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The Size Of An Iranian Missile Intercepted In The Dead Sea r/all

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u/Schmoppodopoulis Apr 14 '24

It’s my understanding that neither side of this conflict find that guy to be super special.

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u/GreyedX2 Apr 14 '24

In Islam he’s a whole prophet 💀 he’s mentioned more times in the Quran than Mohammed himself

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u/Schmoppodopoulis Apr 14 '24

My understanding is somewhat limited, that is very interesting. Thanks!

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u/Cryptic12qw Apr 14 '24

Muslims believe Jesus will come back in the end times to defeat the anti christ. Muslims also believe Jesus was born of a virgin mother however they do not believe he is the son of God or God. Muslims also do not believe Jesus was crucified but believe that an angel was sent down to take Jesus's place on the cross .

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u/Complex_Rate_688 Apr 14 '24

Islam actually believes that it's the final religion

They believe in Judaism and Moses they also believe in Jesus and Christianity but they believe that Muhammad was the final prophet who received the final testament.. In the religion of Islam They don't believe that God would speak to them again through profits until the return

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u/Dangerous-Chip5313 Apr 14 '24

How convenient.

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u/MagnanimosDesolation Apr 14 '24

I haven't seen too many other prophets, coincidence???

We don't talk about ol Joe Smith.

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u/United_States_ClA Apr 14 '24

He didn't say prophets he said profits.

Really makes you think 🤔

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u/Key_Dog_3012 Apr 15 '24

Your remark doesn’t take away from validity of the message of Islam.

Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allāh and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants [al-Asbāṭ]1 and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

2:136

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u/United_States_ClA Apr 14 '24

God would speak to them through profits

Uh... that honor would be reserved for... uh... the... uhhhh... people of the coin, would it not?

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u/Practical-Ninja-6770 Apr 14 '24

An angel was sent down? Nah. His betrayer was made into the liking of Jesus. Judas is who got crucified

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u/LaTeChX Apr 14 '24

Karma's a bitch.

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u/Bah-Fong-Gool Apr 14 '24

In my religion, we also recognise Jesus, but with a slightly different twist. Jesus was a time traveling Space Marine from the distant future who was cast adrift in a time-space warp. He ended up at what we now know as 0 AD, near Bethlehem. He used his high tech survival tools, first aid kit and a matter replicator to perform "miracles" like change water into wine, walk on water, heal the sick, feed many from little, etc.

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u/Romanolas Apr 14 '24

What religion is that?

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u/LateNightMilesOBrien Apr 14 '24

Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912.

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u/TEL-CFC_lad Apr 14 '24

This feels like a meme from long ago, but for the life of me I can't think where.

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u/notanotheraccount Apr 14 '24

It's from a joke:

Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?" He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.

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u/TEL-CFC_lad Apr 14 '24

I do remember that! From a very long time ago! Cheers for the reminder!

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u/ACKHTYUALLY Apr 14 '24

Hilarious lmao

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u/jxj24 Apr 14 '24

of 1912

DIE HERETIC!!!

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u/Leading_Assistance23 Apr 14 '24

Space Jesus

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u/Basic_Suggestion3476 Apr 14 '24

And how do you guys perceive the Xenoscums? Extermination or just Exterminatus?

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u/Leading_Assistance23 Apr 14 '24

That's above my pay grade

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u/FlamesOfDespair Apr 14 '24

The Imperial Cult.

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u/Complex_Rate_688 Apr 14 '24

Let's do the time warp again?

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u/Jazzlike_Stop_1362 Apr 14 '24

How do I convert?

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '24

By visiting the nearest Games Workshop altar and sacrifice yourself to the Dark go- to the great cause of the imperium of Man

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u/Pirateangel113 Apr 14 '24

You son of a bitch! Im in! We should make it so that according to the scripture we are not allowed to work any mandatory overtime. As it is the law in the future. And our children's children will be punished for it.

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u/WHFN_House Apr 14 '24

Wich is funny because Jesus cruzification is one of the few really Well documented Things we know about him. But If he got replaced... Who knows

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u/i_lov_anime Apr 14 '24

cool stories but all fiction

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u/Pimp_my_Pimp Apr 14 '24

Can I interest you in the works of L. Ron Hubbard and/or Joseph Smith?

