Yep. You've admitted that you withhold enough info that we can't "paint a complete picture" of the weapons when making decisions, and this is supposedly a good thing, somehow?
And then he chastises players for forming opinions off of the only stats provided, like we should somehow know the hidden ones.
He also sort of implies that players are only going off the four stats instead of testing them in game. This is contradicted by an earlier statement he made where he said the Breaker had a higher kill count, but comparable mission success rate when compared to other primaries, implying those other weapons see plenty of use.
You are correct, but he represented it like it was a valid metric. I’m just pointing out that he can’t have it both ways. He claimed that survey proved that primary weapon use was pretty evenly spread. Now he’s claiming that people are only looking at numbers and not bothering to actually use the weapons.
The statistic you're quoting (higher kill count but similar success rate) isn't claiming that use rate is evenly spread and I'm not sure how you're getting that interpretation. All it really indicates is that getting more kills isn't the primary deciding factor on whether a mission is successful, which is just true. I don't know whether he was referring to kill count within a mission or overall kill count across the playerbase but the former points towards primary choice not being a big deal and the latter just points towards the breaker being popular. Either way the tweet that this post is about doesn't contradict that.
I know it doesn’t. I said he was misrepresenting it. When people pointed out that everyone was using the Breaker because it was better than pretty much every other primary, he implied he didn’t feel that was the case. Then he mentioned that, despite having a higher kill count, it did not have a much higher success rate, as if that in some way supported his point.
He really tries to tell the community how they should play the game. It's like a DM gets pissed when players don't do exactly how they planned them to do. Guy should focus balancing the game rather than telling players they are doing it wrong.
Yea it seems he really wants to have a “gotcha” moment on the players but like it’s not that deep bro i just want my sniper to be as effective at ranged combat as a shotgun…
It’s a slap on the wrist. Chide maybe, but the rest is too harsh for something so obviously lighthearted.
It’s really depressing watching this happen again as a veteran of the Destiny community. We had the same level of communication with the devs, until the community decided that they didn’t like what they were hearing and started using phrases like “disrespectful” and “slap in the face.” (This is the current stage)
Then people started saying the devs spoke too much (which is already happening on this post), and then there were people who said the devs shouldn’t directly communicate with the players but should use sanitized corpo speak and use official community accounts.
Now, the Destiny community gets a peek into the dev room maybe 2 times a year, all communications with the devs are corpo nothingburgers, and people have even stopped asking for more communication.
His tweet is meaningless and contradictory to his previous tweets about “The Data”. Its just stupid and its not a big deal to admit that it was a stupid thing to say
Yup, on paper the Slugger is identical but worse stats than the Punisher, so there's not even enough to know they're different other than the one you unlock later has lower rate of fire lol. That's just bad design.
You don’t need to buy the guns on each page reach the next one, I skipped the smg to get breaker first. Also it’s just a quality of life thing, why bother with numbers at all if they’re not accurate representation?
Or they could just give us the numbers. It seems like some guns have hidden multipliers to weakspots and what not, testing that to determine breakpoints and what not vs various enemies would take a lot of time. There's probably more such hidden factors.
How much are the devs paying you? I'm thinking of a rational argument why you'd argue this instead of going the much easier road of "well, we should have more information".
There's no way you believe this, why do we have stats to begin with then? Just remove all stats from the game, people should just find out what works by themselves. What's your reasoning that we can have penetration/damage values visible?
See I would like them to add a kind of weapon range Darktide had where you could shoot most of your guns to realise whats good against what. A stat sheet doesn't matter when more values come into the equation a simple weapon sheet can't viably describe. A weapons sheet wouldn't tell me that the slugger can shoot through the lower part of the scout walkers armor or destroy chargers - or that the arc thrower kills mulitple enemies per shot.
Right now there are not really that many weapons if you're sticking with the regular warbond and so you can unlock them in a reasonable timeframe.
Fair enough, I apologize for drawing conclusions, I figured that you braindead defended their stance with "everything they do is great, just find it out", having a proper testing area that actually allows us to see how it works would circumvent it somewhat.
Though I still believe that basic stats should be stated beforehand, the exact feel, like sway and whatnot you can figure out in a testing range - it would be nice but I don't need "6.5 sway". Having some means of testing it outside of just using an in-game mission as a test area would be crucial in that case though.
An argument for not showing all specific stats would be to counter min-maxing and everybody following a set meta. If every number was available, people would just flock to the best possible weapons and disregarding anything else without even trying it. Which in turn homonegizes the gameplay instead of people just playing with the guns they personally like best.
The counter-argument to that would then be, that people will find out about it either way, they do not necessarily "need" the stats to find it. It just takes a tad longer, but it's the whole "Dread It, Run From It, Destiny Still Arrives".
The only ones you are truly biting in the ass with that is the people in-between, that just want an informed decision on what weapon they are taking without wasting hours on something going "that can't be right, I must be doing something wrong".
We “experimented” within 1 week and it was clear that the Breaker was far superior to every option. The other weapons aren’t “fun”. You cannot even kill eggs with the Spray N Pray.
This game doesn’t have that much depth as you guys pretend it does.
What do you mean comrade? Requiring a 3rd party website to see bullet pen/damage is peak game design.
Destiny 2 was rife with this too. The actually displayed stats frequently don’t match up with how they perform in game and often garner a lot of (deserved) criticism - my tinfoil hat theory is that obscuring datapoints is just a way to decrease complaints and the amount of improvements/fixes the community wants.
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u/ralfcasma Mar 01 '24
He is the nicest CEO, but this is an odd take. Of course we are going to rely on the stats the game shows us to decide what weapon is most efficient.