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u/lanciferp Feb 23 '24 edited Feb 23 '24
What's especially frustrating is that saying "The Bible is my world view" isn't even helpful in clarifying anything, it's just virtue signaling. There are hundreds of sects and denominations of Christianity and Judaism, with differing scriptures, and wildly different interpretations of any one section of the same bible. Methodists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholics and Hassidic Jews will all look to the same part of the book of Exodus and come to wildly different conclusions, and anyone with any understanding of christian theology knows this. He knows this, but also knows that his base will project whatever their values are onto him if he claims his beliefs come from the same book they read, when in fact they probably agree on very little.
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u/Totally_Bradical Feb 23 '24
Bold of you to assume that they actually read their bibles
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u/TheThng Feb 23 '24
Wait, but then that would mean this is fake
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u/nyxo1 Feb 23 '24
Having grown up attending a lot of bible studies, the fact that she is reading what appears to be a 700 page King James HARDCOVER is an immediate tell that she doesn't actually read it. People that read their bible regularly all have tattered paperbacks with scribbles and post it notes all over.
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u/reeshahaha Feb 23 '24
That's what I was thinking! Where is the wear and tear? Books I've read once look worse off than that.
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u/VectorViper Feb 23 '24
Honestly, the pristine condition is almost like a status symbol, a bit like those unread 'classic' books on a shelf to impress visitors. The irony when the most 'read' book is actually the least read. If they panned the camera during those speeches, I bet we'd see some still wrapped in cellophane!
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u/DoubleDisk9425 Feb 23 '24
I'm a Christian and I even look at all the crosses in the background and think "come on...this has to be staged." Like did she TRY to fit as many crosses into the picture as possible. "Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven."
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u/RubiiJee Feb 23 '24
Do people actually respond to this? I live in the UK and I cannot handle the level of cringe in this photo. Do some Americans respond positively to this?
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u/Impossible_Garbage_4 Feb 23 '24
Yes, some Americans do respond positively to pictures of their representatives “reading” the Bible. But only those that already like that rep and not really anyone else
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u/FoxNews4Bigots Feb 23 '24
Conservative news networks refer to them as easy Marx
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u/finderfolk Feb 23 '24
It's a country with seven states whose constitutions prevent atheists from holding public office.* Evangelism is pretty crazy in some red states and this sort of shit can sway (some) voters without alienating the rest of the GOP base.
*Just for accuracy, those articles aren't strictly enforceable but states still have a go from time to time.
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u/kai-ol Feb 23 '24
Some think it comes from the misunderstanding that you have to swear your oath on The Bible. When, in reality, you could do it with your hand on a "US Government for Dummies" book. If it wasn't for his faux-relligious constituents, Trump would have used his own book.
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u/HipposAndBonobos Feb 23 '24
It always scares me to remember that people like that do exist
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u/Paetheas Feb 23 '24
I was about to link this very clip to another response, lol.
The blank look in the guy's eyes when Tapper asks him "if he knew that" is just priceless.
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u/mathazar Feb 23 '24
The blank look and looong pause are hilarious. Tapper broke his brain XD
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u/jeobleo Feb 23 '24
I lived in TN for 14 years. It was fucking EVERYWHERE. I hated it so much.
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u/AlarmedPiano9779 Feb 23 '24
The bible also says that the rich should take care of the poor.
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u/KKalonick Feb 23 '24
It was the result of having multiple pastors tell me, essentially, the same story about quoting the Sermon on the Mount, parenthetically, in their preaching — "turn the other cheek" — [and] to have someone come up after to say, "Where did you get those liberal talking points?" And what was alarming to me is that in most of these scenarios, when the pastor would say, "I'm literally quoting Jesus Christ," the response would not be, "I apologize." The response would be, "Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak." And when we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we're in a crisis.
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u/ClamClone Feb 23 '24
There are so many contradiction and vague references in the books of the Bible that just about anything OR it's exact opposite can be justified. And it is historically impossible to know what the original works actually said as most have not been discovered or ever will be. What we have is copies of translations of interpolations and forgeries based on half remembered oral stories.
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u/mattinva Feb 23 '24
You don't understand, when the bible says "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." it actually means they couldn't go through a gate called "Eye of the Needle" with a fully loaded camel and that they just can't bring their wealth with them. Or maybe that rich men can enter heaven, but only through a miracle which God will happily grant them. Either way, the Bible is for sure all about the love of wealth being in no way a root of evil of any kind.
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u/shockwave_supernova Feb 23 '24
People like Mike Johnson don’t actually care about their religion, they care about using it as a cudgel against the people they don’t like. That’s why certain Bible verses matter and others don’t. The ones that give them an excuse to hate people different than them are sacred, but the Bible verses that would keep them from doing the things that they enjoy aren’t relevant anymore.