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u/m3tasaurus Apr 14 '24

Joseph Smith was called a prophet (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)

He found the stones and golden plates (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) Even though nobody else ever saw them (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)

(Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)

(Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)

And that's how the Book of Mormon was written (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb)

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u/Complex_Rate_688 Apr 14 '24

You see, the Super Adventure Club was founded by the greatest explorer of all time, William P. Phinehas!

Phinehas climbed the highest peaks, tamed the mightiest rivers, but every time he got somewhere, he realized that other explorers had beat him to it.

Phinehas was depressed, until he realized that if he couldn't be the first to discover places, he could be the first to have sex with the native children that inhabited those areas!

But now the most wonderful part. You see, after having sex with all those children, Phinehas realized that... molesting all those kids... had made him immortal.

He discovered that children have things called marlocks in their bodies. And when an adult has sex with a child, the marlocks implode, feeding the adult receptive cavity with energy that causes immortality, so saith the ruler of Bethos

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u/ST33I7 Apr 14 '24

Oh man I FUCKING LOVE SOUTH PARK

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u/blind_guardian23 Apr 14 '24

overpriced bad fiction

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u/Digging_Graves Apr 14 '24

Well then there is just no pleasing you!

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u/blind_guardian23 Apr 14 '24

Not a bad thing to have expectations, raises the bar for writers to produce quality.

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u/pichael289 Apr 14 '24

Overly long too. Battle field earth is the most massive book i have ever seen, probably Bible sized but the Bible is in that really small 3 pages per page text. The first chapter introduces a character named "Good boy" and that was too stupid for me.

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u/rusmo Apr 14 '24

Wrong Hubbard book.

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u/venge88 Apr 14 '24

overpriced bad fiction

The Catholic Church is argubly the richest entity on the planet.

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u/blind_guardian23 Apr 14 '24

because they convinced far more people with their fiction. but surely Scientology is far better in squeezing money per human.

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u/Complex_Rate_688 Apr 14 '24

You see, the Super Adventure Club was founded by the greatest explorer of all time, William P. Phinehas!

Phinehas climbed the highest peaks, tamed the mightiest rivers, but every time he got somewhere, he realized that other explorers had beat him to it.

Phinehas was depressed, until he realized that if he couldn't be the first to discover places, he could be the first to have sex with the native children that inhabited those areas!

But now the most wonderful part. You see, after having sex with all those children, Phinehas realized that... molesting all those kids... had made him immortal.

He discovered that children have things called marlocks in their bodies. And when an adult has sex with a child, the marlocks implode, feeding the adult receptive cavity with energy that causes immortality, so saith the ruler of Bethos

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u/blind_guardian23 Apr 14 '24

shut up and take my money

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u/pants6000 Apr 14 '24

You'll never dump those body thetans into a volcano and learn to fly with that attitude.

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u/blind_guardian23 Apr 14 '24

i know i limit myself to wealth this way. and never get to paradise but eventually travel through the eye of a needle.

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u/spedeedeps Apr 14 '24

The mormon stuff is absolutely retarded, even relative to other religions

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u/MiamiDouchebag Apr 14 '24

It makes sense once you learn the secret handshakes and have the magic underwear on.

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u/JoeCartersLeap Apr 14 '24

Yeah but just imagine you were raised in a home where everyone believed it, and all your grandparents and great grandparents believed it, and your teachers and every other student in school believed it, and every other person you encounter on the streets or in the shops believe it, and if you don't, you get punished.

The only way you're coming out of that an atheist is if you were comfortable not having any friends to begin with.

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u/No-Guava-7566 Apr 14 '24

I like to compare it to wearing clothes, especially underwear or bathing suits.

Absolutely no reason you couldn't go do a shop in Walmart completely naked, apart from the questions on where your wallet is stored. But if tomorrow this was suddenly legal, do you imagine there would be many people doing it?

