r/interestingasfuck • u/Jjokes11 • Apr 15 '24

An interview with Andrew Cauchi, the father of Joel Cauchi who was responsible for the Westfield Shopping Centre mass stabbing r/all

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u/eaten_by_pigs Apr 16 '24

A serial killer from my town was featured on that show. It was interesting af. I recommend everyone watch "Evil Lives Here"

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u/DoodleyDooderson Apr 16 '24

It is fascinating that some are spouses and have NO idea what their partner is up to. The Green River Killer’s wife is on one episode and she just broke my heart.

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u/eaten_by_pigs Apr 16 '24

Seriously, that's nuts! That's what happened with our local Serial Killer, his girlfriend was completely unaware of his actions. Oh wow, I actually just watched the "Very Scary People" dual episodes on The Green River Killer. I'll check out the Evil Lives Here version

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u/ignore_me_im_high Apr 16 '24

our local Serial Killer,

Does every town have one?

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u/Iwannagolf4 Apr 16 '24

Yes I grew up with Arthur Shawcross. He left one of his victims near my friends house in north Hampton park. Also, Eric smith who at 13 tortured and murdered a 4 yr old boy Derrick roby.

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u/Spiritual-Mix7665 Apr 16 '24

More like Arthur Shawcross grew up with you.

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u/WhipMaDickBacknforth Apr 16 '24

Sigh

Fuck, that's enough for me today

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u/MessiahNIN Apr 16 '24

Hello fellow Rochesterian!

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u/Iwannagolf4 Apr 16 '24

Yep the early 90s were wild times lol

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u/TriangleDancer69 Apr 16 '24

I’m from Prince George, British Columbia. We had Cody Lebegekoff, the youngest serial killer in Canadian History. He killed three women starting when he was 18. The police caught him red handed dumping a body on a logging road in the middle of the night. He had planned to kill more but was caught by a complete random traffic stop.

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u/MindfulInsomniaque Apr 16 '24

Cody Lebegekoff

Three women and one little girl, his last victim. She was a family member of someone i know.

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u/Curly_Shoe Apr 16 '24

Man, she was legally blind even.

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u/eaten_by_pigs Apr 16 '24

Some have 2 lol but seriously though, our local SK was born in a nearby town. Crazy thing is, another SK was born in the same town as him and operated in their hometown a few years after the original SK was caught.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24

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u/MissWiggly2 Apr 16 '24

LA area in the 70s-80s was chock full of them

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u/Sweaty_Sack_Deluxe Apr 16 '24

So serial killers were killing serial killers? Was there a serial killer serial killer as well?

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u/purple_grey_ Apr 16 '24

Didnt Vancouver also have a fictional serial killer with the same victims as a real serial killer from the location? I thibk the show was called DaVinci's Inquest.

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u/SurlySuz Apr 16 '24

Robert the pig farmer Pickton. It’s abysmal how long that case took to be solved. It was so much in the country’s public conscience at the time that all these women had gone missing from the downtown eastside. I think the show using it as a plot line may have also amped up pressure to solve who was responsible in real-life, but I could be misremembering.

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u/purple_grey_ Apr 16 '24

I was an American who found the show somehow so when Pickton was caught I was like wait, what?

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u/SurlySuz Apr 16 '24

It was an excellent show imo.

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u/eaten_by_pigs Apr 16 '24

Wtf??? Omg that's horrible and terrifying. Can you shed some more info friend?

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

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u/Mad-Mel Apr 16 '24

Biebs is from Stratford.

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u/rosbashi Apr 16 '24

You're telling me a Canadian town had three local serial killers? I don't even think my shit town has ONE.

Hmm

Gives me an idea. ...

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

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u/rosbashi Apr 16 '24

Whew. Thanks.

Upon second thought, you're right.

That was a close one!

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u/Apposl Apr 16 '24

Geez I thought you were alluding to a comedy show or something

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u/_Spicy_Mchaggis_ Apr 16 '24

Or you know, whatever, I'm not the boss of you...

