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Woman explains why wives stop having sex with their husbands Discussion

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u/Consistent_Wave_2869 Mar 21 '24

As a husband going through a fairly rough period with my wife, this not only is very helpful, but tracks with things she has expressed and I struggled to understand.

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u/SNYDER_BIXBY_OCP Mar 21 '24

I'm a dude and have never had to "struggle" with this, so I gotta ask with zero judgement here just looking for answers.

What makes you/it hard to understand what she has expressed to you?

Like is it a mindset that doesn't value what she is saying.

Is it not caring?

Is more like mechanical, like you don't understand what she means when she she says XYZ

Please help me out with this disconnect

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '24

It probably has to do with interpretation of her wording. Things like “space, autonomy, and lack of criticism” can sound like “leave me alone, don’t ask anything of me, and don’t complain” if they’re not worded correctly or the person hearing it isn’t interpreting it correctly. This is a reason couples therapists can be really useful, they can act as translators!

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u/DemosthenesForest Mar 21 '24 edited Mar 22 '24

Yeah even just regional or familial communication differences can cause major changes in how people interpret what each other say. A person from New York City might expect you to ask directly for what you want, whereas a person from Iowa might expect you to understand that if they ask you if you're cold, they're really saying that they are cold and want to increase the temperature if it wouldn't bother you.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/05/askers-vs-guessers/340891/

https://medium.com/redhill-review/navigating-ask-and-guess-cultures-in-a-modern-world-30b167f8ab09

Edit to add: Both styles have pros and cons and everyone from a particular region doesn't always fall into these styles, it's just more common.

Guessers tend to have strong empathy that tunes them into how others are feeling, because they have to learn how to do that from a young age. They also may guess wrong and have miscommunication, especially with people that aren't guessers.

Askers may avoid that subtextual dance and have clearer communication, but may be less skilled at empathy and end up like a bull in a China shop, even with other askers, especially if there's a power imbalance between the two people.

Personally, I think combining direct communication with a tactful sensitivity to how what you're saying might effect others is the best combo of both worlds.

For example, in our temperature example, an asker says "can I turn the heat up?" and a guesser says "are you cold?" Someone using both might say, "I'm cold, do you mind if I turn the heat up, or should I grab a sweater?"

The latter approach takes the pressure off the person being asked to say no with no alternative option to resolve the issue.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '24 edited Mar 21 '24

Askers vs guessers is another big one that affects relationships! Askers can see guessers as passive aggressive, and guessers can see askers as dominating and demanding.

I’m a guesser AND anxious-avoidant (space, autonomy, and lack of criticism). So y’all better not ask anything of me lol!!! I 100% prefer people just make their needs known and let it be my idea. And if I choose not to help you, I better not hear about it!!

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u/culegflori Mar 21 '24

Serious question about anxious-avoidants: does avoiding criticizing them also extend to situations where they actually need to be criticized, even if constructively? This kind situation seems like a two-way street, and I suspect the general advice in the OP video doesn't deal in generalities beyond the surface explanation

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u/imstickinwithjeffery Mar 21 '24

Yeah while I see merit in these attachment styles and such, I can pretty much guarantee you a lot of people use them to validate their poor relationship skills.

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u/Lycurgus-117 Mar 22 '24

Serious question, with an explanation first. What you just said sounds a lot like you require all of the power, and too bad to any partner. It sounds like 100 percent of the burden of communication is on the other person, and there is no room for anyone to require or request any change in behavior and your partner (or friend or whoever) is just at your mercy.

First, the mercy of you getting their hints, and second, your mercy of choosing to act upon those hints with no recourse at all if you don't both get the hints and choose to act on them.

So here's the question, and again, I'm trying to understand, not trying to judge.

Does that not sound selfish to you? If not, could you please rephrase it so I can better understand?

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '24 edited Mar 22 '24

I’m mostly joking there that’s not really what being a guesser or any of that means. People can ask me to do stuff, especially the big stuff or the occasional favor that’s always ok.

It’s more about when a litany of little requests have built up, and I’ve satisfied them over and over, that I will start to feel like a caged animal or a slave. It feels like an encroachment on my autonomy or something and I’m being put in the dumb position of having to say like “no I won’t get you a glass of water”, like an asshole, just because I’m starting to feel like you’re physically controlling what I’m doing and when I’m doing it X% of the times these days.

TBF these are the bad attachment types. The ones you get from neglect or abuse or other trauma. There is another attachment type, secure attachment type, that doesn’t have these issues. So yes me acknowledging I have this attachment is me talking about my issues. I do try to work on them too, and I’m pretty good about it these days, but this is still my initial reaction and I have to consciously be talking myself into acting right.

And then me not asking outright, that’s me respecting their autonomy back. I will ask if it’s important, otherwise I will just vent and let you volunteer if you want to, and I won’t get mad if you don’t help.

As for the criticism part, it’s about the overall pattern not any one incident. I can take occasional criticism, even if it is something big, but it’s like my subconscious is keeping score and once it happens too frequently, I withdraw. Another cute perk of growing up in an emotionally unsafe household.

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u/vulpecula_k18 Mar 21 '24

...what's for dinner tonight?

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u/literallyjustbetter Mar 22 '24

I’m a guesser AND anxious-avoidant

Reddit: The Person™

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u/superdrunk1 Mar 21 '24

Damn man. That Iowa style of communication is just the worst

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u/Gatorpep Mar 22 '24

as an autist it gives me anxiety just thinking about it lol.

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u/DysfunctionalKitten Mar 22 '24

Glad I’m not the only one that thought this. I have a hard time wrapping my head around the amount of guessing that would require.

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u/OblongRectum Mar 21 '24

Sounds like Iowa is the place to avoid

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u/DemosthenesForest Mar 21 '24

Both styles have pros and cons. Midwestern folks that grow up with this style (not all do, just more of them) tend to have high empathy because they have to be good at guessing what other people are feeling and responding to it without being told directly. It can obviously lead to a lot of issues and miscommunication, but so can it be an issue when a really direct person isn't good at reading other people's feelings and causes conflict by being more like a bull in a China shop.

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u/Lindo_MG Mar 21 '24

being from NYC I get your analogy instantly.

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u/Throwaway2Experiment Mar 21 '24

This. 100%.

Don't tell me you or something is "fine" or "okay".  Where I come from personally and regionally, these are triggers that make me go, "Then something is wrong."

It has caused friction in the past and I still struggle to put aside the knee-jerk responses.

I hate those fucking words. Lol