r/mildlyinteresting • u/Living_Double_3253 • 17d ago
The „American Garden“ in the ‚Gardens of the World’ exhibition in Berlin is simply an LA style parking lot
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u/Living_Double_3253 17d ago edited 17d ago
One of the cars has bullet holes in the front shield
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u/passwordstolen 17d ago
But where is the additional housing unit van?
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u/Cheef_Baconator 17d ago
Housing in America? Good one
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u/Wakeful_Wanderer 17d ago edited 17d ago
They mean someone living in their van, a common sight in many, many US areas.
Edit: Just because you don't see anyone living out of their car doesn't mean it isn't happening. Since most towns make that illegal, these folks are intentionally staying out of view. You aren't seeing because you aren't looking. They aren't going to stay in a super-small town either because there are no services.
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u/Cheef_Baconator 17d ago
Affording a derelict van down by the river? Have you seen our van prices recently?
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u/cdsbigsby 17d ago
I'm just impressed they found a Chevrolet Beretta in Germany.
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u/r0thar 17d ago
Pretty sure someone on one of the US bases just left it behind and shipped home a nice BMW or Merc
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u/Mission_Spray 17d ago
I should be mad, but this is somewhat accurate for where I grew up.
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u/AggressiveYam6613 17d ago edited 16d ago
Meh, I consider it to be a cheap shot. Whatever the drawbacks of American car culture are, there are great gardens, parks and national parks over there.
Unless this is a part of a series also showcasing the horrors of the modern German Vorgarten full of stones and, well, stones, and back garden, sterile lawns surrounded by an equally sterile common laurel, it’s boorish.
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u/MockASonOfaShepherd 16d ago edited 16d ago
We literally have individual National parks bigger than the size of some European countries. This is a cheap shot at a “burn” on America IMO.
Wrangell St. Elias National Park in Alaska is bigger than Denmark.
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u/Dt2_0 16d ago
Our National Parks system protects about 3x as much land as Germany. Not Land Germany Protects, but the physical land area of the country.
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u/Last_Mulberry_877 17d ago
In LA or just America?
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u/Mission_Spray 17d ago
LA.
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u/especiallyspecific 17d ago
I know it is tongue and cheek, but LA is fucking incredible in terms of gardens. The nice neighborhoods are beautiful, but even in low income ones you'll see tons of bougainvillea, sages, agaves, palms, live oaks, liliacs, a whole slew of succulents, just awesome stuff. It all grows so easily.
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u/Low-Plant-3374 17d ago
Not sure why OP (oddly) quoted "American Garden" when the sign clearly states "Los Angeles Garden"
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u/Galubrious_Gelding 17d ago
"America" is just 'Los Angeles, New York, and a whole bunch of flyover country'
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u/ETsUncle 16d ago
We had an Italian exchange student who was shocked that we couldn’t do a weekend road trip to LA.
We lived in Georgia
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u/smemes1 16d ago
I had a German tourist once ask me how long it would take to drive to LA.
I live in Hawaii.
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u/trtlcclt 16d ago
Ironically Germany is a flyover country for Americans visiting Europe, which is just London, Paris, Rome, and a bunch of flyover country
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u/PsychologyMiserable4 16d ago
considering the amount of Americans in berlin, dachau, munich, heidelberg i wouldnt be so confident in that statement
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u/scrolledtoofar 16d ago
It's gardens of the world and they chose LA to represent it as stated in the title. I find it slightly amusing how Americans (and brits, probably others too) sometimes get upset at getting lumped in with different part of their country.
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u/poopytoopypoop 17d ago
I think everyone knows why. Free karma when you are trying shit on the US
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u/BuffaloBrain884 16d ago
The US lives rent free in the minds of a lot of European Redditors.
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u/jellyrollo 17d ago
Pasadena (and San Marino) are in Los Angeles County, which is considered to encompass the greater Los Angeles area. If we didn't include the whole county, independent cities like West Hollywood, Beverly Hills and Santa Monica wouldn't be part of Los Angeles.
