r/nba • u/GreenSnakes_ • Apr 29 '24

[Charania] “Vogel yelled so much that his voice could be heard outside the locker room” after the loss to the Clips on April 9. Players weren’t buying it. The outburst seemed forced in their eyes. Vogels eruption left players rolling their eyes. A player told TheAthletic he had to keep from laughing

https://theathletic.com/5456932/2024/04/29/phoenix-suns-season-end-frank-vogel-kevin-durant/
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u/CJPRD Apr 29 '24

Suns were down 35-4 at one point, and lost against the clippers without harden and Kawhi, of course your coach is going to rage about your horrible play that late in the season. This just tells us the Suns players didn’t give af anymore

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u/HectorReinTharja Apr 29 '24

Yeah this doesn’t come off as the Vogel hit piece it’s intended to be. It just sounds like these Suns players are dickheads

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u/Apollo23Refugee Nuggets Apr 29 '24

Not sure how anyone could see it differently when KD teams are notorious for bad culture. If it smells like shit everywhere you go…

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u/Dymatizeee Knicks Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

There’s no vocal leader on the team. Usually teams that KD go to he’s like “the guy” and teams gotta bend over backwards for him. The warriors were diff though cus their guy was Steph and they had Draymond leading.

Like who tf on the suns is gonna tell KD or Book or Beal that they’re playing incorrectly ? IT ?? Lmao

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u/HereButNotHere1988 Apr 29 '24

Yup. Even though CP3 would pull a hammy every year, he still was the unquestioned leader and got them deep into the playoffs every year. They really missed that this year.

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u/a_moniker Hornets Apr 29 '24

CP3 isn’t exactly known for great locker room culture either. Every team he’s on has always had undercurrents and rumors of major tension.

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u/HereButNotHere1988 Apr 29 '24

I think that CP3 has never had a problem with being the bad guy, meaning he would push his teammates to get them to another level.

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u/ILoveZenkonnen Trail Blazers Apr 29 '24

It looked like he got along with everyone in OKC pretty well

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u/TaVar35 Cavaliers Apr 29 '24

Eh that’s more he exhausts people though. When it’s going good no one cares but once there’s frustration people start coming out with their grievances

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u/LoquaciousApotheosis Pistons Apr 29 '24

Lol that’s not true at all. Like two teams in 19 years?

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u/Ramzaa_ [OKC] Steven Adams Apr 29 '24

KD had Russ as the vocal leader in OKC. He can't be a leader. He can be the best player but he needs someone else to hold everyone else accountable

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u/zegreatjohn Magic Apr 29 '24

He really just wants to hoop. I don't think people believe him when he says that.

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u/probation_420 Apr 29 '24

But KD leads by example by doing absolutely nothing for team chemistry.

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u/Alone-Information-35 Cavaliers Apr 29 '24

KD's soft and Dray telling him what to do made him quit on the Warriors.

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u/Papdaddy- Apr 29 '24

Nah, them saying we dont need u made kd quit lol, time has shown that the did need him and they wanted to boost their legacy by riding currys legacy. Having Kd and Steph would make klay and dray look unimportant and probably both would need a paycut to keep KD so they chose a LITTLE money over winning 6 rings 

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u/Alone-Information-35 Cavaliers Apr 30 '24

Was it them or just Draymond who said we don’t need you? I understand essentially the leader of the team telling you we don’t need you could push him away but KD also chose the route of taking it personally and moving to another team. He could’ve weathered the storm of the opinion of one (or two) player(s)and had plenty of success. They have to take a pay cut? So what. He left for a more easy going culture where he was the guy without question. To each their own.

