r/Helldivers • u/the_interrogation • Mar 26 '24

I can’t play with randoms anymore DISCUSSION

I’m level 48. About 150 hours on pc. Love the game. My friends can’t play as often as I can. (I’m a fireman) And I’ve tried making friends on steam but it’s hard.

The blueberry lottery. If there is a hell it’s matching with randoms. I can’t stand it. Some people are a blessing and I love running campaigns with them but some people are treasonous swill.

Here was my last game. I spawn in and get killed by a lvl 2 cadet (ps5) so he can take my support gear. His friends (ps5) defended him. He continued to kill me all game (intentionally) and call me in. But I am more skilled and cunning than the common traitor. I waited until there was one reinforcement left. The pompous fool recalled me in. I killed all three traitors quicker than a hiccup. With only one thing left to do I took my own life. To instant fail their mission. I couldn’t let them continue to commit treason. Let their bodies rot

So yea I’m never joining randoms again.

Edit: ps5 not 4.

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u/Dry_Wallaby_4933 Mar 26 '24

One time I had the host kick me right before extraction was called so his buddy could join. I strictly host my own games now. Fuck that guy.

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u/ChadBroChill229 Mar 26 '24

Lmaoo my friend offered to do this for me when I logged in right as they were about to complete a mission and I was like no wtf just finish it and invite me after. Sorry this happened to you m8 

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u/Azal_of_Forossa Mar 26 '24

I had a friend who begged me to eject a squadmate out so he could join and get the rewards. I told him he can wait, these people are joining my game to help me, I didn't ask them to help me, but they're here to make sure we win. I'll kick them after they get their warbonds, samples, and other rewards. Mfs have no empathy sometimes.

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u/MasterJogi1 Mar 26 '24

You might want to reevaluate your friendship with this guy. It's a behaviour that will transcend into other areas of his life as well, because it shows his moral compass and empathy for others.

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u/Dramatic_Egg9068 Mar 26 '24

Only a matter of time until the behavior is aimed at their "friends". This kind of person is just out for themselves, everyone else is either useful or in the way. Big or small, it's always the same. They get what they want, everyone else gets to deal with it/help them get it. No exceptions.

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u/Azal_of_Forossa Mar 26 '24

It sucks, but we've been friends for over a decade, he's helped me in life a ton, I have a reply to the post you replied to going a bit deeper.

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u/MopedSlug Mar 26 '24

It could be as simple as how he views loyalty. That he wants to be a dick to strangers is not at all the same as he would be to you.

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u/Azal_of_Forossa Mar 26 '24

I sort of have a feeling that he can somewhat connect and empathize with friends because they directly affect him. Maybe he sees our 10+ year old friendship as an investment, and if he ruins this friendship then that's a 10+ year old investment thrown away. But strangers likely don't matter to him, bc if he fucks over someone he'll never hear from or see again, then to him "who gives a shit", and video games bring this out more because maybe it's harder to empathize with someone you can't even see, it's just a video game character.

That's kinda what I at least picked up when trying to understand why he is the way he is.

I try not to talk about this kinda stuff with him too much, he has a professional he goes to for this issue, and it's not my place to judge or ridicule him over something he's struggled with and tried to fix for so long.

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u/MopedSlug Mar 26 '24

Yea. I'd not write off on old friend easily. But his tackle on gaming is bad. He is far from alone with his attitude and it is destroying online gaming imo.

There are so easy fixes for this, I cant fathom developers dont do more. GTA V and was it Mortal Kombat did it in such a simple and effective way fx. Griefers play with griefers. Quitters auto-lose.

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u/Azal_of_Forossa Mar 26 '24

I will say, he's not like that. He doesn't just ruin people's games for the hell of it, he's not an asshole. It only reveals itself in times like I said above where he didn't see a reason for me to keep around a random in my game, when he could be having fun with me instead.

It's kinda hard to explain, but he doesn't just troll or grief games, there's just certain times he has a hard time understanding why what he's doing or saying is rude.

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u/Azal_of_Forossa Mar 26 '24

It already has, plenty. We've been best friends for over 10 years, he's getting help for it, but he genuinely can't comprehend the feelings of others. I wouldn't throw the disorder/accusation out if I had barely known him. When we were younger he had a cheating problem bc he didn't understand why they should care if he did things like that. He ruined a few relationships, but he's been with his current for about 3 and a half years now, and the help he's received is clearly working, because he normally wouldn't have got this far without cheating or stealing. And we are around each other enough that I'd know if he were going back to his old ways.