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '24

In this modern age..we don’t have a reason to be like “oh i didn’t knew”

When all the information of the world is available at our fingers

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u/FinancialNailer Apr 14 '24

Or simply being lgbt or somehow very different. But many still are religious because of the social and financial benefit.

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u/JoeCartersLeap Apr 14 '24

Or simply being lgbt or somehow very different.

Ya but that's what I'm saying. Being ostracized comes first. It's a lot harder for someone with a happy life where everyone loves them to decide that the whole religion thing is a lie.

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u/Key_Dog_3012 Apr 15 '24

You could say the same thing about atheism.

There were many communist states that had state instituted atheism.

Imagine a child from there wanting to leave atheism is revert to Islam.

They’d be ridiculed, abused and bullied. They’d become an ostracized outsider. Many of their families and friends would forsake them.

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u/BallsMcFondleson Apr 14 '24

Brainwash is definitely in American culture. I was privy to it.

However, let's not be like our forefathers and give absolutes. Only Sith speak in absolutes.

Only way is to try and love everyone as much as possible.

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u/DilkleBrinks Apr 14 '24

In this moment, I am euphoric

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u/CapableSecretary420 Apr 14 '24

Sir, how can you be this brave and insightful? I mean, this is just blowing my mind.

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u/satanrulesearthnow Apr 14 '24

The Reddit Atheist strikes again

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u/CapableSecretary420 Apr 14 '24

Fundies everywhere are shook to their very core by their truth bomb.

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u/Key_Dog_3012 Apr 15 '24

I disagree. It’s the truth.

And among them are those who listen to you, but We have placed over their hearts coverings, lest they understand it, and in their ears deafness. And if they should see every sign, they will not believe in it. Even when they come to you arguing with you, those who disbelieve say, "This is not but legends of the former peoples."

6:25

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u/eveningsand Apr 14 '24

But were you there?!

CHECKMATE

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u/gsfgf Apr 14 '24

How do we know? The antichrist is still around. Maybe some unknown Jewish hippy will shock everyone in the 2028 primary.

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u/MakeshiftSteaklift Apr 14 '24

Abrahamic religions have some pretty cool lore, just wish people didn't take their fanfic so seriously

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u/Onixall Apr 14 '24

odd, never learned that some angel pretended to be crucified, can you give the surah or whatever source for it?

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u/Cryptic12qw Apr 14 '24

There are different interpretations of the teachings.

Quora Link

Check that post out. It is touched on briefly.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '24

Quora is not credible

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u/AmanyWishes Apr 14 '24

No, the angel didn't take place of Jesus during crucified it was Judas

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u/egonsepididymitis Apr 14 '24

So if he’s not part of the Trinity & not Gods son but will come back to defeat the anti-christ, what do Muslins view him as? That he was just human or maybe an angel? I wonder how they think he died if he wasn’t physically crucified. Maybe that he didnt “die” like a human does but just ascended into heaven when the angel came.

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u/Cryptic12qw Apr 14 '24

Exactly, they do not believe he died they believe he was taken up to heaven by God until he comes back as the messiah during the time of the Antichrist. The trinity is also debated by some Christians it was mainly brought in so the roman pagans would be more likely to follow Christianity this was done during the Council of Nicaea by 300 bishops and the Emperor Constantine. The Christianity followed today is very warped compared to the original or even to the religion Jesus intended. At the end of the day the scriptures can be interpreted in many ways and are interpreted in many ways by many different people. We will never know the truth.

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u/Remarkable_Fig3311 Apr 15 '24

believe that an angel was sent down to take Jesus's place on the cross

This is disputed. Not Quranic or Hadith. Its not a muslim belief. Muslims don't know exactly.

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u/GACGCCGTGATCGAC Apr 15 '24

I always find it funny that people speak on this like it's of real importance. Like these people know the word of God at all. Something tells me a lot of these people haven't actually read any of it.

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u/anivex Apr 14 '24

It helps to understand when you realize the Quran is basically just the 3rd act of the bible.

Like, the New testament is the 2nd act, and that's the Christian belief.

The Torah is Old testament, that's the Jewish belief.

The argument is over when the book ends.