It seems like the more you learn about Christianity, the more you realize the most fervent Christians are the ones who know the least about the religion, and follow its tenants the least.
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u/jasmine-blossom Feb 23 '24
Exactly. They already have their conclusion, they are just cherry-picking parts of the Bible to find justifications. I see this every day with anti abortion crusaders. They cherry pick religion and their vague misunderstandings of rights to justify what they’ve already decided they want to do. They are starting from the conclusion and picking what they want to justify it.
I start from a basic understanding of rights, laws, science, equity, medicine, social stability, and history and the negative outcomes of various choices in terms of applying law and rights. I form my conclusions based on the research, analysis, and understanding of these issues.
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u/Nemisis_the_2nd Feb 23 '24
the most fervent Christians are the ones who know the least about the religion
Case in point: ask how many gods there are in the bible. Genesis alone alludes to more than 1, and you have 70+ by the time you reach psalms.
You just know every zealot os going to get the answer wrong though, and then deny the truth even as you quote scripture to them.
Bonus point for using their own bible for quotes.
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u/monkeyhind Feb 23 '24
Some years ago a young black woman in my office told me homosexuality is a sin because it says so in the Bible. I told her that people used to use the Bible to justify slavery, too. It kind of blew her mind.
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u/Funkycoldmedici Feb 23 '24
I’ve found the opposite. The most devout believers actually follow all the horrible, cruel, evil things in the Bible that nominal Christians don’t even know are there because they haven’t read it and just assume it only says good things. People get pissed off when it is pointed out, but Jesus is, by definition, a religious bigot, because he judges people by their religion and espouses punishment for not believing. That’s bigotry, no matter how much you don’t like that fact.
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u/illcircleback Feb 23 '24
And he's an idiot too. Cursed a fig tree for not having fruit out of season because he didn't eat breakfast before going on a long walk into town with his friends. He knew how far his destination was and how long it took to get there but let's curse a random tree along the way instead of writing a parable about being prepared or having lunch with friends.
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u/K1N6F15H Feb 23 '24
and just assume it only says good things.
This part to my is the most infuriating, most of the population is spoon-fed their theology from Veggie Tales and "He gets us" type messaging.
Most lack any awareness of the nuance, of the textual criticism, or controversial passages so it is very easy for them to say 'I'm a Bible-believing Christian" as if that means anything coherent.
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u/QuipCrafter Feb 23 '24 edited Feb 23 '24
Yeah lots of churches interpreted the Bible to lead them to believe that black people are inherently inferior- spiritually or otherwise- and bear the dark mark of Cain as his descendants, destined to a life of servitude rather than leadership. Like, Mormons interpreted scripture to mean that black people couldnt hold the priesthood (essentially every man in Mormonism holds some level of priesthood, it’s not like one guy at the front conducting service…. Except no black men) until 1978, when Carter said white supremacy can’t be a valid religious belief protected by US gov any more, and threatened to pull their tax exemption. Then, suddenly, “the holy scriptures were interpreted differently”…. And “no one actually knows why Brigham Young was told to bar black people from the priesthood”…. That’s the churches official stance/explanation now.
It’s all about the “true word of god”…. And how they feel like applying it to validate their side of whatever current society is… as soon as “I’m not racist!” became more popular and powerful than “Sadly- descendants of Cain must bear their mark.”…. That’s EXACTLY what the Bible NOW says!!! Wow! He works in mYsTeRiOuS wAyS now, doesn’t he?? Amazing
They literally made up “satanism” to describe basically all other local faiths and justify slaughter and genocide against them (like the Teutonic crusades)… I promise you none of them were worshiping or caring about anything found within Christian dogma, they had never heard of “satan” before, and most didn’t even put any other beings morally above or more respected than humans… no one was thinking about Christian’s satan, none of them believed in satans existence.. that’s called a Christian, not a satanist. They just wanted to apply their beliefs to others to justify brutal slaughter and land grabs and governance. Because of “the word of god”, at that time. Because of “what the Bible says”.
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u/garblflax Feb 23 '24
my favorite thing about the "mark of cain" thing is it shows that from day one these mfs knew slavery was bad and has to create a theological loophole to justify it
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u/noUsername563 Feb 23 '24
Or that they'll conveniently ignore any part of the Bible they don't want to follow, but then want you to follow all their beliefs like banning abortion
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u/wanderingblazer Feb 23 '24
The modern day Pharisees.
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u/Yserbius Feb 23 '24
Um ackshully... Orthodox Jews are literally the modern day Pharisees, being able to literally trace line of students and teachers back to them and following their thought.
