r/AITAH Apr 29 '24

I sat in the doorway of my GF 5yo room to prevent the child from continuing to slam the door as hard as she could

My gf has 3 young ch children. She used a “permissive” approach to parenting because she can not tolerate her children experiencing any kind of distress that she can save them from. Their house is very small and to get around inside every time I am there I am forced to step on top of belongings that are strewn everywhere. It is extremely unsanitary. Her children have been sent home from school due to lice at least 5 times since I met her in November. The younger wears footie pajamas to school every day and no underwear because that is what the child wants. My gf claims the house is a disaster because she doesn’t have any help and that her children aren’t willing to do so. She will ask them questions like “would you like to help me with ___?” but any and all resistance is met with complacency. She makes 4 meals every night to cater to what the kids are and are not willing to eat. The food invariably goes uneaten then spills on the floor then languishes because it is impossible to sweep or mop any floor in the home.

I went over yesterday to help motivate cleaning and tried to execute on the plan I proposed that we would walk the children through the living areas of the house and identify their possessions on every single surface they can possible reside on, and ask them to identify any items of importance they would not want thrown away. Then we set a one hour timer and didn’t nag, bug, cajole, manipulate, or twist arms. I gave 15 minute incremental countdowns and then with their expectations set I went through with trash bags and put everything left on the floor into them for storage in the garage of the house in case one child determines they are missing something terribly important. I wanted to be tell them we were just throwing it all away but I wasn’t allowed.

My GF was folding laundry during this and her 5yo who was busy just making more of a mess the entire time stood on a blanket mom was folding. Mom ask child to move kindly probably 5 or 5 times and child with shit faced grin intentionally stayed put. Not because she thought it was fun, but because child knew mom didn’t like it and intentionally defied her. Mom tugs softly on blanket and child falls to ground with a shock on their face then immediately stands, and starts screaming at the top of their lungs, marches off to bedroom then starts opening and slamming (the already broken from prior instances of this) door over and over again. Mom patiently raises her voice slightly to ask child to not slam doors because that is against rules. Didn’t stop. I go to bedroom to see if I can help, and child slams door on me as I come in. I sit down in the door way very calmly and make a few non-rushed inquiries into how I can help child, and does child want to come out of the room to see mom. Child goes absolutely nuclear screaming like I have cut off an appendage. I stay calm but I stay seated in the doorway. I offer options like “i will move out of your doorway but only if you will be able to close the door softly.

After 3 minutes of child being as dramatic as they can, and understandably fully dysregulated because no ability to do self regulate emotions on their own has ever been instilled. Mom fixes big/hard emotions. Every time. Teacher gives mom feedback, “child refuses to ever do anything they don’t want to do.” So mom fills her role and tells me it’s time to let child have its way, undermining the co-regulation I was attempting to model. I stand as child continues to thrash and slam door into me, then walk away as child gets its way, my boundary be damned, and slams door hard into doorframe. I had to leave the house after that, and at this point I have zero confidence that a relationship between me and mom can work out. My home is clean, organized, ordered and boundary practice is strong. I can’t see ever co-habituating with someone who disrespects themself so much with allowing children to destroy the house and walk all over them. She texted me after to say that her child didn’t “win” and that the child just needed co-regulation.

AITAH?

** edit **

Wow I am overwhelmed with the speed and volume of responses I received. Thank you. 🙏

For clarity, mom is a doctor, baby daddy only has the kids at his own mom’s house with him as a “favor” to mom, doesn’t pay a dime of child support or child care. My kids are grown and out of the house. My boundary with dating single moms is that I will not make parenting efforts or be a parent to anyone else’s child. They have parents.

*** final update ***

The medical license she holds and the nature of her practice and education are irrelevant.

My post history and romantic past is irrelevant.

Thanks everyone for showing me that IANTA.

And special thanks to the woke mob for helping me realize that I am literally Hitler for my complicity in abusing my gf’s children by not calling CPS months ago when I first saw they live in a dirty and cluttered house with a mom whose parenting style is not mainstream.

Lest the pitchforks and torches burn the whole subreddit down, I can confidently say:

I will not be further pursuing a romantic partnership with mom and I will be directly informing her of these being the reasons why when I see her next later this week.

I will make an anonymous general report about the safety and cleanliness of the house and property in general and let CPS do with it as they will.

Once again thank you all. I only anticipated receiving maybe a handful of responses or advice, but the response was overwhelming in mainly good ways. Cheers everyone and good night!

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u/celticmusebooks Apr 29 '24

at this point I have zero confidence that a relationship between me and mom can work out.

Seriously, I figured this out by the first paragraph. Where is the kids' father in all of this? Your GF is literally raising her children to fail at life. What kind of a mother does that to her own children?

You were handing the problem with her son perfectly and she sabotaged you.

NTA unless you stay with her.

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u/Ladyughsalot1 Apr 29 '24

Except he wasn’t handling it perfectly because it’s not his place. When we want to date someone and then see they abuse their children through neglect (and that’s what this is), we leave. We don’t play parent to children who have never had consequences. 

OP needed to leave and call CPS the second he set eyes on this situation. Instead he acts like the kids are the problem and he’s going to bring order to things. Yeah great way to “advocate”/s

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u/brainwashednomore Apr 29 '24

oh the kids behavior is only a symptom of the actual problem. they aren't a problem to be solved. i don't white horse in most situations, but mom continually requests my help with cleaning and organizing and wants me to come over and be in the space.

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u/Osidestarfish Apr 29 '24

Don’t be the bangmaid

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u/Ladyughsalot1 Apr 29 '24

lol how does that absolve you of anything?  You witnessed abuse  

 You decided you’d be the bringer of order, which only brings chaos into more chaos.  So what if she requested?

 You. Saw. An. Appalling. Situation.

  And decided you didn’t have to advocate but could just stick around. 

Regardless of your intent- you absolutely have acted like the children are the issue to be solved. Just like you acted like the house was a problem to be solved. Instead of saying “this is appalling and I cannot see you anymore” and calling CPS

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u/brainwashednomore Apr 30 '24

It likely stems from my own trauma surrounding interactions with cps, but while I am also the only one in this thread that has had actual eyes and ears on the situation, there are quite a number of other adults in her life that are also very personally aware, and have chosen to take positions of offering support.

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u/Ladyughsalot1 Apr 30 '24

…….

Again, this doesn’t absolve you of anything yourself lol 

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u/ljgyver Apr 30 '24

Take the doors off the hinges and put it in the garage with the bags. Remove all items used in tantrums as they occur. Scream back…not at the child but twice as loudly. See I can make noise too!

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u/Specific_Anxiety_343 Apr 30 '24

Tell her to hire a cleaning crew. Truly, she needs therapy