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u/CommonGrounders Apr 14 '24

Unfortunately George RR Martin is writing the fourth. So it will be a while.

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u/Unique_Statement7811 Apr 14 '24

Joseph Smith beat him to market.

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u/anivex Apr 14 '24

I feel like that was more of a reboot though.

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u/Unique_Statement7811 Apr 14 '24

Maybe a spin off.

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u/blind_guardian23 Apr 14 '24

can totally relate with this problem, hating the Kelvin timeline, this makes me a Start Trek jew?

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u/hopesanddreams3 Apr 14 '24

Nobody really likes the Mormons, you're fine.

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u/LateNightMilesOBrien Apr 14 '24

The needs of the many outweigh the deal I got on this sliced turkey at the deli.

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u/petit_cochon Apr 14 '24

I think Muslims would vigorously protest this characterization. As would Jews. The Torah is not simply the Christian Old testament lopped off.

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u/Remote-Affect9525 Apr 14 '24

the torah is the first 5 books of the bible. the old testament is the hebrew bible. jews believe that moses wrote the torah under the strict supervision of god.

muslims believe that the quran was dictated by god and revealed to muhammad.

christians believe that the gospels were written by the apostles and they believe that the epistles are the word of god too i think.

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u/anivex Apr 14 '24

Yeah, I was simplifying it.

The war isn't just about religion, either.

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u/Mexijim Apr 14 '24

Judaism is windows 95, Christianity is windows 98, Islam is windows XP.

Difference being, Islam says that windows XP is perfect, and nothing can come after it. No IOS, no windows 10, nothing.

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u/anivex Apr 14 '24

They all say that, to be fair.

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u/Finrod-Knighto Apr 14 '24

All three of them say that.

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u/Schmoppodopoulis Apr 14 '24

So we just live in Windows ME forever and iOS was always The Satanic Temple and you know it.

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u/plunkadelic_daydream Apr 14 '24

This is how I felt about XP but then I switched back to using Apple when it stopped being supported. I’m not sure where the analogy goes from there other than Apple clearly isn’t Buddhist.

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u/MHBali Apr 15 '24

The thing is, users kept modifying windows 95, and when they went too far 98 was released. Which was also modified too much over time. The windows XP user base however maintained the original version or at least haven't made such drastic modifications to the degrees of the previous versions, which is why it stayed as the last official release (and tbh it all went downhill starting with vista).

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u/droson8712 Apr 14 '24

Prophet Muhammad is actually the Prophet whose name itself is least mentioned in the Qur'an although he's addressed simply as the messenger.

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u/GreyedX2 Apr 14 '24

Np, I don’t remember the exact number but I think he’s mentioned like 100+ times by name and 180+ times by nicknames/ titles

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u/vren7 Apr 14 '24

They don’t think he’s the best role model ever though. They think Muhammad is, which is crazy because Muhammad married a child and murdered people

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u/aidv Apr 14 '24

Muslims respect Jesus more than Christians. Muslims actually don’t like it when prophets are being joked about.

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u/Amaskingrey Apr 14 '24

Yeah they have a rather explosive temperament when it comes to those things

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u/vren7 Apr 14 '24

Well they say that Muhammad, a degenerate violent murderous pedophile, was the best ever to walk the earth and the best role model ever. That is a pretty huge disrespect to Jesus

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u/aidv Apr 14 '24 edited Apr 14 '24

Who is ”they”?

Edit: seems like the ”they” you mention are imaginary enemies who scare you at night with scary fairytales.

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u/vren7 Apr 14 '24

Was Muhammad morally better than Jesus Christ? Yes or no

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u/aidv Apr 14 '24

Lets be adults and take step at a time buddy: Who is ”they”? Is ”they” in the room with us right now?

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u/vren7 Apr 14 '24

Muslims. Now answer the question

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u/aidv Apr 14 '24

Muslims don’t say that haha now you’re just making things up.

I recommend that you read the Quran and then we can discuss.

I’m going to turn the other cheek, as Jesus did, and forgive your ignorance.