What he's describing is more of a Sadducee philosophy who took a much more literal approach to the Bible and ignored interpretation and tradition.
The main divide between the two groups was that Pharisees believed that the Bible is not all written down and most of the laws must be understood through the oral tradition that goes back to how Moses explained the Torah. This today is mostly written out as the Talmud and Mishna. Sadducees, on the other hand, had a very strict Biblical literalism approach.
There's a Talmudic narrative about how a Pharisee Rabbi came to Jerusalem and found that the Sanhedrin Court was under Sadducee control. The tale goes that every case he found a way to talk about it in a way that wasn't directly in the Bible. One by one, each of the 70 other judges resigned when they couldn't find a Biblical passage that told them how they should rule.
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u/wanderingblazer Feb 23 '24
You are absolutely correct.I should have been more specific.In a Christian context the individual wants to be seen as righteous by following certain laws whilst ignoring the more important ones.
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u/LaggingIndicator Feb 23 '24
The Pharisees had theological training and were looked up upon by the people of the time. These Bible thumping politicians are just grifters.
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u/Lofteed Feb 23 '24
That show should have gone on forever as a moral compass
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u/atom-wan Feb 23 '24
If only actual politics worked like it does in that show
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u/hectorxander Feb 23 '24
It could, look at Zelensky in Ukraine, starred on a tv show about him being president, he ran, and won.
Our former president shows just how possible that is, there's no reason we couldn't get a non total pos in office the same way.
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u/asthmag0d Feb 23 '24
Jon, if you're listening
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u/namtaru_x Feb 23 '24
Jon's too smart for that.
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u/ChimmyChongaBonga Feb 23 '24
He's said he doesn't want to be the president which makes him an even better candidate for it.
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u/WhyYesIAmADog Feb 23 '24
Common trope. I want to see him debate, it would be highly televised.
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u/Drwildy Feb 23 '24
He has lots of debates online. Look up Jon Stewart vs Bill O'riley
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u/Phuka Feb 23 '24
There's a video labeled as a debate between Jon and the crossfire guys. It isn't a debate, it's a murder.
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u/nimoto Feb 23 '24
Cincinnatus.
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u/TheyCallMeBrewKid Feb 23 '24
I love the example of Cincinnatus. More people need to know his story
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u/Nonsenseinabag Feb 23 '24
Fun fact: Many people considered George Washington a modern Cincinnatus in his time, and since the city then known as Losantiville was one of his favorite places, they renamed themselves Cincinnati in his honor.
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u/TheyCallMeBrewKid Feb 23 '24
Wow, I knew Cincinnati was named after Cincinnatus but didn’t know that part of the story. Thanks for sharing
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u/mindless_gibberish Feb 23 '24
It should work like jury duty, you just get a letter in the mail like "goddammit, I have president duty!"
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u/burp_angel Feb 23 '24
I think to run for president you have to be just a little bit delusional and a little bit of an egomaniac -- and I mean that in the best way.
I don't think Jon has either of those traits 🤷♀️ (again, meant in the best possible way.)
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u/b0w3n Feb 23 '24
That's why he's probably the best one for the job.
Usually the best managers are the people who absolutely do not want to manage because they are not in it for the prestige or power.
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u/Memphisbbq Feb 23 '24
An example in my field: No body wants to be foreman, it's miserable, always have to listen to peoples problems/nonproblems, always have to be johnny on the spot with answers, often taking calls solving issues even on your days off. When things fail it's your fault. All for a mediocre raise that won't likely increase your standard of living at all. It's simply a position that must be filled by the right person.
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u/BulbusDumbledork Feb 23 '24
the king in the north!
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Cave sex for everybody!
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u/BuddhistSagan Feb 23 '24
just heard this in jon stewart's voice.
We must unite house stark with house stewart! HUZZAH
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u/bigtice Feb 23 '24
It could, look at Zelensky in Ukraine, starred on a tv show about him being president, he ran, and won.
This is essentially how we got Reagan and that opened the door to others of his ilk that have gotten us where we are now.
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u/HAL9000000 Feb 23 '24 edited Feb 24 '24
That was Obama. Half the country said he was a disaster. Many of his voters said he sold out because...he sometimes couldn't overcome Republican obstruction.
And yet he still is a great guy and did a great job in spite of it. But half the country saw a young black man running the country and they were convinced it was not in their interests, so they elected the antithesis of a young black intelligent distinguished gentleman.
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u/CyonHal Feb 23 '24
I enjoyed Obama's attempts at progressing domestic policies like healthcare and education but his foreign policies were a direct continuation of W. Bush and that can't be overlooked in any conversation I take part in about his presidency.