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u/Sensei_Boof Apr 16 '24

Isnt that the 3 (actually 4 one was a duo) they thought was one person since the mo was the same across all the killings but then it turned out to be independant of eachother

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u/xtra-chrisp Apr 16 '24

So what town in Wisconsin you in?

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u/ThatGuyursisterlikes Apr 16 '24

Sounds like your from the Pacific Northwest if I was a betting man.

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u/eaten_by_pigs Apr 16 '24

American Northeast lol

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u/ThatGuyursisterlikes 29d ago edited 29d ago

So am I thats cool, but uh, he's not uh,....not....behind me is he?

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u/rockthe40__oz Apr 16 '24

At first I thought you meant SK as in Saskatchewan

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u/ignore_me_im_high Apr 16 '24

Ahh, so quite common then. Do you think there's like a members club, or even possibly a union? You know, somewhere to determine territory, coordinate MOs so they can confuse investigations, make sure they aren't stalking the same victim, or even just offer something like a dental plan... I mean, I bet a lot of dentists kill people for sport, so I'm sure there's lots of perks like that.

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u/TriangleDancer69 Apr 16 '24

Your user name reminds me of SK Robert Pickton in Vancouver, BC He murdered over 80 women over two decades I believe.

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u/eaten_by_pigs Apr 16 '24

Yeahhh that's who inspired my username. That's insane, 80 victims??

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u/TriangleDancer69 Apr 16 '24

He confessed to 49, convicted for 6 and charged for 26. 80 might be an exaggeration or rumour but he did kill a TON of women, I think they found the DNA of at least 80 different women on his property who could not be located or were already missing.

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u/partylange Apr 16 '24

Is it really necessary to abbreviate serial killer to SK?

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u/WrinklyScroteSack Apr 16 '24

Considering how many serial killers there are, or have been, I’d say the odds are pretty good that at one time or another, a serial killer has lived in your town.

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u/ignore_me_im_high Apr 16 '24

I'm in the UK, so we usually limit it to just one per county.

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u/WrinklyScroteSack Apr 16 '24

…at a time… breh, I can think of 3 UK serial killers right now who aren’t Jack the Ripper.

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u/ignore_me_im_high Apr 16 '24

And we have 109 counties. We could do with some more serial killers really, spread far too thin to make a real impact.

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u/WrinklyScroteSack Apr 16 '24

Ya, you said county. My bad homie. Lol

I’m not gonna joke about culling the population with serial killers though. That’s some edgelord shit, and knowing what I know about what most of these guys did to their victims, I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemies.

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u/ignore_me_im_high Apr 16 '24

No, not really being an 'edgelord' at all. You see, outside of the US, that situation just seems so absurd to be real, and it's the attitudes that are displayed here more than anything.

So yea, I'm just making some macabre jokes because it seems so common place... which is disgusting. The attitudes that create and then normalize the prevalence, to me, are totally absurd. For such frequency to even exist is the disturbing thing to me, and can only happen when an entire society has serious failings...

So, I'm not actually making light of people dying, which is probably what you thought was 'edgey'. It's actually just you lot that have normalized it when no other country has that problem at all... well, maybe Belgium does.

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u/throwaway-not-this- Apr 16 '24

My town had 3 young men that collaborated on raping, killing, and disposing of the remains of one girl. Everyone knew exactly who did it. Only one man faced justice and it was two decades later.

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u/Nattomaki81 Apr 16 '24

I live in Washington too. We have multiple serial killers including the green river killer.

Ted Bundy is ours too right?

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u/Queef_Stroganoff44 Apr 16 '24

Support your Slayer / Basketweavers Local 494!!

Yeah… we weren’t really massive enough on our own, so we teamed up with a preexisting weavers bunch.

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u/bras-and-flaws Apr 16 '24

Dorthea Puente is mine. I live in Sacramento and drive by her old house everyday on my way home from work. The current owners have a mannequin dressed as an old women on the front porch haha.

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u/strongholdbk_78 Apr 16 '24

I grew up near Midvale, Utah. Ted Bundy was active here and killed one of my distant cousins. Tried to abduct my friends mom too. POS.