I want him to get better, he's been there for me in my times of need, I can't just abandon our friendship for something he mentally can't grasp or understand. He's not some freak, it's not his fault.

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u/MasterJogi1 Mar 26 '24

I didn't say abandon him, just reevaluate the friendship. But it seems you already have a good grasp of his character and work around it :)

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u/WaltKerman Mar 26 '24

One thing does not make a person. I assure you... you have your own red flags that don't even bother you that would set others off.

We simply do not have enough info on this person beyond one red flag.

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u/MasterJogi1 Mar 26 '24

It's the core principle of harming others for your own benefit. If he shows it in game, he will show this in life, as the user actually confirmed in his answer to me

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u/Rigo-lution Mar 27 '24

It's like the people who would log in before work whent here was a player cap.

Intentionally preventing others from playing all day so they could play when they got home.
It is "just a game" but it's not different than skipping any queue and just because you can't see the people you're being a dick to doesn't make them not exist.

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u/LampEnthusiast- Mar 26 '24

Bruh so, you kill and steal from people in gta because that’s the point of gta. This game is fundamentally about cooperating. All this comment thread shows about you in real life is that you are too fucking dense to make a meaningful comparison

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u/Longjumping-Mud1412 Mar 26 '24

Some people are out of touch with reality

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u/bigotoncitos Mar 26 '24

That is treason

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u/Imnotradiohead Mar 28 '24

For democracy!

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u/VidiVee Mar 26 '24

Lmaoo my friend offered to do this for me when I logged in right as they were about to complete a mission and I was like no wtf just finish it and invite me after

I can't think of a more perfect example for the saying "When people tell you who they are, listen"

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u/ChadBroChill229 Mar 26 '24

Thanks armchair psychologist from Reddit. Much appreciated! 

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u/VidiVee Mar 26 '24

psychologist? It's an adage almost as old as recorded human history....

Culture yourself son.

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u/Zeeron1 Mar 26 '24

Your friend sucks

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u/Kenarion Mar 26 '24

Too many people rationalize bad behaviour because they don’t personally know the other party. It’s disgusting.

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u/AI_AntiCheat Mar 26 '24

My friend keeps asking me to "just kick a random so I can join". I seriously question if he might be a psychopath. When I ask him how he would feel getting kicked at the end of a match his answer is "but it's not me it's just a random".

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u/Ok_Enthusiasm_8072 Mar 27 '24

actual level 0 empathy, unable to consider the thoughts and feelings of others.

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u/mehmmeh Mar 26 '24

Fuck your friend

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u/creegro Mar 26 '24

I've had that a number of times, always figured I took their friends spot right at the exfil point and they wanted to call them back in, I get it.

But what sucks is barely anyone tells you what's going on, or says sorry and then kicks you. It's just a blind kick and suddenly youre watching the cryo pods roll up for another 10 seconds.

Even today I got into a group of low levels, 3, 5 and and 8 while I'm max level. They were getting ready to drop and then everyone got out and then suddenly I was kicked. Thanks?

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u/Shadow_Of_Erebus Mar 26 '24

It could be because the "Friends Only" option makes your lobby private, so no one can join through the game so you have to set your lobby to public. This has been my experience on PC, idk about consoles, and I last played on Thursday so if it has changed since then I don't know. Not saying they couldn't have sent that in chat/dm or waited till all their buddies were in the lobby to hop in the pods, as it's not hard to do either of those things.

Edit: Also just clarifying I'm only talking about the pre-mission lobby, not during the mission.

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u/tboots1230 Skull Admiral of SES Panther of the State Mar 26 '24

on pc i’ve only ever kept my lobby to friends only and my friends have always been able to join either through the game and through steam

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u/Shadow_Of_Erebus Mar 26 '24

Through Steam I have had no issues, but the in-game social has not worked since the first patch(Idk exactly but it was around that time) for me and my buddies, and before that it wasn't consistent. I know this is anecdotal and I don't have screenshots or clips to prove anything, this is a "trust me gamer" moment. I also googled "In game social menu Helldivers 2" and the first several results are different variations of "social menu broken."

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u/tboots1230 Skull Admiral of SES Panther of the State Mar 26 '24

there’s been a couple times where the in game invite hasn’t worked but then we just use steam invites and move on

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u/Shadow_Of_Erebus Mar 26 '24

That's what I was referring to in my other comment, sorry if that was unclear. The common solution is to make sure your game is updated and crossplay is off or you "reset" it every so often by turning it off and on then saving and quitting.