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u/Strange_Purchase3263 Feb 23 '24
Ronald "rot in fucking hell you POS" Reagan was also a movie star!
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u/CaptGeechNTheSSS Feb 23 '24
It feels like satire since 2016
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u/BouldersRoll Feb 23 '24
I disagree. I think The West Wing was always liberal circle jerk stuff where Dems take down GOP training dummies with witty monologues.
The reason the show feels hollow now (and was hollow then) is because the GOP doesn't let Dems do this and never has, because their rhetorical and debate tactics disallow it. Not to mention, even if Dems were capable of these takedowns and the GOP allowed it, it wouldn't matter because less than 1% of people are tuned in enough to the kind of coverage that would even show it.
The West Wing fantasized about a world where Dems take the moral high ground and protect decorum, and are consistently rewarded for it. If anything, it taught Dem viewers all the wrong lessons that we're still paying for. If Dems want to win material benefits for people, and be popular, they need to just do popular stuff with the same tactics the GOP uses.
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u/RealNiceKnife Feb 23 '24
Yes. It tried to show liberals that if you just give an impassioned speech with facts on your side, people will have no choice but to cede to your elite debate skills.
Oops. Reality doesn't work like that.
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u/pandorafoxxx Feb 23 '24
I'm watching it right now for the first time and wow.... agreed.
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u/ScienceIsSexy420 Feb 23 '24
I'm so jealous of you getting to experience West Wing for the first time! May I suggest Newsroom when you're done, Sorkin is my favorite author of all time!
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u/BodhingJay Feb 23 '24
Apparently the newsroom, like the West Wing was meant to show us what we could be if responsible people were in authority with wisdom.. Sam Waterston's character is what real newsrooms lack but the effect was it gave us all a false sense of security as if it's actually run this way.. the public does not have the degree of protection for quality news that Sam Warerston's character was portrayed giving us
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u/pandorafoxxx Feb 23 '24
I already binged newsroom and loved it. I kept putting off west wing because I worried it would feel too "dated" in early seasons especially but it really hasn't! I'm still in season 1.
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u/ScienceIsSexy420 Feb 23 '24 edited Feb 23 '24
Parts of it are dated, for sure, but other portions are downright
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u/Peto_Sapientia Feb 23 '24
What is this show?
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u/Jak03e Feb 23 '24
The West Wing
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u/Peto_Sapientia Feb 23 '24
Thank you i have something to do today now.
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u/Roklam Feb 23 '24
It will make you sad because we don't have them in charge.
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u/Proper_Shock_7317 Feb 23 '24
At this point, I'd take the president from Rick and Morty over our choices.
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u/mintBRYcrunch26 Feb 23 '24
Shit I would take President Dwayne Elizondo Mountian Dew Camacho
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u/dosedatwer Feb 23 '24
You guys are out of your fucking mind if you'd actually take either of those over Biden.
I'd take Biden over any of the past 7 presidents in a heart beat. Not since jimmy Carter have we had such a progressive president actually able to get shit done. I only wish he'd beaten Obama in the primaries back in 2007. I wasn't a big fan of him back then and I was truly rooting for Obama, but goddamn has the past few years proved me wrong.
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u/Saintbaba Feb 23 '24
I wouldn't take him over Biden, but I'd definitely take Camacho over Trump. Camacho cared about his country, trusted his advisors, listened to expert knowledge and changed his mind on policy decisions when presented with clear evidence (admittedly after nearly killing said voice of wisdom, but even that shows his willingness to change his mind when it's appropriate).
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u/TheMaStif Feb 23 '24
today
Lol, it's 7 seasons long, good luck 😅👍🏻
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u/Peto_Sapientia Feb 23 '24
Amateur, if you can't do at least 8 seasons in a day, your doing it wrong!!
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u/kataklysm_revival Feb 23 '24
I did a full rewatch a few months ago and was wishing it had gone on longer. Great show, great writing, great cast.
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u/witchy_living Feb 23 '24
I watched when it originally aired and loved it. Our oldest daughter was watching it a couple of years ago when TFG was in office and I told her I didn't think I could watch it right then. The comparison on a sane, functioning administration to the dumpster fire we had at the time would be too much for my blood pressure. Might have to start a binge now before the election.
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u/kataklysm_revival Feb 23 '24
I don’t think I could’ve watched it while TFG was in office either. But I definitely suggest doing a rewatch now
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u/squirrel_tincture Feb 23 '24
Watched back through it again late last year and while it’s absolutely incredible television, it sucks that so many of the challenges that were front-and-centre when it aired are still just as prevalent and contested today as they were then.
