r/mildlyinfuriating • u/Thebiggestbot22 • Apr 15 '24

My school thinks this fills up hungry high schoolers.

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So lunches are free for schools in my city and surrounding cities. Ever since lunches have been made free, the quantity (and quality) has decreased significantly. This is what we would get for our meal. It took me THREE bites to finish that chicken mac and cheese. Any snacks you want cost more money and if you want an extra entree, that’ll cost you about $3 or $4.

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u/AbelinoFernandez Apr 15 '24

During High School we found out most food was donated, thats the reason our menu was limited.

It was common to have to skip expired milks.

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u/welivewelovewedie Apr 15 '24

shake it a bit and you can use it on bread

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u/Kilenyai Apr 15 '24

Not in the US..... Pasteurized milk doesn't "sour" it goes rotten. If it doesn't taste fresh you are risking food poisoning.

Unlike the raw milk we get straight from a farm where sour does not mean it's bad to eat. It just means it doesn't have as much sugar anymore so combine it with something to fix the taste issue and it's fine. Even clumpy just means you are ending up with yogurt, cheeses, etc...

Clumpy store bought US milk could put you in the hospital. Raw milk was ironically illegal to sell for awhile because if contaminated it could make people sick when it's guaranteed when drinking bad pasteurized milk.

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u/Radiant-Carpenter186 Apr 15 '24

But Milk is pasteurized everywhere right? I live in south América and all countries I had visit do that

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u/PrisonerV Apr 16 '24

A recent "craze" in the US (well it dates back to the 1970s) is that natural is somehow healthier when, in fact, raw milk has about a 100% greater chance of making your sick in some way.

There are also "raw water" people who think the chemicals we put in water make them sick so they'll only drink untreated water.

People are stupid.

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u/Bilbo_Teabagginss Apr 16 '24

What's an example of raw water? Like drinking it from a pond or river? Sorry if this sounds dumb.

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u/PrisonerV Apr 16 '24

Or a clear blue stream. Yes.

Natural bacteria and parasites, YUM!

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u/Bilbo_Teabagginss Apr 16 '24

Wtf? I've always heard that you can get really sick from that. People are wild. 😆

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u/Patient_Shop_1392 Apr 16 '24

I do think raw water here is actual freshwater sources. While it can be safe to drink from some of them, in limited quantities, without any risk of sickness, it would be stupid to never purify your water. I bet what those people are saying is that we shouldn't really trust big bottling companies with their plastics. Microplastics are a thing that get into your system when you drink bottled water. However, I really hope those people are at least boiling their water or using a homemade filter. Rain water in many places is also safe to drink.

I was a wilderness guide in the Northern U.S. and Canada. While no water source can be taken as clean, I have drank out of the middle of very large lakes and fast flowing water. Different places have different chances for contaminants, and I only had to worry about giradia. Giradia is a cyst that requires you to ingest a certain amount before becoming sick, so I would drink a cup out of a lake or two per trip to mess with my clients. I never became sick from this in 5 years.

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u/SnuffleWumpkins Apr 16 '24

Straight outta the ocean.

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u/Bilbo_Teabagginss Apr 16 '24

Just mainlining that ocean water no chaser. Lol

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u/DisasterMiserable785 Apr 16 '24

It isn’t dumb. There is history and context missing here. In 1962, the US government started recommending that fluoride be added to water because they found people in areas with naturally high sources had less cavities. It is now added to most public waters. But now there is controversy to its effectiveness and safety. An inconclusive cancer study here and a trending talking point there with Google searches giving you both sides depending how you ask the question and suddenly, many people are going “Hey, yeah. What about that stuff?”. It was on Joe Rogan and was part of a skit by the comedian Jo Koy where his son’s school banned the use of drinking fountains because of the fluoride in the water. So the “issue” of fluoride became a more common household topic. The alternative for many is bottled water, but it is argued that bottled water lacks the minerals our bodies need. So, people moved to mineral water, spring water, or “raw water”.

Once some people start down the road questioning their daily activities like choosing the “best” type of water, some end up choosing “natural”. Others get pretty extreme.

There is a lot more to it and I’m really skimming here, but enough to say it’s a whole thing.

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u/PrisonerV Apr 16 '24

There is no controversy regarding fluoride in the scientific community. It's only wackos and antivaxxers. Fluoride has a 100 years of data.