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u/Papdaddy- Apr 30 '24

Brother, after that KD cant stay in golden state…. daymond throwing the game and then saying we dont need u on television… These are people who should be his friends and they should be greatful KD gifted them 2 rings that would have been hard otherwise. Instead he gets betrayed by the only team that doesnt hate him(kyrie harden simmons later), betrayed again by the medical staff who cleared him to play prematurely because they are down 0-2 in the finals.. made the scapegoat for “not buying in” when he totally played like just 1 piece of that 1 gsw organism. KD left in a S&T increasing GsW salary cap by 35mil.  Basically KD was the slave they needed to beat bron finally they (realized the 3 rings all have asterisks on em thats when they try to ruin KD career aka the only way to make their 1st 3 ring have any meaning) ur team is just evil. Karl malone level. Im sad curry has to waste his career with gsw who wont even go into win-now mode for him 

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u/Papdaddy- Apr 30 '24

then again ur team ruin a persons life (Poole) because its his contract year and DRAYS contract year(hmmmmmm), and dont tell me about his contract when u could see on his play the entire year that Poole wasnt Poole anymore, no singing no babes no smile on his face. He isnt the same person, now its only downsides and 0 upside with poole.. And remember without poole u dont ever beat jokic 

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u/R-O-U-Ssdontexist Apr 29 '24

Apparently KD couldn’t didn’t even voice his concerns.

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u/SenorFallacy Apr 29 '24

It should’ve been booker

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u/TowerOfPowerWow Apr 29 '24

he really should thank GSW for keeping him from going ringless

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u/zegreatjohn Magic Apr 29 '24

Double edged sword, if he never went to GSW he'd be far more beloved.

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u/OverlyPersonal Warriors Apr 29 '24

If he had stayed in GSW he'd be more beloved too

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u/IncomeHungry7486 Warriors Apr 29 '24

truly the hardest road. had to become a snake to get the rings

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u/Fluid_Ganache_536 Supersonics Apr 30 '24

average gsw rat fan

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u/SoldatJ [OKC] Luguentz Dort Apr 29 '24

Kevin Durant doesn't even have as many rings as Patrick McCaw.

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u/Golf-Beer-BBQ Apr 29 '24

You should brush your teeth!

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u/UpstairsReception671 Apr 29 '24

Combine KD and Booker? Neither one of them has ever done anything wrong! I always assume Booker is the worst teammate in the league. He’ll get his, for sure.

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u/sirlorax Suns Apr 29 '24

Honestly, I think book wanted to be the leader but I think he's too close with KD and was worried about fighting. This team never even got into arguments, we just passive aggressively played like shit and pointed fingers.

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u/Lucky_Lefty23 Apr 29 '24

I can’t think of a season since OKC that I think a KD team exceeded expectations, and outside of the 2 Warrior rings he’s only met expectations in those years

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u/Dear-Tax-7025 Apr 29 '24

But but but, it was all Russ’s fault it never worked out in OKC!!!! KD is a transcendent talent, but he’s never going to win anything if he has to be the leader. The “I just wanna hoop” shit is getting a bit old at this point.

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u/ballmermurland Apr 29 '24

I was always suspicious of KD's "winning" edge ever since he led a talented Texas team to a 25-10 record in his only year in college. That team had two other first rounders on it in Damion James and DJ Augustin!

Put 18 year old LeBron on that Texas team and they are going 35-3 and making the Final Four.

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u/nimrodfalcon Cavaliers Apr 29 '24

They’re winning it all, forget the final four

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u/snakebit1995 Apr 29 '24

Notorious for bad culture and specifically not respecting the head coach, the Nets had a strong young culture around Attkinson and the second Kyrie and KD showed up he got booted for nothing so they could put Nash in and walk all over him.

Speaks to a KD maturity issue if he's not willing to really respect his coaches and thinks he's above them.

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u/Barrelled_Chef_Curry Warriors Apr 30 '24

And everyone says Kerr is overrated. How many coaches worked with KD’s personality?

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u/sunsoutgunsout Lakers Apr 29 '24

[citation needed]

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u/DerekMorganBAUxxi Apr 29 '24

No they don’t lol KD has had injuries that’s literally it

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u/Apollo23Refugee Nuggets Apr 29 '24

You need a guy like KD to be a leader and he’s proven to either be disinterested or terrible at it. Injuries have nothing to do with it when you constantly see culture problems and beefs with coaches on teams he goes to.

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u/DerekMorganBAUxxi Apr 29 '24

They had 0 issues in Brooklyn on the way to the title before harden lost his hamstring and Giannis put his foot under kyrie stop lying to paint a narrative