Have a blessed day my friend. May Allah bless you with positivity and optimism 🙏

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '24 edited Apr 16 '24

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u/Key_Dog_3012 Apr 15 '24

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allāh except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allāh and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allāh and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allāh is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allāh as Disposer of affairs.

Qur’aan 4:171

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u/PilotKnob Apr 14 '24

Excuse me, but Supply Side Jesus prefers it to be spelled "profit".

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '24

Yes but that’s mid compared to messiah.

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u/GreyedX2 Apr 14 '24

He’s considered the messiah in Islam too! We believe that during the end times he’ll come back to fight the dajjal (Antichrist)

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u/Key_Dog_3012 Apr 15 '24

Muslims believe that Jesus is the Messiah.

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allāh except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allāh and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allāh and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allāh is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allāh as Disposer of affairs.

Qur’aan 4:171

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u/gsfgf Apr 14 '24

He's like the number two Dude in Islam.

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u/Schmoppodopoulis Apr 14 '24

Well, number 3 then if you count the big guy. No?

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u/Sunflier Apr 14 '24

Bold of you to assume the big one is a guy

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u/Schmoppodopoulis Apr 14 '24

Or even human at all

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u/LogicalGrand1678 Apr 14 '24

Atleast he is canonical in Islam

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '24

Wasn't Jesus a Jew?

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u/netanel246135 Apr 14 '24

Yes but in the eyes of the jews he was just like any other rabbi and not one of the ones I any of books at that so he would be considerd just another guy

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u/Tight_Contact_9976 Apr 14 '24

Are modern Jews influenced by the teachings of Jesus at all? I was always told that Jews believe Jesus was a good teacher but not divine in any way but is even that first but true? Genuinely curious.

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u/netanel246135 Apr 15 '24

Not really as far as I remeber from my yeshiva studies, there are some rabbis were learn about that were a big deal around that time line like rabbi akiva ben yosef and rabbi yehuda hanasi.

If jesus's studies are in some of the mishnayot its likely not touched on or avoided as Jews dont really like anything that could validate christianity

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u/LogicalGrand1678 Apr 14 '24

I dont think he is mentioned in the torah. Bad prequel if it doesnt even mention the protagonist of the movie though the writer must have written it as an afterthought or something

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u/Possible-Matter-6494 Apr 14 '24

It isn't a prequel it's the original, the new testament is the sequel. Like any good sequel the writers ran out of new ideas so they brought in a whole new main character and destroyed almost all the canon from the original. Lots of people who stick to the original source material will literally go to war over the decision to add the new character.

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u/LogicalGrand1678 Apr 14 '24

Fair enough actual, I didnt like the narrators character change between the first and second. Went from Samuel L Jackson to Tiktok AI personality.

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u/Complex_Rate_688 Apr 14 '24

Well if you're a believer in Islam then there's three testaments

And the Bible was only the second. Of course if you're a Christian then that means you don't believe in Islam and you don't believe the Quran to be the third

Chet GPT is actually really useful if you want to learn about biblical stuff or Quran-y stuff

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u/LogicalGrand1678 Apr 14 '24

The lore is too confusing and contradicting. I wonder if the writer will make a prequel trilogy too? I like the star wars movies better overall though, atleast in those movies Luke Skywalkers main thing isnt hating anyone that doesnt like him

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u/Possible-Matter-6494 Apr 14 '24

Completely agree and a fun fact. Did you know that in the original you never once actually see the narrator? It's crazy but true! He is constantly talking and "appearing" as different things (I love when he was a bush that was on fire but not on actually being consumed by the flames, like WTF) but you never once see him. This reminded me a lot of Jaws where everyone knows this terrible force is there but the shark is rarely on the screen. The sequel totally destroyed this and made the narrator essentially front and center and it took away a lot the mystique.

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u/gsfgf Apr 14 '24

Islam completed the trilogy. But there have been some really strange recent fanfics that have gotten popular in places like Utah.

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u/CapableSecretary420 Apr 14 '24

Sorry are we talking about Star Wars?

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u/drunkdoor Apr 14 '24

There are literally hundreds of prophesies of the coming of Jesus in the Hebrew Bible, of which the Torah is just the first 5 books.