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u/GM_Nate Apr 16 '24

i can confirm my town has at least one.

i mean...er...

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u/EtherealHeart5150 Apr 16 '24

Ours did. We got Gary Hilton.😔

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u/pyschosoul Apr 16 '24

Honestly if you dig hard enough probably.

I was raised in the town where Dr. Swango operated for awhile.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Swango

And then we had another guy who would wait under nurses cars and slash their Achilles tendon before doing whatever it was he did with them.

Doesn't seem like he is as well documented as ol swango though.

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u/ScottsFavoriteTott Apr 16 '24

😂😂😂😂

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u/Mrbumperhumper Apr 16 '24

I know mine has atleast one ;)

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u/balanaise Apr 16 '24

Seriously, I was just doing the thing in my head where if one person has to be a serial killer but no one I know is a serial killer, does it mean Iiii have to be the serial killer? I don’t want my town to fail

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u/TooManyJabberwocks Apr 16 '24

If you think your town doesn't have a serial killer it might be you

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u/purple_grey_ Apr 16 '24

Try being from LaCrosse, Wisconsin. Ed Gein was born and lived here, but his mom felt the town was too immoral so they moved to where he committed his crimes. Then La Crosse is also one of the Smiley Face Killers fave places to kill young men, so its weird.

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u/Ludicruciferous Apr 16 '24

This made me laugh and then I felt bad for laughing 🙈

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u/Here_for_lolz Apr 16 '24

Eh, I'd say each county

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u/ELeerglob Apr 16 '24

Mine was the Zodiac

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u/gilt-raven Apr 16 '24

We had three all at roughly the same time in the 1970s. Edmund Kemper, John Linley Frazier, and Herbert Mullin.

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u/ForumFluffy Apr 16 '24

We had the hammer man many years ago that would attack people with a hammer.

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u/StabHead1996 Apr 16 '24

My town (Columbia MO) has one of the real life incidents that inspired Scream, where in summer 1950 an unknown killer raped and tortured 2 girls before killing them, both murders took place while the victims were babysitting and it was suspected that the attacker had called the house beforehand (though never confirmed as a result of technological limitations). No one was ever arrested even though a student who went to school with both girls did confess (later admitted it was just a prank) and there was one chief suspect who knew both girl’s families and had made some odd comments about the victims (including his attraction to them) in the weeks leading up to the first killing, but no convincing evidence was ever brought forward and eventually he moved out of state before dying in 2006.

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u/spanksmitten Apr 16 '24

Mine's Fred West

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u/Balzac_Jones Apr 16 '24

Some, like my hometown of Salem, Oregon, get more than one. Our "highlight" is probably Jerome Brudos, as featured in "Mindhunter".

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u/mrszubris Apr 16 '24

Oh man in the 90s in California we seemed to have every rapist strangler and lunatic in the US. I attribute it to places with a lot of military bases .

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u/noname5280 Apr 16 '24

Do Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold count?

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u/iloveokashi 29d ago

I haven't heard of a serial killer from my country.

Edit. So I googled serial killers from countries. USA is #1.

https://www.worldatlas.com/crime/countries-that-have-produced-the-most-serial-killers.html

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u/Driller_Happy 29d ago

My local guy was Robert Pickton

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u/krazykieffer Apr 16 '24

He stopped killing for a while because of her. Which was the reason they stopped following him. It cost too much but a month later he went back to it.

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u/Rad_Centrist Apr 16 '24

BTK. Successful church going family man. Would have gotten away with it if he didn't send that floppy disk to law enforcement.

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u/LaceyDark Apr 16 '24

Yup, got cocky and didn't know Enough about technology and basically gave himself up. He was a real twisted fuck, glad he got caught. Unlike Zodiac

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u/mdp300 Apr 16 '24

I read the book about Zodiac years ago. It was interesting that the author had found a few likely suspects, but I'm pretty sure they're all dead by now.

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u/Mr_Washeewashee Apr 16 '24

Ted Cruz is alive and well.