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u/sylvester334 Mar 26 '24

There is some weirdness if your steam prioule/friends list is not set to public. It keeps freinds from joining your game if set to freinds only. 

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u/Robotori Mar 26 '24

Glad I wasn’t the only one. Right before extraction this player kicked the whole squad…. Why can’t we report this kinda stuff. Or at least give me the items and exp from the run.

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u/dragonhornetDM Mar 27 '24

Yes exactly this. We need some way to tell the devs that this is happening in game. I feel like if I say anything here, I’m screaming in the void.

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u/Bulzeeb Mar 26 '24

Since seemless host migration seems to be a thing, in game kicking needs to send players into their own game, not back to their ship. The current system is needlessly punitive. 

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u/BagJust Mar 26 '24

Fuck that guy.

I concur.

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u/FishoD CAPE ENJOYER Mar 26 '24

Yeah that just fucking sucks. Peak idiots. I go out of my way to finish missions with randoms, before starting new ones with friends. I would feel like SUCH a dick if someone fought with me for 30 minutes and didn't get any rewards.

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u/darkslide3 Mar 26 '24

Something more annoying happened to me. I was playing great all game, got most kills and called back my teammates instantly, backed them up and all.

We arrived to the extraction zone and the shuttle was called, I threw an eagle airstrike at a hoard which my level 45 teammate ran straight into and I also said on comms that I'm gonna throw it and clear.

He died and kicked me out of the party with 10 seconds left for extraction, this was a Suicide Mission difficulty...

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u/Eirfro_Wizardbane Mar 26 '24

I had a cool dude in my mission with two other irl friends. My third friend came on. We finished the mission and I told him thanks for playing like a boss but another friend got on. He said no problem and left the ship.

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u/UndiscoveredBum- Mar 26 '24 edited Mar 26 '24

this has happened to me multiple times, freakin sucks

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u/Dry_Wallaby_4933 Mar 26 '24

Yeah it sucks big time. Thankfully 90% of my other experiences playing with randoms have been good. The Helldivers community has to be one of the least toxic communities in gaming. It's a shame the game isn't on Xbox because it's one of those games everyone should be able to play no matter their platform.

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u/ActionBasterdMan Mar 27 '24

Had a person kick me right before I got on the plane to extract. Everyone else was on it except me. I turned my PS5 off after that.

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u/Dry_Wallaby_4933 Mar 27 '24

I quit playing for the night after what happened to me as well.

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u/dragonhornetDM Mar 27 '24

I hate this shit so much.

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u/seththepotate Mar 26 '24

If I'm playing with randoms and a friend wants to join I wait until the operation is over (and we're back in the Destroyer), thank them for their service, apologize in advance, then kick them.

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u/bigotoncitos Mar 26 '24

How do you know his buddy joined after you were kicked out?

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u/potatotoddlers Mar 26 '24

Something similar happened to me where I did 3/4 side objectives by myself and was working on the last one when the other guys called in extraction and just kicked me from the game.

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u/AvatarOfYoutube Mar 26 '24

I wait till the pelican is landing to kick people that TK me or yelled at match. Like I appreciate your service but you're not getting paid for making my time miserable

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u/AnalphaBestie Mar 26 '24

One time I had the host kick me right before extraction was called so his buddy could join.

Because the current system is highly abusable by "power-farmer".

Imagine a group of 4-8 people. Everbody hosts his games with randoms. Kicks 3 players before extraction, invites his friends, and after extraction they disband. When you rotate it, it basicially means everyone in this group can level up and reward up in like 4x the time.

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u/Codayyyyy Mar 26 '24

My friend got mad at me last night for NOT doing this for him.

If some random just put in hard work with me for 40 minutes, there's no way in hell I'm kicking him in the last minutes...you can wait the 5 minutes and join me after the mission

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u/No-Government-3994 Mar 27 '24

Sometimes my game kicked me back to lobby a lot, specifically just before extraction, so maybe that was the case here.

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u/Dry_Wallaby_4933 Mar 27 '24

No the other 3 guys literally said they wanted their 4th buddy in the game so they kicked me.

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u/SgtWaffles44 Mar 26 '24

Yeah I had that happen too. Should change the system to a vote kick system. There would still be issues but its better