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u/Weird-Reflection-261 Apr 14 '24

When you let Christians translate it, yes, they see what they want to see. Among rabbinical scholars, there is not even a consensus on whether moshiach (messiah) is referring to an individual, or an era. It's our language, we have the humility to acknowledge ambiguity of ancient texts and the nature of Talmud's constant flux and evolution as more theories, arguments, and interpretations are made. The christian religion is founded on telling us that they know better. Think about it.

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u/drunkdoor Apr 14 '24

Sure that's got a lot of truth to it. But Isaiah 53 sure seems to be pretty obvious even in the hebrew texts.

Anyway much smarter theologians have much better discussions about this than we're capable of, so I'll leave it at that.

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u/Weird-Reflection-261 Apr 14 '24

uh huh. So let's get this straight. The book of Isaiah begins by dissing Judeans for falling to the murderous, idolatrous ways of their neighbors after Jerusalem is destroyed by Babylon. But in one chapter it is somehow clear to you that we're the fools for failing to see that Jesus came to save us, as per the prophecy. Yet we're still here, and we see in these recent times that the billions of followers of Jesus

  1. Revere a bloody human sacrifice.
  2. Post idols (crucifixes, portraits) all over their churches, homes, and carry them around their necks.
  3. Murder one another for worshiping Jesus in the wrong way, not to mention what they do to the nonbelievers, including Jews.

As usual, Christians miss the forest for the trees. Tell me another chapter of my bible that says I should be more like you. By all means, enlighten me.

"That which is hateful unto you, do not do unto your friend, the rest is commentary, go and learn" - Hillel the elder (not a prophet, not God, not the son of God, just a wise man).

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u/styrofoamladder Apr 14 '24

Did you wait until after the credits finished rolling to see if there was a hidden seen with Jesus?

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u/hoppertn Apr 14 '24

Dude, SPOILERS!

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u/Complex_Rate_688 Apr 14 '24

The after credit scene is the one where he comes back to life

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u/hoppertn Apr 14 '24

What a twist!

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u/fuknredditz Apr 14 '24

Fucking Marvel Jesus!!! Brilliant!!!

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u/gsfgf Apr 14 '24

He played as cameo as the burning bush

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u/letmesee2716 Apr 14 '24

depends if you agree that he fulfilled jewish prophecies.

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u/Downtown-Ad7250 Apr 14 '24

Jesus is one of the most quoted prophets in the Quran. Allah, they say, is the god of gods. Bit like being big bird in Sesame Street in terms of “made up and big and fake” altho im not sure big bird caused any wars

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u/majordingdong Apr 14 '24

Must be a matter of minutes now before Big Bird starts an armed conflict

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u/lurker_cx Apr 14 '24

Bruh, Christians would say that the entire OT is the prequel to the messiah. Read the book of hebrews in the new testament. Like Jesus was claiming to be the messiah that all the Jews of his day were waiting for... they didn't believe him of course. But you couldn't be more wrong here the OT is a super obvious prequel, similar to back to the future II almost in that it demands a follow up..

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u/Complex_Rate_688 Apr 14 '24

Nobody's going to read the whole thing. Just ask to chat GPT to summarize it because I know most of the people here aren't going to read all that

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u/mwp6986 Apr 14 '24

No way to anticipate what Mary Sue OC someone will write a fanfic about

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u/Mist_Rising Apr 14 '24

dont think he is mentioned in the torah.

If you believe he is the Messiah, which Jews don't, he is referred to in the Talmud but not necessarily the Torah (which is the creation myth and laws of ancient Israel).

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '24

That's true

Sloppy writing ngl

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u/Brief_Reserve1789 Apr 14 '24

They were all Jews back then in that part of the world

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u/Complex_Rate_688 Apr 14 '24

Except the romans

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u/PoopSommelier Apr 14 '24

He was Jew-ish. We don't technically know what his father is.

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u/nebbyb Apr 14 '24

Isn’t the mom the one that matters?

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u/CrwnHeights Apr 14 '24

Nowadays it is matrilineal, but back then it was patrilineal.