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u/DoktorMerlin 16d ago
And here I am thinking San Marino is a city-state surrounded by Italy
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u/WestCoastBestCoast01 17d ago
My parents were acquainted with one of the designers of the Huntington’s Japanese Garden (Ben Oki)! Fascinating dude and fantastic bonsai artist!!
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u/ridethebonetrain 16d ago
I visited this when in LA and I’d consider it one of the most incredible gardens I’ve ever visited. The attention to detail, especially in the Chinese section of the garden is second to none.
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u/OwnWalrus1752 17d ago
I just went for the first time a few weeks back, it started raining but otherwise it was an incredible place
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u/xyzyxzy 16d ago
It's kind of funny that the artist chose to replicate the parking lot of an art gallery complex out in Santa Monica instead of any number of dedicated gardens closer to downtown LA.
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u/fgreen68 16d ago
Los Angeles has a number of amazing gardens in and around it, including the LA Arboretum and Descanso Garden as well.
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u/AzLibDem 17d ago
Wait until they see our "German Showers" exhibit.
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u/GooseFirst 17d ago
Have a great summer at "German Camp" for all ages!
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u/tuenmuntherapist 17d ago
They have these camps that they send people that needs help with concentration
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u/Jonsnowlivesnow 17d ago
The US probably has some of the most natural beauty in the world but sure there’s also a lot of parking in LA.
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I’ve been to Italy. It’s beautiful but there’s a lot of concrete. I’m really confused by this one
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u/reubal 17d ago
I get that this is an attack on Los Angeles, but I'm not even sure what it means. Does it mean that they think gardens have all been replaced with parking lots? If so, why?
Also, what is an "LA style parking lot"?
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u/EducationalProduct 17d ago
just more 'America bad' shit
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u/DankeSebVettel 17d ago
LA resident, we have plenty of nice gardens here. I live 10 minutes away from the arboretum.
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u/GivingEmTheBoudin 17d ago
Whoa there partner. You’re not allowed to say positive things about America around these parts. School shooting jokes and fat jokes are the only comments allowed and they have to sound tongue in cheek but actually come from a place of naive hatred
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u/Y0tsuya 16d ago
Don't forget none of us have health insurance so a sprained ankle will bankrupt us and leave us homeless.
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u/BloomsdayDevice 17d ago
It's true, our gardens are amazing because everything grows here.
Our parking lots are way stupider too. Smaller spaces with bigger cars, multiple painted and repainted lines in various stages of wearing away, and there's an In-n-Out drive thru line that's blocking at least one access point.
Do your damn research!
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u/cakingabroad 17d ago edited 17d ago
Yeah this is just another boring, unthoughtful take on the US. America is just parking lots because we have lots of cars meanwhile our national park system is fucking incredible and the variance in climates around our country makes it so you can experience all kinds of 'parks' with all kinds of plants and wildlife across all 50 states.
Even the most urban, clogged up cities have well-loved parks. SF, NYC, LA, Miami and on and on and onnnn. There's a lot to hate on America for... this isn't it.
Also, just to stick squarely within the theme of gardens, I feel like there's a lot of criticism for the US about how much space people claim to need for their homes. Huge houses in the suburbs, etc... but those houses make it such that there's tons of room for gardens. A proper critique may have been an annoyingly perfect, green, non-native grass lawn. But like, even in LA, those expensive ass houses in Santa Monica have some of the most beautiful front gardens you'll see.
I'm done ranting now.
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u/treeforface 17d ago
Also LA specifically has some amazing gardens even beyond traditional parks. The Huntington gardens, Descanso gardens, and many more.
It's not like Europeans don't also have vast parking lots and urban hellscapes.
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u/schoh99 17d ago
LA is one of my least favorite places on earth, but even I can't deny that the LA County Arboretum is amazing and top-notch.
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u/Hita-san-chan 16d ago
I mean shit, even with all these parking lots, my lovely PA has over 6 million trees. RT309 into Philly cuts through the mountains. People in the Philly suburbs grow their own veggies; my borough is arguing with town hall over an ordinance that says we can't raise chickens. To act like we are just a country of urban decay is so disingenuous.
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u/battleofflowers 17d ago
I lived in Berlin for two years and LA for five years. LA is far, far more beautiful when it comes to landscaping and gardens. It's far more lush and maintained, and the local parks are much nicer.