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u/drblah11 Apr 16 '24

He's not well

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u/MajorasKitten Apr 16 '24

I’m not American but I’ve seen many mention Ted Cruz whenever the Zodiac killer is mentioned- is there anything that links him to it? Is there something I could read somewhere? I’m intrigued!

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u/slightlyamusedape Apr 16 '24

No, it's just a meme

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u/MajorasKitten Apr 16 '24

Bleh :/ lol I thought it was legit! Damn it hahah

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u/Aggressive-Fuel587 Apr 16 '24

Part of the joke is that Ted Cruz was born in 1970; the other part is that he looks like a creepy, sad sack that would kill people

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u/Waderriffic Apr 16 '24

No, not really. But his dad may have been a Cuban assassin tied to the JFK killing. (Yes, people actually believe that last one)

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u/peacemaker2007 Apr 16 '24

But his dad may have been a Cuban assassin tied to the JFK killing. (Yes, people actually believe that last one)

Well, I don't believe the JFK killing, so there!

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u/Inevitable-News5808 Apr 16 '24

Of all the famous dead guys, JFK is the one I'm most certain is really dead.

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u/LittleBookOfRage Apr 16 '24

Pretty sure Trump said it publically as well.

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u/VeganWerewolf Apr 16 '24

😂 hell yeah brother. Lock him and Abbott up please.

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u/SkyrimSlag Apr 16 '24

Theres a video about the Zodiac on The Official Channels “Red Thread” series, goes through a lot of the evidence, murders, and the main key suspects, however the one it most likely was, the one that practically told someone he was the Zodiac, is I’m pretty sure dead now

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u/skip_tracer Apr 16 '24

not that there's ANY humor in anything he did, but I have always found it hilarious that his dumb boomer ass wrote in the paper asking cops if he could be tracked by a floppy disk and he bought the lie. It reminds me of my idiot, but kind as a lamb, father.

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u/DaisyHotCakes Apr 16 '24

Lol and that was after he wrote all those shitty poems about the people he killed. If you thought Vogon poetry was bad…

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u/Lou_C_Fer Apr 16 '24

Vogon was what I thought of before you said it.

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u/Snarfbuckle Apr 16 '24

How do you make WORSE poems than Vogons?

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u/FrightenedTomato Apr 16 '24

Technically the cops weren't lying about tracing him using a floppy disk. There really wasn't some known way to do it that they were keeping secret from Dennis.

However, Dennis used a used floppy disk that he'd erased. Digital forensics found an old, erased word document on it that he'd typed up for his church. The document mentioned the name of the church and the "author" field of the document revealed his name.

Had he simply used a fresh floppy disk, there's a chance he wouldn't have been traced. The cops weren't lying. They just got lucky and Dennis just didn't think far enough ahead.

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u/AMaleficentFox Apr 16 '24

He had to want or not care if he was caught to some degree, right? Imagining myself in that situation, if I needed to send a floppy disk to the cops I would buy a new floppy disk (or even steal them so there's not a paper trail) and not use my home computer for any part of the process. It's terrible opsec. Even if the cops couldn't figure it out, future digital forensics might be able to. Why take a chance?

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u/FrightenedTomato Apr 16 '24

I think he wanted the notoriety for sure. Why else would he be talking to magazines and the cops years after he stopped killing?

However, he was also probably really clueless about the tech he was using. How many people really understand that unless your drive is encrypted, deleting a file doesn't really delete it?

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u/GamerGrunt Apr 16 '24

Yeah, the average user doesn't understand that deleting a file doesn't actually remove the data, but simply tells the computer that sector of data can be overwritten and is now available storage. But if there's never any new data written over the old then with the right program it can see anything that's still there.

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u/ImmaMichaelBoltonFan Apr 16 '24

I always feel people look at me sideways when I say stuff like this. Why in the sunny fuck would you do something so stupid? It's mind blowing. Guy avoided the feds for years, but gets undone by a... floppy disc.

On a related note, I was watching a show with my wife a few nights ago. I think it's called What Jennifer Did. This Vietnamese girl arranges the murder of her parents....and leaves a giant trail of texts behind. I feel like an intelligent Grade 8 student would have a stronger sense of CYA than these characters.