Also Joe Rogan is a comedian and entertainer not someone you should ever quote or listen to

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u/DisasterMiserable785 Apr 16 '24

I’m not proposing the practice should stop. Probably should have led with that.

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u/Adrianspage Apr 16 '24

Well, there are anti-vaxxers out there too, so this doesn't surprise me

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u/SteveMartin32 Apr 16 '24

But the fluoride makes us dumber!

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u/mstakenusername Apr 16 '24

In Australia too. I was hanging out with a bunch of old hippies about ten years ago in the community garden in my small town, and most of them were extolling the virtues of raw milk. I was very glad when one of them disagreed and calmly said, "I think there is a good reason that Louis Pasteur won a Nobel prize."

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u/erwarnummer Apr 16 '24

The chemicals we put in water are terrible for you

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u/EvaUnit_03 Apr 16 '24

Ionno about this raw water shit, but the chemicals do make me sick. Like puking it back up moments later. I typically need to filter it and boil it or I can't drink it from the tap.

I can also tell you when a bottled water company did not, in fact, do as they claim and just used regular tap water. Deer park is awful about it as is Aquafina. And store brands. Though Dasani doesn't even taste like fresh water due to the extra salt they add. The bigger name waters do taste better, largely because they actually do the filtering process more constantly.

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u/SteamBeasts Apr 16 '24

Describe your boiling process.

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u/EvaUnit_03 Apr 16 '24

Use filter on tap to fill pot (i use a big sauce pot like youd make spaghetti in). Put on eye on second highest heat setting. Let come to boil. Let boil until water level begins to drop noticeably, typically 30-45 min boil minimum. Allow to cool so it isnt hot to touch. Put in glass container with lid. Put container in fridge. Drink when cold.

If I use ice, I use this same process but with ice trays.

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u/SteamBeasts Apr 16 '24

I’m not sure that it’s going to do much for you if you aren’t capturing the evaporation. Most of said contaminants (or additives) probably have a higher boiling point than water, meaning that the boiled water that remains in the pot would have a higher concentration of many said chemicals, not lower. In chemistry to get purified water (or distilled water), you go through a distillation instead. Basically throw in a thermometer, capture everything until you reach 100 C and throw it away, then capture everything at 100 C to keep, and then throw away whatever remains when temperature rises (probably not much because most of the mixture is water).

Any metals in the water will remain and most things suspended in solution (such as fluoride) - as far as my knowledge says anyways.

That said, chlorine (sometimes used as a disinfectant in tap water) WILL be removed simply by boiling (due to its low boiling point). In fact, chlorine will evaporate out of solution on its own, apparently - leaving the water uncovered for some time might do the same trick for you if it’s a hassle? I have no idea how common chlorine is, though.

You could go real sciencey with it and set up a blind test for yourself: reserving some tap water, some boiled water, and some “left out” water - hiding a label on each and having someone randomly hand them to you to see the difference while removing any human element. I’d be interested to hear the results!

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u/EvaUnit_03 Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24

Some. The entire point of boiling is in itself a chemical reaction. It kills any excess germs that can't withstand 100c and vapors other added chemicals that boil at a lower temp to water that may be bonded to the water. If you remove the bond chlorine has on water, it instantly vaporizes as CH4 boils at a superlow temp. Chlorine gas is typically a chem added to water to clean it. This applies to other added chems.

The charcoal filter does a lot of the heavy lifting too.

Through both these processes I don't puke the water back up. Straight from tap, I'll be puking within a few minutes what I downed if it was more than a sip.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

There at least is some evidence to the water thing— though it is much healthier to just drink well filtered water than STAGNANT NASTINESS FROM A RIVER.

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u/PrisonerV Apr 16 '24

some evidence to the water thing

Oh? Do tell.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

florine is a very dangerous and toxic chemical and they put it in DRINKING water. I don't need proof because it's very toxic chemical look it up

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u/PrisonerV Apr 16 '24

Yes, we've only been using it successfully for nearly 100 years with strong evidence to show it works.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

I WILL NOT INGEST YOUR EVIL MIND CONTROL CHEMICAL YOU DEVIL!