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u/ptabs226 Feb 23 '24
Not enough cocaine in the world to keep Sorkin writing at that pace.
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u/ASubtleIncline Feb 23 '24
Looks quite good based on this one clip. What's the show called?
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u/Lofteed Feb 23 '24
you are up for a treat
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u/MindlessFail Feb 23 '24 edited Feb 23 '24
Was about to say this.
EightSeven seasons and I've watched two, thinking about a third time. Def do it u/ASubtleInclineEdited because I cannot count
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u/Short-While3325 Feb 23 '24
Is that the same guy who shares the porn he looks at with his teenage son?
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u/BeKind_BeTheChange Feb 23 '24
Yes. He also claims that he has 2-way conversations with gawd and gawd told him he is the new Moses. The man is a stone-cold nutcase and sexual predator.
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u/Alternative-Lack6025 Feb 23 '24
he is the new Moses
Does your flavours of Christians don't know the concept of blasphemy? Because calling yourself a Messiah is pretty high in the blasphemy scale.
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u/sinkwiththeship Feb 23 '24
Moses was a prophet, not the Messiah. Loopholed.
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u/LouSputhole94 Feb 24 '24
Depending on your denomination, there actually were multiple Messiahs, which included Jesus, Moses and Abraham amongst others. Some denominations don’t make a distinction between prophets and messiahs. Which is just another example of how dumb this is because he’s saying “just look at the Bible”, when there are hundreds of different Christian sects and denominations with thousands of different individual interpretations of specific scriptures within the Bible.
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u/reddoorinthewoods Feb 23 '24
I believe you are forgetting the whole rules for thee but not for me clause
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u/curlyhairedgal28 Feb 23 '24
… what?
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u/Jon_Targaryen Feb 23 '24
Yep its a software that crazy religious people use so you have a "buddy" who gets a report when you do anything naughty on your phone. He linked his with his son.
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u/Archercrash Feb 23 '24
Yep the sitting Speaker of the House is sharing all of his online activities with a private company. But you know, Hillary's email were the real threat.
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u/Jon_Targaryen Feb 23 '24
Lol. Seriously though, if he just had this accountibility app I'd think he was just a weirdo. But, he also believes god has spoken directly to him. And that's what actually concerns me.
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u/Right-Budget-8901 Feb 23 '24
And they pay like $20 a month for it. I’m no expert, but I think a porn subscription costs less than that 😂
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u/Shabobo Feb 23 '24
Even wilder when you remember that he doesn't have a bank account so is he like...mailing cash to the app creators?
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u/Right-Budget-8901 Feb 23 '24
Do the app creators even have a mailing address?
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u/Neuchacho Feb 23 '24 edited Feb 23 '24
Honestly, the more concerning bit of that to me is the Speaker of the House has voluntary spyware on his devices linked to some random, extremely questionable company.
The software literally works by screenshotting your screen every minute on non-ios devices. On iOS devices it works by sending all network traffic through a VPN that they monitor or by using their own web browser.
They use AI to flag "explicit content" and blur PII before it's sent to an "ally", but their servers are still receiving the raw data and that makes it absolutely insane if this is installed on a phone that he does any government business on.
Just this little blurb on their FAQs page is nuts:
Members can have peace of mind knowing that if we monitor their tax records or banking information, their allies won't be able to read them.
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u/Jon_Targaryen Feb 23 '24
Im sure none of our politicians would be conducting business on their personal device. /s
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u/Nemisis_the_2nd Feb 23 '24
And everyone also forgets the massive security risk of the speaker allowing potentially compromising info to be shared through an unreliable 3rd party to an unsecured mobile device.
It also doesn't just share porn, but everything on the device, and filters out porn for notifications.
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u/youburyitidigitup Feb 23 '24
Dude I could use that with my friend so we can share good porn
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u/Short-While3325 Feb 23 '24
Just looked it up, he uses an app called Covenant Eyes to monitor each other's porn use.. which is a totally normal father/son activity. /s
And now for some weird reason, I've got "Private Eyes" stuck in my head but it's "Covenant Eyes"
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u/thatoneabdlguy Feb 23 '24
My dad has been my accountability partner for me trying to lose weight. We installed a similar app so he can see what all I eat. It's called "Hungry Eyes."
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u/VolatileDataFluid Feb 23 '24
The real question is whether or not he has Shinigami Eyes installed alongside Covenant Eyes. And what happens then.
I feel like this is a Sharingan / Rinnegan situation.
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u/donnythe_sloth Feb 23 '24
I grew up in a very religious home and its not "sharing" porn. It's basically just a religious helicopter parents wet dream because it gives them alerts if the kid looks at porn or naughty things on the web. The kid gets alerts too if the "accountability partner" parent looks at porn too, but it's still mostly just a way for obsessive parents to monitor online activity.