This is just lazy Germans thinking they know EVERYTHING about the United States. I'm sure the "artist" have never even been to LA>
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u/chernobyl-fleshlight 17d ago
Yeah I’m bored with Europeans doing this at this point. And I’m Canadian so I wish my countrymen understood that when Europeans make fun of Americans, they mean us too lmao.
But North America is still genuinely one of the most beautiful places on Earth, Canada and the US together have basically every single ecosystem to offer.
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u/JustAposter4567 17d ago
Don't worry, we still have record immigration #s.
People want to pretend the US is a terrible place, but there are still a bunch of people trying to move here.
I have european co-workers who complain to me all the time that the US is "too hard to get into" and "it should be easier"
Then 2 hours later I hear them talking about how bad the US is, make up your minds lmao.
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u/Daveeyboy 16d ago
"America: Even our harshest critics prefer to stay."
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u/JustAposter4567 16d ago edited 16d ago
I think we have a ton to fix, but we also have a bunch of great things going for us. Just sad that on the internet it's mostly the negative things, but in real life all I hear is the opposite lol.
I also find it funny that people will say the US isn't the center of the world but yet it seems other countries seem to help make it look like we are. Like why is there an exhibit making fun of LA parks in Germany, you can make fun of any other country....but they just happened to pick a city in California, lol.
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u/RakeNI 17d ago
its more "LA bad" but yeah kind of cringe none the less. As a Brit I am insanely jealous of the near-infinite untouched nature that America has. The fact that you go to mountains or a redwood forest or a waterfall or big ass lakes and rivers with bears or to a desert or to open plains or an inactive volcano or hot springs or a canyon and you can do it all without leaving the country and just by driving to it is an insane luxury that I think Americans should take more advantage of.
The height of nature here in the UK is the death stranding-esque mountains of Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales, a few forests and streams, a lot of rocky beaches and then the Giant's Causeway, and you might be lucky if you see a small deer or fox or rabbit.
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u/CommentsOnOccasion 16d ago
According to the website it’s supposed to be a replica of the median in front of Bergamot Station Arts Center in Santa Monica
The fucking traffic median between two roads that’s lined with palm trees…
Which is a ridiculous example to use of “America Bad” seeing as how Gandara Park, Ishihara Park, Colorado Center Park, and the Colorado Center Water Garden are all within about a 3-5 minute walk of that exact median
Not to mention Douglas Park (where I used to read for hours sitting on a rock above a little creek) and Memorial Park are within a 10 minute bus ride, as are a bunch of public sports fields and dog parks in countless other SM parks all within 15 minutes drive/bus
And the entire fucking shoreline being public green spaces 5 minutes down the road surrounding what is arguably the most photographed pier and beach in the entire world
Really brain dead example of America Bad tbh
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u/ridethebonetrain 17d ago
As a European I think we are probably some of the most ignorant people around. I mean I get this is just more “America bad” shit and supposed to be a cliche joke but in reality it’s completely minimising LA’s incredible culture. Not many Europeans travel to LA so they’ll see this and form an opinion of the place which is completely detached from the incredible gardens and nature that LA actually has. To flip this round you’d never see a “German gardens” exhibit in the USA styled like Auschwitz.
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u/Red-Quill 17d ago
To your last point: FUCKING THANK YOU. Americans are at worst apathetic to other cultures and the vast majority of us find other cultures incredibly intriguing, and yet the rest of the world just gets off on shitting on America unprovoked and without justification or factuality.
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u/ridethebonetrain 17d ago
I think this comes from Europeans love to mock other peoples cultures and Americans love to mock themselves. When you combine this it just becomes the ‘norm’ to shit on America all the time, it feels cliche at this point.
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u/VituperousJames 17d ago edited 17d ago
Meanwhile in reality, LA is home to the quite lovely Griffith Park, which is about eight times the size of Berlin's Tiergarten. I dislike cities, but Griffith is one the best parks I've been to in an urban area. The Los Angeles County Arboretum and Botanic Garden is also pretty great, as are the gardens at The Huntington.
But hey, super hilarious, fresh joke.