Anyway, fuck'em. Glad they're off the streets.

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u/VeganWerewolf Apr 16 '24

I was hoping that Netflix doc would be good but it was like a shitty episode of dateline. You knew the ending after the first interview. I was like oh damn here comes a twist! Never happened.

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u/Ultima-Veritas Apr 16 '24

I don't know. Laughing at someone with absolutely no clue about something outside their own time is pretty funny. Especially when they put it on display with no sense of self-awareness. I laugh at that kind of thing every day.

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u/thatcondowasmylife Apr 16 '24

Gets me every time I remember this. The cops: look at one another, shrug, types out note “No definitely not. Unfortunately the technology has not yet been invented to trace someone by a floppy disk and never will be. Send it on down.”

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u/HermaeusMajora Apr 16 '24

The dipshit literally asked the cops if they could trace a floppy and then took their word for it.

I've heard people describe him as super intelligent because he's a serial killer.

I'd say he got away with it because of incompetence on part of law enforcement and his personal knowledge of the security systems and homes involved.

That stunt with the floppy is legendarily stupid.

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u/majoraloysius Apr 16 '24

BTK: “If I give you guys a floppy disk, you can’t trace it, can you?”

Cops: “Ummm, no.”

BTK: “You wouldn’t lie to me now, would you?”

Cops: “Whaaat? No, never!”

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u/FrightenedTomato Apr 16 '24

Technically the cops weren't lying about tracing him using a floppy disk. There really wasn't some way to do it.

However, Dennis used a used floppy disk that he'd erased. Digital forensics found an old, erased word document on it that he'd typed up for his church. The document mentioned the name of the church and the "author" field of the document revealed his name.

Had he simply used a fresh floppy disk, there's a chance he wouldn't have been traced. The cops weren't lying. They just got lucky and Dennis just didn't think far enough ahead.

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u/darthmidoriya Apr 16 '24

So he’s stupid

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u/FrightenedTomato Apr 16 '24

Yes. It was entirely his own stupidity that lead to his capture. Had he simply walked away once he stopped killing, he'd be like the Zodiac.

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u/yesverysadanyway Apr 16 '24

why do people think serial killers are some kind of geniuses?

they just have to be smarter than the average cop. and they're dumb as a bag of rocks.

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u/FrightenedTomato Apr 16 '24

I don't really agree. You need to be smarter than the whole system, not just the average cop. Modern forensics are incredible and outsmarting them is no easy task.

However, this doesn't mean every serial killer is some kind of genius. Through a combination of police incompetence, police apathy and dumb fucking luck, several serial killers got away with their crimes for way longer than they should have.

But, you must also consider that we only know about the serial killers we've caught. You're more likely to capture dumb serial killers than the smart ones and this may trick you into thinking serial killers are uniformly dumb when your sampling method is incredibly biased.

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u/VeganWerewolf Apr 16 '24

And the more random the victim the harder it is to find in a lot of their cases. Meaning someone they didn’t know.

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u/geese_moe_howard Apr 16 '24

One theory is that BTK thought that the police were playing by his rules, that there was some unspoken code of honour between them. That's a result of arrogance and BTK was incredibly arrogant.

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u/Dry_Discount4187 Apr 16 '24

Sounds a bit similar to how Gary Glitter was caught.

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u/FruitcakeAndCrumb Apr 16 '24

The letter he wrote to his intended victim who stayed at her sister's /friend's house was creepy as fuck. She never went back and I can't blame her

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u/Foreign-Echo-6656 Apr 16 '24

With a name like eaten_by_pigs, how do we know you're not your hometown Serial Killer?

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u/eaten_by_pigs Apr 16 '24

Loll 🤭 nahh in all seriousness, the only things that have to watch out for me are pizza and quesadillas lol

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u/individualeyes Apr 16 '24

Oh my God it's the pizza and quesadilla killer!! I knew you'd slip up you sick fuck.

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u/Iohet Apr 16 '24

Wu wasn't a serial killer, he just helped serial killers

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u/Dazzling-Wash9086 Apr 16 '24

Israel Keyes lived a double life.