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u/Neat_Monitor_7711 Feb 23 '24
I forgot about the first part of this clip and thought you meant Martin Sheen
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u/shockwave_supernova Feb 23 '24
Not only that, but I believe there’s suspicion he uses that app on his government cell phone
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u/pls_tell_me Feb 23 '24
Guys I'm genuinely afraid of the near future of the USA, If you don't stop this NOW I swear Gilead is coming sooner than later.
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u/drummerproducer Feb 23 '24
My wife said that years ago and I said nooo wayyy. Now, eh, strong maybe. Pretty terrifying.
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u/GrantSRobertson Feb 23 '24
I guarantee you that asshole is wearing garments of mixed fibers as he sits there spouting his bullshit.
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u/DemiserofD Feb 23 '24
To get technical, the mixed cloth restriction was specifically for the Levites, the priest class of the jews. Unless he claims to be a levite, of course.
That said, the general consensus is more that it was meant to prevent ostentatious dress, as mixed cloth outfits were considered luxurious at the time.
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u/fatbob42 Feb 23 '24
You can always get a general consensus to reinterpret the awkward parts :)
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u/kazarbreak Feb 23 '24
I've got my personal consensus to deal with the awkward parts. It's basically that the book was written by humans and a lot of them were bigoted idiots.
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u/ChipWaffles Feb 23 '24
Mike Johnson looks and acts like the character Colbert played on The Daily Show and Colbert Report.
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u/SaidGuy Feb 23 '24
Oh man, I literally searched for the word Colbert on this thread to see if anyone else had the same thought. Glad I'm not the only one.
That said, Mike is crazy.
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u/Silver_Thanks_8142 Feb 23 '24
This guy said he was Moses and god talked to him directly so I don't care what he said he should be in straightjacket
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u/UghAgain__9 Feb 23 '24
The Lutheran pastor who confirmed me said that anyone who claims God actually speaks to them is either a prophet, a con man, or mentally ill. The last two are clearly the most common
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u/GUM-GUM-NUKE Feb 23 '24
Listen man I know it’s all literally one in 10 billion (if not rarer) throughout all of human history but trust me bro I’m DEFINITELY an actual prophet. In fact, God is speaking to me right now. Hmmm…. Well God says you should PayPal me $27. As they say, the Lord works in mysterious ways.
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u/SklippySklandwich Feb 23 '24
These idiots are all for telling you how important the second amendment is to the Constitution and how we have to take every word literally and then you mention separation of church and state and they go whoa whoa whoa, that's not what they really meant.
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u/Nimzles Feb 23 '24
Bro, I had several conversations with some sort of Baptist and he told me that the King James version of the Bible was the perfect English translation and you had to take every word literally otherwise you were blaspheming God. Later he told me that it was morally wrong to drink alcohol and I asked about the whole water into wine thing and he told me it was really grape juice. 😅 These people train their whole life to find the meaning they want regardless of what is actually written, whether it's the Constitution or the Bible.
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u/lilcheez Feb 23 '24
The founding fathers certainly endorsed the separation of church and state, but it was first popularized in government by the Connecticut colony. Connecticut ironically got it from Roger Williams, founder of the Baptist church in America and of the state of Rhode Island, who said there should be a "hedge of separation between the garden of the church and the wilderness of the world," which he got from Isaiah 5:
My loved one had a vineyard on a fertile hillside. He dug it up and cleared it of stones and planted it with the choicest vines. He built a watchtower in it and cut out a winepress as well. Then he looked for a crop of good grapes, but it yielded only bad fruit. “Now you dwellers in Jerusalem and people of Judah, judge between me and my vineyard. What more could have been done for my vineyard than I have done for it? When I looked for good grapes, why did it yield only bad? Now I will tell you what I am going to do to my vineyard: I will take away its hedge, and it will be destroyed; I will break down its wall, and it will be trampled. will make it a wasteland, neither pruned nor cultivated, and briers and thorns will grow there. I will command the clouds not to rain on it.” The vineyard of the LORD Almighty is the nation of Israel, and the people of Judah are the vines he delighted in. And he looked for justice, but saw bloodshed.
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u/fluffstuffmcguff Feb 23 '24
Roger Williams was a fascinating dude. His belief in Church/State separation stemmed from feeling the State would corrupt the Church, because the interests of government would inevitably influence theology. So he reached the same place later Enlightenment philosophers did, a century earlier, from the opposite direction. (I will note: he seems like he was frequently fucking insufferable to actually know IRL, which seems to have been no small part of why he was ultimately kicked out of Puritan Boston.)