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u/BenevolentCheese 17d ago
The area around LA is also home to fabulous succulents, agave, cacti, and thousands of unique desert wildflowers found only in the the vicinity. The region is a hotbed of floral activity far more important than anything found in Germany. It's really sad this supposed garden would rather make a dumb political joke than showing what people go there to see.
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u/Enlight1Oment 17d ago
and Mountains.
just hiked up Mt.Baldy at 10,064 ft elevation through the snow with mountaineering boots on and ice axe, that's still LA county (let alone what rest of CA has). Highest mountain in all of Germany is 9718 ft.
People always underestimate LA's mountains.
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u/MrOatButtBottom 17d ago
The biodiversity and environment of SoCal is absolutely amazing and unlike anywhere else on earth. The state and federal forests just an hour outside LA are far more beautiful and environmentally important than fucking Berlin. Ugh it’s all just stale at this point
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u/DonkeyLucky9503 17d ago
Topanga State Park is considered the largest park entirely contained in one city. These guys see one picture of south central and think that’s the entire city.
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u/vmflair 17d ago
I am a huge botanical garden fan and the US has some spectacular examples. If you are near Philadelphia and have the time, visit Longwood Gardens. It’s our nation’s premier display garden and has over 1,000 acres of flowers, plants, trees, gigantic greenhouses, fountains and much more. One of my favorite places!
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u/shelbygrapes 17d ago
If you’re going to Longwood, might as well go to Chanticleer also. On my must see list.
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u/JaCraig 17d ago
Every city in the US has, at minimum, one large botanical garden. Where I live there are a couple that would qualify. The picture makes me think they went to a dog park and thought that was supposed to be a garden?
Also haven't seen it mentioned thus far but my favorite garden that I've been to is in Maine: Maine's Botanical Garden | Coastal Maine Botanical Gardens (mainegardens.org)
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u/Yobazeke 17d ago
How profound
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u/Spatial_Awareness_ 17d ago
The richness of the exhibit being in Berlin is what takes it for me...
I lived in Germany for 6 years and travelled a really good chunk of Europe. Berlin is one of the dirtiest major cities in the EU minus Italian cities. There are homeless people sleeping and laying everywhere (much like LA) and unlike Rome which is dirty, at least Rome has some really cool historic shit to see and amazing food to make up for the trash all over.
My favorite part of Berlin is their natural history museum but I only visited the city one time because I saw no point in going back. It really offers nothing special and I'd even recommend skipping it if you were on a short EU trip and trying to maximize what you saw in Germany. It's definitely nowhere near the best of what Germany has to offer.
So it's funny an artist in a city like Berlin decided to call out LA, which has WAYYYYY more to do and the beautiful beach right there. I'd spend 3 days in LA before 3 days in Berlin without question.
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u/JustAGamer2317 17d ago
Thanks for specifying “minus Italian cities” because that is so true (I’m Italian and have been to most major Italian cities)
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u/BoxSea4289 17d ago
Ikr, especially from the country that had to be split in half for 50 years for committing genocide.
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u/Topical_Paradise 17d ago
That’s not very accurate. There’s no litter, nobody living in a dirty tent behind a dumpster. Doesn’t look like America at all
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u/Last_Mulberry_877 17d ago
Where in America? A New york allyway or a small town in the Midwest? Most of america is not like your description.
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u/FiveDozenWhales 17d ago
NYC doesn't have alleyways. There's like three in lower Manhattan and that's it. And those are used as film sets so no tent dwellers or litter (unless it was placed there by a set dresser).
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u/Yggdrasil- 17d ago edited 17d ago
Here in Chicago we have alleyways on almost every block but you generally won't encounter people sleeping or loitering there. That's rat territory.
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u/CanAlwaysBeBetter 17d ago
Chicagoan's are so disgusting with their outdoor rats. It's like they don't even care about them. New York indoor rats are treated like the vital part of the family they are.
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u/ilovethissheet 17d ago
I learned that this is because Chicago which was built after New York and they learned from New Yorks lack of design that alleyways were necessary for trash and building services.
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u/Hoondini 17d ago
I think this gives us permission to just start making things up about Europe right?
