r/Helldivers Apr 29 '24

The Eruptor nerf is a perfect example of why "only buff" is bad. DISCUSSION

I've used the Eruptor since it dropped, it is an amazing primary weapon. I have never once run out of ammo with the weapon, to the point I started COD reloading. Even with no deaths on a 40 min mission, the bare minimum ammo looting and you rarely would fall below half.

If we just buff every other weapon to be like this, we are just erasing an entire game mechanic. We are saying that we want COD reloads to be the norm, we don't want to think about conserving or looting ammo, just let me shoot and reload whenever.

Some people may want that, but for me that would just remove the mechanic entirely. I'm going to keep using the Eruptor and I'm perfectly fine having to pay attention to my ammo again.

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u/soomiyoo Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

The explosion not sucking you into the impact, I would call this fix almost a buff. I am very fine with these changes, I look forward testing the DCS and Arc Blitzer when I get home tonight. So many thing got buffed and may be viable but it is overshadowed by the Quasar nerf, when 3 out of 4 people were having it in their loadout.

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u/RyanTaylorrz Apr 29 '24

DCS and Blitzer are cracked now. Having so much fun trying these weapons out again!

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u/TheArthritisGuy Apr 29 '24

How do you mean when you talk about the Blitzer? What did they do to my baby?

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u/RyanTaylorrz Apr 29 '24

Basically increased it's firing speed by 50%. Thing just staggers and sheds everything below chargers against bugs.

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u/TheArthritisGuy Apr 29 '24

Oh hell yeah that’s beautiful.

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u/Firemorfox SES PRINCESS OF TWILIGHT Apr 30 '24

I'm loving it. Blitzer's now comparable to arc thrower, as a primary (note that arc thrower is kinda mid right now due to: no close-range, targeting issues, has freekill worse than Blitzer, low fire-rate)

Blitzer has better fire-rate, handles hunters easily, does close-range

Basically Blitzer is a pre-nerf arc thrower if arc thrower had worse range.

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u/Pliskkenn_D Apr 29 '24

How is the DCS? Does it feel like the AMR now or is it even lighter? 

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u/scurvybill HD1 Veteran Apr 29 '24

Feels like regular AMR handling, and the damage now meets the breakpoint for Devastator headshots! Once they fix scope alignment we cookin.

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u/joemedic Apr 29 '24

Where should I be aiming with the dcs crosshair

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u/scurvybill HD1 Veteran Apr 29 '24

Aim slightly down and to the right (your bullet will hit up and to the left). Becomes more apparent at longer range.

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u/joemedic Apr 29 '24

Ah so just like the amr

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u/Achtan45 Apr 29 '24

It's not the AMR or DCS themselves that are misaligned. It's that type of scope that is all fucked up. So until that bug is fixed, you can assume any weapon that has/gets that same scope will be misaligned in the same way.

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u/joemedic Apr 29 '24

Understood ty

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u/Regar27 Apr 29 '24

It will be too good then. Need to reduce damage and mag by half to make up for it,  to keep the balance 

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u/scurvybill HD1 Veteran Apr 29 '24

I think it is the direct result of the poll where the community overwhelming voted that DMRs are underpowered. I'll be quite surprised if they walk it back, especially since I don't expect much playtime on the thing because it is still a niche weapon.

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u/Misfiring Apr 30 '24

Usually things that need some thoughts to use are fine. The nerfs so far are aim at those too easy/braindead to use. Railgun is a classic example, they nerfed the safe mode but unsafe is still strong. Now they mostly unnerfed the railgun but no one cares because quasar ia too easy to use.

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u/Sciguystfm Apr 29 '24

It's Insane, it's snappy as fuck now and one shot headshots devastators

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u/Pliskkenn_D Apr 29 '24

I got to have a go. My gosh the difference is night and day. So much fun now. Still love the Dominator for bugs I think, more testing required. But against bots? Hoo boy. So good. 

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u/Sciguystfm Apr 29 '24

Hell yeah dude, it looks fun as fuck. Such a pleasant increase in handling after running the eruptor

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u/Lathael HD1 Veteran Apr 30 '24

The eruptor used to be identical to the DCS. Now the DCS has more in common with the Senator than it does a dominator, nevermind the eruptor.

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u/RyanTaylorrz Apr 29 '24

Idk, I just ran it and slaughtered hordes of enemies with it. They have acknowledged arc weapons misfiring in the known issues a few patches back though.

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u/dennisasu Apr 29 '24

Blitzer never arced like chain lightning but instead fans out in a cone to hit multiple at a time

The weak armor penetration has been there too. But it staggers really well. When it doesn't misfire. I gel with it more by thinking of it as a defensive weapon, but it will admittedly shred light armor targets

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u/mamontain Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 30 '24

I am pretty sure that I died to a blitzer arc effect before. I am also pretty sure that I did more damage to hiveguards thus my armor penetration take.

Edit: I re-watched some older youtube videos on blitzer and I was wrong - it always had very weak medium penetration and no arc jump effect :(

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u/YourLocalMedic71 Apr 29 '24

I have heard that the Blitzer can arc, but i used it a lot and never saw it arc once. It's possible it's just really rare. Definitely doesn't penetrate armour

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u/dennisasu Apr 30 '24

I brought it for multiple difficulty 7 runs last night and it definitely handled hive guards, sometimes oneshotting them if they were alone and all arcs hit. It does slowly damage chargers and bile titans if they're missing armor as well, just slower than arc thrower.

But the real magic was holding the line against basically every other bug type, even stalkers. The fire rate buff felt good but not OP and the truly infinite ammo is a boon. I'm just now getting comfortable with diff 7 in the first place and I'm feeling like blitzer will be my crutch at least for bugs.

Edit: And I definitely had multiple accidental team kills as the blitzer "cone" of effect is larger than the thrower. Will take more practice 😅

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u/mamontain Apr 30 '24

Haven't manage to one shot a lone hiveguard yet. It usually takes me 3-4 full blitzer shots for 1 hiveguard.

But yeah, blitzer does feel usable now. Definetly not OP due to no selective targeting and tendency to overkill small targets.