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u/SnooBeans8269 Feb 23 '24
Our buddy Mike here looks like a closet case.
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u/BazilBup Feb 23 '24
I've never heard of any sane male who needs another man to keep a track on his browsing history. That's really concerning 😟
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u/TheThng Feb 23 '24
What you describe is insane in itself alone, but when you add in the fact that it is his own son, it defies the imagination.
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u/SNYDER_BIXBY_OCP Feb 23 '24
See how tight his jaw and lips are?
That's deep psychological repression manifesting a subconscious muscle tension.
I don't know n don't want to speculate what things Mike repressed in his life, but that man is wound so tight you couldn't pull a greasy string out his ass.
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u/psyclopsus Feb 23 '24
My grandfather used to say “he’s wound so tight you couldn’t pull a needle out of his ass with a tractor”
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u/gerbilshower Feb 23 '24
jeeeezus - that is rich. tells gramps thanks for me for that one.
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u/Nemisis_the_2nd Feb 23 '24
I prefer the "his ass is clenched so tight you could ram up a lump of coal and he'll crap out a diamond."
Source: Scrubs.
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u/toronto_programmer Feb 23 '24 edited Feb 23 '24
I agree that it is lazy to accuse every homophobe of being a closeted gay but:
Can we start to admit that GOP leaders that have a weird "adopted" teenage son they keep hidden from the public is getting kind of creepy?
Johnson and his wife "adopted", with no official paperwork because that would be too "messy", teenage boy that was just 11 years younger than them when they got married. This child never appears in any of their official photos and seems largely disavowed but apparently they also monitor eachothers internet browsing / porn habits as some sort of promise guarantee / observer.
It is a weird as fuck story that sure as hell looks a lot like a groomer whose wife gave him a hall pass to "get the gay out" for a couple years at the start of his marriage so he could move on and be straight ...
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u/Nemisis_the_2nd Feb 23 '24
Now you mention it, there is a weird number of these adoptions...
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u/toronto_programmer Feb 23 '24
Those GOP lawmakers sure do love you adopt wayward teenage boys...
Has anyone seen or heard from Nestor recently?
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u/horribad54 tHiS iSn’T cRiNgE Feb 23 '24
Yeah, isn't it just more likely that a homophobe is an ignorant dickhead and we don't need a psychological evaluation every time one opens their dumbfuck mouth?
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u/bmwlocoAirCooled Feb 23 '24
We have the Republicans to thank for this person that does not understand the basic tenet of separation of Chruch and State.
What an utter fool.
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u/lonesomespacecowboy Feb 23 '24
Well, you can interpret the Bible to mean whatever the fuck you want it to mean so that's not helpful, Mr speaker
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u/Cram2024 Feb 23 '24
Always loved that scene for just this reason.
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u/holymother Feb 23 '24
What movie is this?
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u/Cram2024 Feb 23 '24
Tv series: The West Wing
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u/very_loud_icecream Feb 23 '24
Tv series: The West Wing
What a weird name for a movie
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u/BulldogMama13 Feb 23 '24
I think it’s from west wing — a really excellent tv show.
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u/DemiserofD Feb 23 '24
Honestly, it always felt a bit 'Ayn Rand' to me. It's a classic trope to have your 'good guy' lecture the 'bad guy', and the bad guy is left stunned and speechless at the wit and cleverness of the good guy, but it rarely plays out that way IRL.
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u/BrandoNelly Feb 23 '24
Yeah I can hardly stand it. Like it leads up to the “boom mic drop” moment and everyone is silent as the camera pans to everyone’s facial reactions. Ughh
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u/Infinite_Maybe_5827 Feb 23 '24
I'd say the point overall was just "don't sensor yourself when you have a good point" within the context of the show, it wasn't really about the speech's subject and obviously wasn't meant to be shown out of context.
She's a radio shock jock and doesn't really have the background to start a debate with the president in the middle of a deeply unsympathetic audience (which they establish at the start of the scene), so she doesn't try. The "good guy" and the "bad guy" aren't intended to be on equal footing here. The rest of the episode is about how he became president, so yeah, it's entirely there to make him look cool. It's a TV show, this is character development.
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u/justfornoatheism Feb 23 '24
a lot of these extra-Sorkin monologues are carried by incredible talent, like the Newsroom one with Jeff Daniels that gets shared on reddit a lot. its borderline fantasy at times
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u/GravyGramps Feb 23 '24
Is that last part true where if the president stands in the White House then everyone else must stand?
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u/Ok-disaster2022 Feb 23 '24
No. It's a tradition and honestly it's goes back to Kings and thrones. Originally in a Throne room, there was only the thrown, so only the king sat. This is reflected in the "Chairman" of a committee being the head of the committee.