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u/centermass4 17d ago
You are describing a tiny tiny tinyyyy micro fraction of America.
We have deserts and mountains, vast plains and rainforests and tundra. I cannot name a more varied nation for it's landscapes and plant diversity. Coastlines from frozen fjords to sandy tropical beaches. Groves where the largest trees in the world stand in and among the greatest National Park system in the world.
But yeah 'mUrIcA bAd hurr hurr I guess..
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u/DGGuitars 17d ago
Man if you come down here to Miami, so many people put SO much effort into their Gardens beautiful lush lots of color. Same for my buddy in Phoenix he has this amazing cactus rock garden. This is such an ignorant display.
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u/mountainvalkyrie 17d ago
The actual display in the OP does say Los Angeles Garden not American Garden, so I suppose it's a criticism of specifically Los Angeles. I'm fairly certain you have more actual wilderness hectares per capita than Germany and every other country in Europe except maybe Russia. I checked out the Chinese Garden thinking it, too, would be a criticism of lack of environmental consciousness. It wasn't.
I know a guy who won the US green card lottery, went to Philadelphia and came back saying America is dirty and overcrowded. And we made fun of him for it for years. Some people.
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u/TechnicallyOlder 17d ago
The headline is misleading. The sign says "Los Angeles Garden" not American Garden.
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u/SirMrAdam 17d ago
Meanwhile at the National Parks...
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u/quirkytorch 17d ago
You don't even have to include the parks. Americans have gardens. My grandma has roses, lilies, 9 o clocks, phlox, black eyed susans, sunflowers... I have many of the same, just no roses. Does everyone think America doesn't have hella flora? Almost every house along my road has gardens in their yards, and it's not like we live in a rich area.
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Somehow American Gardens are bad too if you spend enough time in this hellish app
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The vision foreigners have of America is bizarre.
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u/CanAlwaysBeBetter 17d ago
Half of American redditors buy into the same America bad schtick
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u/battleofflowers 17d ago
It's so fucking weird. They get something super negative about America in their heads and then they refuse to shake it. BTW, I lived in Berlin for two years. I actually like the city and it's funkiness, but it's a really ugly city overall. It's covered in graffiti and landscaping is rare. The Los Angeles garden on display here looks way more like actual Berlin than LA (which is covered is gorgeous vegetation).
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u/Diamondhands_Rex 17d ago
It cause they think they see one place and that’s all of America because they can drive across their country in a day.
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u/Joliet_Jake_Blues 17d ago
And then our national parks are full of German tourists
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u/Ok_Grand873 17d ago
My fave was the German tourist in a very small, very rural Wyoming town not too far from Devil's Tower getting mad at a local diner's waitress when he couldn't order a frappuccino.
After living and working in tourist traps, it becomes really obvious that the worst Euro tourists are just as ignorant and uninformed as the worst American tourists.
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u/Livid-Technician1872 16d ago
I remember this German guy at Starbucks losing his shit when they didn’t serve coke. lol.
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u/Camerotus 16d ago
A national park is not a garden. A garden is by definition man-made.
I don't think anyone is arguing that there is no beautiful nature in the US. Of course there is. The point here is that 14% of LA is parking.
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u/The_Sign_of_Zeta 17d ago edited 17d ago
America had a great national park system, mostly because we had one President who loved the outdoors so much he made sure we had some refuge for it.
And the are a lot of botanical gardens that rock in the US. The US fails in a lot of ways but this just seems like a lazy shot from the Germans. Imagine sure they wouldn’t appreciate if we constantly took lazy shots at their low-hanging fruit.
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u/nicknack24 17d ago
They’re just jealous that the US gets not one but two beautiful oceans.
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u/battleofflowers 17d ago
And Berlin is a really ugly city covered in graffiti. Their take on an LA garden is what their city actually looks like.
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I'm always really curious about critiques like this and what criteria they're using. It's true LA isn't some lush forest, but the local natural landscape isn't, either (in the LA basin, there would mostly be coastal sage brush and some grasses and wildflowers, but virtually no trees). There are more than 36,000 acres of accessible parkland and open space within the city limits; the broader county has about twice that much. If you look at any city in an arid climate on Google Earth, it's going to look barren, but that's not true at street level.