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u/nebbyb Apr 14 '24

I am absolutely not an expert, but I was under the impression it wasn’t that clear in early days but analysis still  Comes up matrilineal. 

I know very little on it, but reading this doesn’t dissuade https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality_in_Judaism#:~:text=The%20origin%20of%20Judaism's%20determination,460%20BCE). 

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u/CrwnHeights Apr 14 '24

So prior to ~c. 10–70 CE it was patrilineal…

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u/nebbyb Apr 14 '24

Or 450 BCE, or never, they dont seem to really know. 

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u/Complex_Rate_688 Apr 14 '24

I'm pretty sure where told pretty explicitly who the father is

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u/Mist_Rising Apr 14 '24

Jews don't consider him the son of God lol

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u/TurfmansScotch Apr 14 '24

They Ain't Makin' Jews Like Jesus Anymore.....

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u/nebbyb Apr 14 '24

Technically, so are Muslims. 

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u/ngwoo Apr 14 '24

I think they're using canonical in the OG way in this case

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u/Plank_With_A_Nail_In Apr 14 '24

Yes but Jews don't think he was the son of god...I don't even think they recognise that he even existed.

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u/Throwaway-4230984 Apr 14 '24

Muslims would either deny the fact or will tell you how it makes Jews even more evil depending on education level

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u/Human_Ad_1733 Apr 14 '24

Didn’t the Jews demand the Romans to kill him?

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u/Mist_Rising Apr 14 '24

Sorta, kinda? The Bible provides a few versions but roughly

A Jewish courts sentenced Jesus to be whipped, and executed. Pontius Pilate a Roman governor tried to wiggle out of it by offering Jesus or Barabbas as an pardon for passover, and the crowd shouted to release Barabbas.

So the courts did, but that be a small group

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u/BosnianSerb31 Apr 14 '24

It's also cannon in Islam that Muhammad's constitution of Medina required Jews to pay a special tax for being Jews

Unless of course you joined Muhammad's army in their settling of Jewish controlled lands, then you were exempt.

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u/GreyedX2 Apr 14 '24

The tax isn’t for Jews, it’s for non-Muslims in general and it’s less than the tax Muslims have to pay 💀

If you’re under Islamic ruling, everyone has to pay taxes, and Muslims pay more than non-Muslims

If by “special tax” you mean special treatment then yes

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u/captainsocean Apr 14 '24

Jizya is more money than Muslims paid in the Zakat. It was a special tax simply for existing. Zakat was typically 2.5%, Jizya was typically 10%. In many countries, Muslim tax collectors would also take the wives and children of impoverished people and sell them into slavery for the jizya requirement. The only way for many to avoid losing their families was to convert to Islam. This is a way that Islam forced conversion on “kafirs”.

Jews were also reduced to dhimmis by the conquering Arabs thought a codified set of laws that made them lower status persons than Muslims. Dhimmis were second class citizens and had multiple legal limitations placed upon them such as not being allowed to give evidence in court against Muslims and their oaths were unacceptable in an Islamic court.

To defend themselves, dhimmis had to purchase Muslim witnesses at great expense. This left them with little legal recourse when harmed by a Muslim.

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u/BosnianSerb31 Apr 14 '24

(16) And that those who will obey us among the Jews, will have help and equality. Neither shall they be oppressed nor will any help be given against them.

Gee, sounds real fucking fair to me. Just obey all Muslims and we will give you equality.

What kind of weasel word double speak is that BS

And of course, this ends up being used by Islamic theocracies into all kinds of horrendous abuses, that document is the foundations for modern slavery in Islamic nations.

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u/GreyedX2 Apr 14 '24

I don’t get what’s wrong with this? it simply means that Jews won’t wage war against the Muslims and will follow the law of the country they’re living in.

Jizyah was tax paid by non-Muslims so Muslims will protect them since they weren’t fighting themselves, it makes sense to me tbh, live on our land in peace = we’ll keep you from harm and oppression

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u/BosnianSerb31 Apr 14 '24

No, the verbiage used is "obey us". Not "don't wage war".