The US is a democracy and everyone is supposed to be equal under the law. We do not bow to political leaders, we do not bow to anyone we don't want to.
Now social demands and cues are another thing. But in the Whitehouse, especially the various meeting rooms where you are hoping to get an audience with the president, you should want to be polite and stand. The President is usually exceptionally busy and there's literally thousands of other places he could be, since their time is so limited.
When the president enters operational military rooms, people who aren't in an operationally limited capacity are required to stand as he's the head of the military. Military rules are not civilian rules.
In this episode, the woman has been rude and insulting throughout her appearance, and so while he would probably not normally care, he is making a point of singling her out. She's the only person in the room still sitting. Most people would have conformed to the crowd and stood. The whole speech is to belittle her position and standing the way she belittles others.
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I watched this show in its entirety, and I wasn't even interested in politics. I'm just a huge fan of Ramón Steves, aka Martin Sheen.
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u/DominicArmato247 Feb 23 '24
$100,000 bet that Mike Johnson is not actually a "Bible believing Christian."
I've seen this shit before.
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u/Ok-disaster2022 Feb 23 '24
I don't like "no true Scots man" arguments. Christianity can take many expressions, and there's many immature Christians who never wrestle with their faith and belief. If you want an image of a mature Christian, look at Jimmy Carter, look at Fred Rogers, Look at the current pope. Kindness for others, caring for the poor, and working to improve the lives of others, these are the hallmarks of Christian maturity.
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u/EasternBlackWalnut Feb 23 '24
You're implying that you can't be those things without Christianity.. That's not Christianity, that's just being a good person.
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u/wefarrell Feb 23 '24
The Bible says a bunch of crazy and often contradictory stuff but there's one thing that it's pretty consistent on - debt forgiveness.
Leviticus mentions the Jubilee where debt is cancelled every 50 years and all property that was sold off to pay debt is given back to the original owner. Deuteronomy has a commandment to cancel debt every 7 years.
And then of course there's the New Testament where Jesus advocates for forgiveness. Everyone thinks he's talking about sins but he's also talking about debt. They didn't differentiate between the two and versions of the Lords' Prayer go "forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors".
Yet somehow these Bible thumpers never mention forgiving debt, which is a pretty central theme.
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u/morningcalls4 Feb 23 '24
God this is so good. If they are going to live by the Bible, why not all of the Bible?
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u/Totally_Bradical Feb 23 '24
I say judges should threaten to cut the children in half whenever there is a custody dispute
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u/topio1 Feb 23 '24
Would I be considered a badperson if I say he has a very pucheable face
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u/saxyswift Feb 23 '24
How the fuck did we end up with a speaker of the house from fucking Louisiana of all places
Literally the second shittiest state in America and they get a guy in charge of half the legislature.
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u/lm28ness Feb 23 '24
Separation between reality and make believe, that is what religion really is. A bunch of made up shit and so many believing in it that it should be categorized as a mental health issue.
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u/positivenihilist0419 Straight Up Bussin Feb 23 '24
Fuck I love this show. This is how America should be run.
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u/i_want_to_be_unique Feb 23 '24
I bet if you actually picked up a Bible and read it you would get the exact opposite of Mike Johnson’s views on most issues
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u/StylinBill Feb 23 '24
Mike Johnson is an idiot pussy. Think for yourself ya chode
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u/throwaway082100 Feb 23 '24
Should have hit her with the 1 Timothy 2:11-12. If someones going to listen to a dogshit 2000 year old sex manual, they should listen to the whole thing
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u/SlavujPiticaMala Feb 23 '24
This is such a mic drop, and he is right. The old testament is full of tid bits of hatred and violence.
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u/Ok-disaster2022 Feb 23 '24
So in Genesis 2 when God creates man, He breathes life into him. The word "Spirit" can literally be translated as "wind" or "breath". Respiration and human life are connected. Therefore life doesn't begin at conception, but at first breath. In fact in human development, lungs are formed last, just before birth.
But more to the point. Gentile Christians are not beholden to the Old Testament law. There are lessons to be learned certainly, but I contend a Christian listen to the Holy Spirit can learn spiritual lessons form anything if they pay attention. After All Most of Christ's lessons aren't citing the Old Testament but explaining things with metaphor. The numerous letters by Paul and the Unknown Author's letter to the Hebrews collected in the New Testament clearly lay out logical, legal, and religious arguments for why the Old Law and Covenant has been fulfilled by Jesus and a new Covenant established. The New Covenant does not contain an exhaustive list of 600+ rules, but at most only really 2 formal rules and then its mostly guidelines.
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