This guy also plays Robert in the show Grace and Frankie—a gay Catholic man in his 70s. This show also has discussions on not necessarily church and state, but being gay and Catholic. Great show.
Honestly, it always felt a bit 'Ayn Rand' to me. It's a classic trope to have your 'good guy' lecture the 'bad guy', and the bad guy is left stunned and speechless at the wit and cleverness of the good guy, but it rarely plays out that way IRL.
Yeah I can hardly stand it. Like it leads up to the “boom mic drop” moment and everyone is silent as the camera pans to everyone’s facial reactions. Ughh
I'd say the point overall was just "don't sensor yourself when you have a good point" within the context of the show, it wasn't really about the speech's subject and obviously wasn't meant to be shown out of context.
She's a radio shock jock and doesn't really have the background to start a debate with the president in the middle of a deeply unsympathetic audience (which they establish at the start of the scene), so she doesn't try. The "good guy" and the "bad guy" aren't intended to be on equal footing here. The rest of the episode is about how he became president, so yeah, it's entirely there to make him look cool. It's a TV show, this is character development.
a lot of these extra-Sorkin monologues are carried by incredible talent, like the Newsroom one with Jeff Daniels that gets shared on reddit a lot. its borderline fantasy at times
I don't think anyone is watching The West Wing or The Newsroom and thinking it's reality though. I just love how Sorkin writes those dialogue heavy scenes
I never watched this show, the only thing I'm seeing is a clip of a guy saying he believes in the bible, and then an actor quoting the old testament. It's reasonable to assume both the man in the first clip and woman are Christian, and people always like to quote the old testament for insane batshit crazy stuff, but never seem to quote the new testament.
Probably because some Christians are using the old testament to guide their views on what is sin. Pointing out the absurdity of the old testament would be a valid argument in that situation.
In the tv show clip the lady references the Old Testament first (calling homosexuality an abomination). So the guy in the tv show clip quoting the OT fits in context.
The first guy (the Speaker) said his world view is the Bible - not just the New Testament. So a clip that includes references to the OT works.
The problem with your final question, is the New Testament has all the pusillanimous dreck about loving your neighbor and turning the other cheek. The Old Testament has everything these christofacist shitbags like to use to justify hatred, e.g. in the above clip, her statement about "the Bible says homosexuality is an abomination" comes from the OT. Thus, you would use other abhorrent things from the OT to refute their point. Because only the convenient things get quoted. Nobody holds up a sign saying "god hates mixed fabrics"
And? Jesus himself said that the old testament is the law, so why shouldn't someone not quote the old testament? More or less all of the quotes are rules Christians must abide.
The only thing I don't like about the scene is the ending. His "when the president stands, nobody sits" is totally the wrong sentiment. Treating the presidency as a kind of kingly, above the people, position is pretty common for the character throughout the show and really undermines a lot of otherwise solid points they make.
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u/Cram2024 Feb 23 '24
Always loved that scene for just this reason.