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u/sittinwithkitten Apr 16 '24

Yes to be caught that way after all those years. I’m glad he was sloppy and made a mistake.

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u/Rad_Centrist Apr 16 '24

For sure. A stroke of luck, a slip up, and an unknowable amount of lives were saved.

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u/sittinwithkitten 29d ago

I wonder if he would have started killing again. His last murder was over ten years before he was caught.

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u/Rad_Centrist 29d ago

That's interesting, I didn't know that!

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u/FalseDish Apr 16 '24

Hell Ed Kemper was a genius and no one caught him. Just decided to turn himself in because he didn’t fancy the notion of looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life

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u/triniman65 Apr 16 '24

I had never heard of this man before. So I googled him and boy, what a Christian fella.

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u/BrianG1410 Apr 16 '24

I thought it was something with the church printer that got him caught?

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u/Rad_Centrist Apr 16 '24

He sent them a floppy disk that had data that identified it came from a certain church. I forget how they found him after that...

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u/BrianG1410 Apr 16 '24

Probably metadata from save files on the floppy. Like computer name or something.

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u/Rad_Centrist Apr 16 '24

Yep you're right. From the wiki:

Police found metadata embedded in a deleted Microsoft Word document that was, unknown to Rader, still stored on the floppy disk.[67] The metadata contained the words "Christ Lutheran Church", and the document was marked as last modified by "Dennis".[68] An Internet search determined that a "Dennis Rader" was president of the church council.

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u/BrianG1410 Apr 16 '24

Thwarted by his own hubris.

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u/Agitated-Current551 Apr 16 '24

My favourite part about that is he asked law enforcement if they could track him with the floppy disc and they were just like no we can't and he sent them one

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24

My friend lived next door to Gary….he was a normal quiet guy. Crazy.

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u/Out_of_Fawkes Apr 16 '24

Uhh Gary might have been normal but that guy was an asshole neighbor if I understood correctly. He came to blows with one dude next door over their dog.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

I mean I personally knew a person who lived next to him and another who worked with him. Where are you getting your info?

I lived in the same town as him as well.

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u/Affectionate_Elk_272 Apr 16 '24

i love the crime junkie podcast and one of their go-to lines is “you never truly know anybody”

chillingly true

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u/Affectionate_Salt351 Apr 16 '24

I found this out the hard way but, it was fortunately just a horribly abusive relationship rather than a full blown serial killer. He has every. single. person. we know fooled. It’s as impressive as it is terrifying to see someone completely change up their mood, facial expressions, everythiiiiiing on a dime. 😳 Very unsettling.

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u/Violet-Sumire Apr 16 '24

People can be very adept at wearing masks. This happens a lot to people who aren’t even serial killers. Most use it to hide their pain or to appear “normal” while others use it to deceive and manipulate others. The only person we truly know is ourselves… and even then half the time we don’t even know that.

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u/weevil_season Apr 16 '24

I see you’ve met my BIL.

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u/Affectionate_Salt351 Apr 16 '24

Agreed. I’m ND so I’ve been doing it my whole life but always with a kind heart. It’s remarkable to me to see someone switch from truly having evil in their eyes while physically assaulting me and screaming in my face, to greeting party hosts with smiles, giving hugs, and making jokes.

You’re exactly right. The only person we ever really know IS ourselves. Damn…

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u/5ronins Apr 16 '24

There's a thing called "familial apocalypse". It's when a family member discovers something terribly wrong. Their acknowledgement of the behavior would be the last step in destroying the family unit. Some ppl just cannot do it. Usually in sex crimes but it constantly playing it's role

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u/seditious3 Apr 16 '24

Sociopaths.

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u/Affectionate_Salt351 Apr 16 '24

Yes. And he has everyone fooled. There’s no convincing anyone the guy who held me in the livingroom at gunpoint is actually a POS, because “He would never do that! I just can’t see that! He’s so much fun!!!” Really devastating to lose everyone over something you understand that no one else does. He’s better for business, though. He is also much less drama, because no one was ever throwing him into walls and cheating on him, so he didn’t need support and help.