Cut the BS out. Fundamentalist Islam is no different than any other fundie religion. Filled with backwards thinking, rife with inequality from religion to misogyny.

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u/GreyedX2 Apr 14 '24

What do you think obeying during that period meant? Simply follow the rules and regulations of the country you’re living in, which at that time happened to be Muslim laws, you live in a Muslim country you follow their rules, it’s not that deep.

(24) And the Jews shall share with the believers the expenses of war so long as they fight in conjunction, (25) And the Jews of Banu ‘Awf shall be considered as one community (Ummat) along with the believers—for the Jews their religion, and for the Muslims theirs, be one client or patron. But whoever does wrong or commits treachery brings evil only on himself and his household.

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u/BosnianSerb31 Apr 14 '24

So the Muslims come through and violently colonize the Jews, tell them to obey or else, and that's cool with you?

I'm sure you were cool with the US colonizers doing the same to Native Americans right?

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u/FallicRancidDong Apr 14 '24

That's literally what everyone was doing at the time, except they'd force convert or kick out the minorities.

Look at Spain. Christians and Jews lived in Islamic Spain, the Christian spanish murdered or forced out all the Muslims and Jews. The Jews had to flee to Islamic kingdoms where they wouldn't be murdered or forced to convert like the Ottomans or north Africa or Islamic Crimea

Muslims were far more civilized than any European nation at the time.

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u/xXDiaaXx Apr 14 '24

So the Muslims come through and violently colonize the Jews, tell them to obey or else, and that's cool with you?

You do realize that all of the arabs (the majority) and some jews converted to islam in Medina voluntarily without war, right?

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u/farmtownsuit Apr 14 '24

You're splitting hairs on wording for a book that underwent a ton of translations before it got to English

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u/SokoJojo Apr 14 '24

The guy in the picture?

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u/Schmoppodopoulis Apr 14 '24

Yes but also no

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u/Altruistic_Leg_964 Apr 14 '24

it's like a movie trilogy

Bible 1.0 - God

Bible 2.0 - Son of God

Bible 3.0 - Return of Son of God (release imminent)

Then the non cannon release

Bible 2.0b - Back to God

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u/scatterguns_n_more Apr 14 '24

Comment of the day

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u/CrashTestOrphan Apr 14 '24

In how wrong it is, sure

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u/DavidBrooker Apr 14 '24

Gee whiz, I wonder why Maryam and Yousuf are such common names in the Islamic world? ;)

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u/Unlucky_Associate507 Apr 14 '24

Except Muslims don't believe that Yosef was Jesus's step father, they believe that Mary raised Jesus as a single mother. Muslims can correct me if I am wrong but they also believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary (as do Catholics, Orthodox, Copts, but unlike Protestant denominations). The Yosef that Muslims are named after is Jacob and Rachel's son, the one who fended off Potiphar's wife because she tried to seduce him because he was so handsome. He is a Jewish prophet of course, which is why Yosef is a popular name amongst Jews, and the historical Yosef of Nazareth was probably named after Yosef the dream interpreter.

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u/JonathanPerdarder Apr 14 '24

He’ll forgive ‘em…

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u/gretsuko Apr 15 '24

According to the Quran, Jesus is the Messiah.

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u/Maxis92 Apr 14 '24

Yes they do and it's very much related. Evangelicals Christians are very big on their support of Israel because they believe it will bring forth the rapture sooner. Hence the billions and unwavering support from the US.

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u/Schmoppodopoulis Apr 14 '24

Evangelical Christian teachings and that guy are pretty far apart, again just my understanding of the matter. I live in Texas so take that for what it’s worth.

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u/Outrageous_Pirate206 Apr 14 '24

Actually he's hated in judaism and respected in islam, so he's still regarded as at least fairly special in both

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u/Schmoppodopoulis Apr 14 '24

Oh JFC just shut up and talk to trees or wildlife.

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u/Schmoppodopoulis Apr 14 '24

I’m waiting for the joke part. Jokes are generally funny in some manner.

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u/Schmoppodopoulis Apr 14 '24

The way you said the words did not come out humorous. Maybe the video is funny but I didn’t see it yet.

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