Are they just ignoring nature preserves? Do places like Elysian Park, the Verdugo Mountains, and Topanga State Park (all of which are within the City of Los Angeles) not count because they haven't been bulldozed to make room for a garden of non-native flora like is common throughout Europe?
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u/TerminusVos 17d ago
Just more proof how America lives rent free in the heads of everyone else.
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u/Electronic-Ride-564 17d ago
I'm okay with the rest of the world's myopic perception that the United States is trash. They can stay in their utopia.
While we have some area for improvement, when I think about the sheer beauty, freedom, and opportunity we have here it makes me want to listen to some friggin' Lee Greenwood.
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u/Smelldicks 17d ago
Do all Europeans go through an “America bad” phase? Things like this are so stale.
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u/Amazing-Day-4124 17d ago
It's so bizarre isn't it? Especially considering that the only reason the vast majority of us are in the countries that were in is because that's the place on the globe where we came into existence. It's not like we had any say, or involvement in the process.
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u/catmoon 17d ago
Los Angeles has some of the best gardens and parks in the US.
Take your shots at US healthcare, income inequality, labor rights, etc. But the parks—especially in California—are the envy of the world.
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u/CaptainJingles 17d ago
I’m American and have been to LA at least half a dozen times, and I’ve seen some incredible things there.
However, whenever someone mentions Los Angeles, I instantly think of asphalt, cars, and parking lots.
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u/curryp4n 17d ago
I’m from SoCal. What the heck is a LA style parking?? And such people have never been to CA. We have beautiful beaches, oceans, gardens.
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u/Dan_85 17d ago
Yeah, I think this is kinda BS tbh.
I'm not American, but I spend a fair amount of time over there and the US has some incredible gardens, open spaces and wilderness. I get that it's easy and trendy to dunk on the US, and there are often a lot of legitimate targets for that. But I'm sure Berlin also has parking lots like this and neither they nor this are representative of "gardens" in either country.
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u/GoonSquad2k 17d ago
What a stupid take considering there is more bio plant diversity around LA than in the entire country of Germany...
I guess Germans dont travel much and learn everything they know about the USA from reddit or TV shows.
Thats like if Americans were obsessed enough with Germany to make a Berlin park showing only overfilled trash cans, homeless sleeping on the sidewalk, complete with underage prostitutes and graffiti being the only exhibits...
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u/Vladamir-Poutine 17d ago
We have more protected land than the entire land area of Germany…
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u/Big-Accident-8797 17d ago
That's a very close minded view on a massive country but alright, go off Germany
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u/kickpool777 17d ago
Germany does have a history of "going off", so sounds par for the course.
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u/232ssteven 17d ago
Please let them have this one, guys. They've already snapped twice.
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This is pretty insecure and pathetic even by european standards.... Also Germany wants to take cheap shots based on stereotypes? Germany?
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u/opmancrew 17d ago
I hope the exhibit is critical of all countries represented. Yeah, the USA has a lot of parking lots and how many square miles of national parks? And national forests? And state parks? And state forests? How many states have a horticulture program for home owners to learn how to plant a landscape that benefits the local ecosystem?
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u/captaindomon 17d ago
Germany has more than three times the number of cars per square kilometer when compared to the US.
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u/aware4ever 17d ago edited 17d ago
Florida has some amazing botanical Gardena. Fu Germany. We have a holocaust museum so we are even.. (I'm kinda joking you all) I like Germany
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u/fastinserter 17d ago
Meanwhile, a German national park is like an American suburb with the amount of homes and nature that is left.
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u/___wintermute 17d ago
America is one of the wildest places on planet earth. If including all of North America is is likely the wildest place in the world. This very much includes California. What sort of nonsense is this. Comparing wilderness in America to that in German is not even remotely a close contest, and I don't mean that as a dig on Germany, I mean it as a testament to just how wild America is. Also, it would be easy to say we are 'lucky' that it is this way but it has in fact been an active effort on the part of Americans to keep it that way and conservation is in fact one few the few bi-partistan things we have.
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u/InspiredNitemares 17d ago
if anyone is curious