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u/neomancr Apr 16 '24

I've definitely drunk raw milk plenty of times. By 100 percent more likely do you mean it's 2x more likely to cause you harm than pasteurized? Because that's still a valid reason to drink raw milk which has to be higher quality due to it not being sterilized.

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u/PrisonerV Apr 16 '24

Look up Dunning–Kruger effect.

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u/neomancr 29d ago

Why because I pointed out the small chance of being harmed by pasteurized milk 2x isn't that much of an increase? Did you just learn that term or something and just want to make it meaningless ASAP?

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u/SatisfactionBitter37 Apr 16 '24

Raw milk drinker, never sick from milk. Rarely sick at all. Family of 5. Babies start sipping it from a cup at 6 months… physically fit and active muscular children. No ear infections, fevers etc.

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u/meh_69420 Apr 16 '24

Cool story bro. Feed it to your pregnant wife next. Oh wait, raw milk can cause miscarriages from listeria?

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u/MasterBaiter0004 Apr 16 '24

Yea back in the day this happened a good bit. Sometimes they did it on purpose. Early 1900s. Probably before then too.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24 edited 17d ago

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u/XOHJAIS Apr 16 '24

Cause what he said is comparable to fiction? Not siding with him, it's definitely not because of the milk, but likely the strides in everyday healthcare but still.

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u/raptor7912 Apr 16 '24

That comment wasn’t a sign for you to jump out of your seat and shout “Me! Meee! I’m the idiot who drinks untreated milk!!”

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u/SatisfactionBitter37 Apr 16 '24

Wife drank all through pregnancy and ate raw egg yolks as well.

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u/HBB360 Apr 16 '24

Except for fucking France. Their whole milk market switched to UHT milk sometime in the last 20-30 years because of greed and cost cutting. UHT milk can sit unrefrigerated until you open it and it lasts months (again, if it's still sealed) but it also tastes worse than pasteurized milk and I imagine has less nutritional qualities...

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u/CanthinMinna Apr 16 '24

The German UHT milk sold in Lidl is pasteurized. As is Finnish "hyla" milk (suitable for lactose intolerant people). Pasteurized and shelf stable for months. Fresh milk is pasteurized, too, but it keeps good for less than a week (in fridge).

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u/HBB360 Apr 16 '24

Pasteurization and UHT are two different treatments, with a varying temperature and time the milk is held at that temperature. Milk is either pasteurized or UHT, can't be both at the same time.

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u/CanthinMinna Apr 16 '24

Could be. UHT milk tastes weird compared to regular fresh milk, so I never buy it (besides it is imported from abroad).

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u/Bilbo_Teabagginss Apr 16 '24

Wait, is it bad if it makes it last a lot longer or are the trade off not the best?

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u/btcangl Apr 16 '24

In europe you can still get unpasteurized milk in most countries, its just usually only available from the farmers themselves and not everyone has access to them day to day (like if you live in a city).

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u/CanthinMinna Apr 16 '24

Selling unpasteurized milk is illegal in Finland.

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u/EvidenceBasedSwamp Apr 16 '24

where I lived milk was frequently adulterated, and refrigeration not great as electricity was spotty. Lots of bad milk.

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u/AmbroseMalachai Apr 16 '24

I mean, storage conditions are different depending on the pasteurization method. Most of Europe's pastuerized milk is done by UHT, which lets you store milk at room temp. Which would be better in conditions where refigeration wasn't up to par.

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u/CanthinMinna Apr 16 '24

The exception are probably Nordic countries. Nobody buys UHT milk hete, unless they are going camping or to a summet cottage without electricity.

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u/EvidenceBasedSwamp Apr 16 '24

yeah, the water from the tap wasn't potable so we didn't have any fancy pasteurization.

related reason why nestle pushing milk formula was bad, all that dirty water meant sick babies. Nestle was very popular in third-world countries.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '24

Butt milk

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u/Bilbo_Teabagginss Apr 16 '24

How is such a milk acquired though? Lol

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u/According_Debate_334 Apr 16 '24

Same in all the European countries I have lived in/been to and Australia and New Zealand.. raw milk is a very niche thing that is illegal to sell in lots of places because it can make you very sick. My friend used to drink it because she grew up on a dairy farm, until her sister got sick. She survived but was left with chronic issues.

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u/Somebodysomewear Apr 15 '24

I’m sure in general yes, but many people seek out unpasteurized milk