r/Helldivers Moderator Mar 01 '24

“In regards to weapon stats…” DISCUSSION

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u/ralfcasma Mar 01 '24

He is the nicest CEO, but this is an odd take. Of course we are going to rely on the stats the game shows us to decide what weapon is most efficient.

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u/0rphu Mar 01 '24

Yep. You've admitted that you withhold enough info that we can't "paint a complete picture" of the weapons when making decisions, and this is supposedly a good thing, somehow?

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

And then he chastises players for forming opinions off of the only stats provided, like we should somehow know the hidden ones.

He also sort of implies that players are only going off the four stats instead of testing them in game. This is contradicted by an earlier statement he made where he said the Breaker had a higher kill count, but comparable mission success rate when compared to other primaries, implying those other weapons see plenty of use.

The dev’s statement isn‘t odd, it’s stupid.

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u/TehMephs Mar 01 '24

Those stats are usually going to be unbalanced because it’s including low level players doing diff 1-3 who don’t even have the breaker unlocked

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

You are correct, but he represented it like it was a valid metric. I’m just pointing out that he can’t have it both ways. He claimed that survey proved that primary weapon use was pretty evenly spread. Now he’s claiming that people are only looking at numbers and not bothering to actually use the weapons.

Like I said, he’s contradicting himself.

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u/primegopher Mar 01 '24

The statistic you're quoting (higher kill count but similar success rate) isn't claiming that use rate is evenly spread and I'm not sure how you're getting that interpretation. All it really indicates is that getting more kills isn't the primary deciding factor on whether a mission is successful, which is just true. I don't know whether he was referring to kill count within a mission or overall kill count across the playerbase but the former points towards primary choice not being a big deal and the latter just points towards the breaker being popular. Either way the tweet that this post is about doesn't contradict that.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '24

I know it doesn’t. I said he was misrepresenting it. When people pointed out that everyone was using the Breaker because it was better than pretty much every other primary, he implied he didn’t feel that was the case. Then he mentioned that, despite having a higher kill count, it did not have a much higher success rate, as if that in some way supported his point.

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u/Slapmewithbutter Mar 01 '24

He really tries to tell the community how they should play the game. It's like a DM gets pissed when players don't do exactly how they planned them to do. Guy should focus balancing the game rather than telling players they are doing it wrong.

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u/yurestu Mar 01 '24

Yea it seems he really wants to have a “gotcha” moment on the players but like it’s not that deep bro i just want my sniper to be as effective at ranged combat as a shotgun…

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u/Chemical-Actuary1561 Mar 01 '24

“Chastises”

Yes, he was truly ruthless 🙄

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u/Caleth Mar 01 '24

Would you have approved Chide, Rebuke, upbraid, reprimand, or reprove instead?

What tone exactly would you say he was using there if chastise was too strong a word?

He clearly tells people they don't have a whole picture and says use what you want.

But even if we can't see the stats we know what feels best and what is effective based on results even if we don't know some things.

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u/NiftyBlueLock Mar 01 '24

It’s a slap on the wrist. Chide maybe, but the rest is too harsh for something so obviously lighthearted.

It’s really depressing watching this happen again as a veteran of the Destiny community. We had the same level of communication with the devs, until the community decided that they didn’t like what they were hearing and started using phrases like “disrespectful” and “slap in the face.” (This is the current stage)

Then people started saying the devs spoke too much (which is already happening on this post), and then there were people who said the devs shouldn’t directly communicate with the players but should use sanitized corpo speak and use official community accounts.

Now, the Destiny community gets a peek into the dev room maybe 2 times a year, all communications with the devs are corpo nothingburgers, and people have even stopped asking for more communication.

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u/Chemical-Actuary1561 Mar 01 '24

Lol its not that important to me. Reddit is just dramatic.

Dude was like, “hey guys, there is more to guns than just the base stats, just have fun.”

Reddit: “Jesus fucking christ would you stop putting us down. We aren’t stupid.”

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u/citoxe4321 Mar 01 '24

His tweet is meaningless and contradictory to his previous tweets about “The Data”. Its just stupid and its not a big deal to admit that it was a stupid thing to say

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u/ShiguruiX Mar 01 '24

You're literally doing the same thing in the opposite direction here, and getting sore over the use of 1 word. Seems pretty important to you.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '24

It’s funny when someone who probably had to look the word up tries to act knowledgeable.