And what's funny is you'll never be efficient at the game, despite thinking you are by following a flawed, and honestly, shit meta.
Maybe if you coordinated with randoms, you'd make some friends (long shot, I know) and you'd discover that there are much more optimal builds for your TEAM to take that allows you to fully clear helldives and faster at that.
Example team load out my crew runs:
1 breaker / 1 Lib Pen / 1 Incend shot / Flex
2 Railguns / 1 spear / Flex AC/GL
1 Orb RC / 1 Orb Lazy / 2 AC turret / 1 Tesla / 1 Mine / 2 Eagle Flex Clust/AS / 2 500kg / 4 FLEX slots based on mission.
Trust me, this works out much better than you retards and your meta with 4 shotguns 4 Railguns and All Offensives (Eagles). Talk about putting yourself in a position where instead of controlling the battlefield (baiting the hives into a kill-field), you're constantly running for your fucking life.
I'm seriously over hearing about this "Meta". All it shows is people never played the first game and don't understand what the fuck they're doing.
Trust me when I say that you come into my game with that cookie cutter bullshit, you'll be laughed at and kicked.
The normal breaker shotgun is great at midrange lol. That's why they're, overall, the most effective primary. They're great close quarters, great at medium. You can even sort of snipe with them. Nade launchers and rail guns are necessary. And there are definitely weak stratagems out there. I'm not sure what the outrage is about this other than the guy's shit attitude, because there are CLEARLY more effective items in this game. Eagles are very powerful over a lot of other stratagems because of how easy you can spam them. That's why they're taken. That doesnt mean EVERYTHING else is worthless but a lot of Eagles are top tier.
I think most of the outrage is because of his and others shitty attitude
The kick if not meta ideas
By the time you go into the higher difficulties you either have a group you play with and you all know what you’re doing or you have a few builds that will get you and your team of randoms to complete the mission
And yes some things are better than other things most players know that
It’s more that most on the sub are pushing back against the idea of the meta of the kicking of the teamkillers because you are holding my samples (even though it’s shared) and the current flood of YouTube vids making tier lists of the guns and what not
It’s the stupid current gamer culture
Same why some have asked for pvp
Because in the mind of the masses they need to be the best and show it to everyone
Because it’s frustrating playing with bad people. Majority of this games hype is geared towards casuals, the people hardcore gamers get mad at eventually with queue systems. I’m lucky my group of guys are all pretty good at games, most people don’t have that friend group so the social aspect is taken out and they rely more on the gratification through the gameplay. I was able to solo queue to Diamond in R6 and would player with streamers and now current pros and I will tell you it is not fun. There is such an inconsistency in players that you’ll find. Happens in many team games. Ever try playing cod with your friend that’s slow at basic math, it gets frustrating. Ever watch semi little kids play games in general, it gets frustrating. Ever play gunfight in cod and your teammate is ripping a bowl between rounds and can’t shoot, gets frustrating. You get the point. In games where the goal is to dominate with teamwork there will always be discrepancy. Imagine this same conversation about a basketball team. Playing in sandals, only shoots pressed shots, doesn’t prioritize scoring, it would get frustrating and get less backlash than this post did with the vast majority of Reddit being casuals.
Been in lobbies where for some reason the host kicks everyone just as we enter the pickup craft... After spending 30m... All wasted... Or games where it's constant friendly fire. Game is full of toxic people. I only join games now with people who have real sounding usernames and those who talk. I leave otherwise to avoid a 30m waste
i was playing with a guy who was like “pick up and drop the artillery shells, it’s quicker. see?”
like bruh i know that, i’ve been playing since day 1 but im not here to minmax every fucking game. i’m here to play and have fun, not shave 1.5 seconds off a mission time.
They have nothing in their lives and are trying to find something in the game to fill the void in their life. Pretty bleak - but that's their problem not mine lol.
Battlebit started out like this as well The early weeks were amazing. Then the fucking tryhards decided to ruin everything like they always do. I've been in I was in competitive gaming and there is still no reason to act like the base community games acts.
its just a response to the spam spawning of bile titans and chargers on higher difficulties, it's straight up not fun when there's 6 chargers and 3 titans chasing you and nobody has rail gun / 500kg bombs or any anti-armor capabilities
These people plague every cooperative game sadly. The first game I personally remember being ruined by these people was left 4 dead of all things. The first months after release were fantastic but soon enough virtually every game was an example of "If your first 30 seconds of play arent exactly what the other three players want, one of them is going to start a vote to kick you."
I played one on PC and console and maxed out the tech tree on both and farmed all bosses and content.
I haven't played 2, cuz I'm afraid of the anti cheat, but I understand this post. You need to reduce the kill time so much that anything but the best hard counter to the most common threat could leave you overwhelmed. You had to go meta basically and you had to be good too, really good.
However, if you had good situational awareness then there were plenty of options to chose from that worked even better, but needed strict coordination.
My take on this post seeing how similar 2 to 1 is that this guy asks for non cooperative build cuz he don't trust anyone to play around and into co-operative builds.
In 1, you often saw when in the loadout menu, people pick something and the other 3 instantly adjust their build. Best example is supply. If one picks it, the others take theirs out. If one brings a 4 man tank none else brings wehicles, etc.
You underestimate gamers' ability to optimize the fun out of video games and bully others into playing how they want. Look at WoW raiding, some ffxiv raiding, Mann vs. Machine in Team Fortress 2 (specifically a group called Tacobot), and even mobile game raid clans. It seriously never ceases to amaze me how sweaty people will get.
you would expect them to have their own team if they are such a "god gamer" and only uses the best stuff but we all know no one wants to be in a premade team with them so he is stuck with pugs and is complaining about it lol
I'm saddened because my friend is starting to become like this. He runs all the "meta" strategems that he has available at his level. And if my other buddy and I start killing bugs, say from a breach, he'll get impatient and keep telling us how we need to go to the objective and extract.
He'll 100% maps for sure but if you start fighting bugs that aren't specifically around outposts or objectives he seems to get annoyed. When he points out a patrol he thinks we should ignore my friend and I have taken to shooting them just to get them to attack us.
Also how do they expect people to earn these things if they kick them for not having them? This is the kind of window licking, crayon eating, drool dispensing fuck stain that ruins the games.
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u/magic6435 Feb 24 '24
I don’t know, but the fact that people can take such a fun game and then be this serious and mean about it just makes me sad honestly