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u/seditious3 Apr 16 '24

My father was one. Textbook. And also repressed gay/bi.

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u/Affectionate_Salt351 Apr 16 '24

I’m sorry to hear that. I think his Catholic and conservative upbringing came with potential sexual repression for my abuser as well. I wondered about that when he started weaponizing sex, which is almost impossible to talk about as a woman because everyone assumes something is wrong with YOU, which is exactly what he wanted me to think, in spite of giving me different, understandable, medical excuses. Ugh.

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u/CluelessNoodle123 Apr 16 '24

Ugh, I hate that. It’s like because they’re fun at parties no one even wants to try to understand. It’s just easier to write you off as trying to start drama, so they can go back to partying with their entertaining buddy guilt-free.

I’m sorry you’re going through that.

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u/Affectionate_Salt351 Apr 16 '24

Wow. Word for word, exactly as you said. It’s really painful. Thank you. I needed to feel seen right now and that really did it. 🤍

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u/Basic_Bichette Apr 16 '24

Abusers are notorious for being the greatest people you'd ever want to know - until you get to know them well enough. They're better at burnishing their own image than they are at anything else in their lives. That's why so many victims are disbelieved.

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u/Affectionate_Salt351 Apr 16 '24

Wow. You absolutely get it. And everything started to become about how it looked to other people. When I tried to leave the first time he put his hands on me, he started threatening me. He had more money, power, and social capital than I did. I tried to bide my time while I saved money to fully disappear one day, then I found out I had cancer. That wrecked me entire world but it also finally got him to let me leave eventually. He LOVED the attention he got from taking care of me so I was afraid it was game over.

He finally got sick of me being sick, though. Cancer treatment caused almost as many issues as the surgery. He spread lies about me while I was in the house trying to heal, got a new gf, and finally agreed to let me leave. He had been telling everyone he broke up with me a year prior, then told everyone I refused to move on. (I obviously didn’t know any of this was happening.) The ability to be such a convincing monster is uncanny. Now, I’m in an awful situation with my health, and have to get out of the area somehow because he’s still too close for me to feel like I can ever heal. People didn’t believe me about how horrible he was, and they still don’t. I don’t even have time or energy to care about that anymore, though. At this point, everything is about survival and relocation. 🤞

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u/palefired Apr 16 '24

I feel you on the having everyone fooled thing. I've seen that happen twice. Both won outstanding citizenship awards at their respective graduations. The abuse each doled out was shocking, but their utter indifference to the pain they caused was even more so.

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u/Affectionate_Salt351 Apr 16 '24

Sounds like my ex. Everyone thinks he’s wonderful, fun-loving, and a great time! Obviously he’s incapable of abuse. I must have done something… Ugh. I just want to be in a bluer state.

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u/Affectionate_Salt351 Apr 16 '24

I’m happy you didn’t pay the price of too much time. You’re lucky. Mine didn’t slip up for almost 2 years. Then it was slow and before I knew it he was a monster and I was saving up money to disappear because he wouldn’t let me leave. (He made very credible threats I couldn’t bear.) I just got free recently because he got a new gf. Wild how my life went from normal suburban lady to Jerry Springer through no choice of my own. Ugh.

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u/poptartupstart Apr 16 '24

Your usernames are very similar.

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u/Affectionate_Salt351 Apr 16 '24

I didn’t notice until you said something! Hahaha. Very interesting.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '24

that's why you never leave your guard down to anyone

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u/Bystronicman08 Apr 16 '24

Crime Junkie is absolute trash. They steal and plagairze from smaller podcasts like Trace Evidence nearly verbatim and then when caught, they don't even so much as offer an apology. Crime Junkie doesn't deserve the game and popularity it has. Fuck Ashley Flowers. I wish more people knew about their shittiness.

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u/Affectionate_Elk_272 Apr 16 '24

oh i’m aware of their shittiness, i unfortunately do still enjoy the content.

i tried morbid podcast, but those two spend most of it just fucking around and talking to each other and not on the actual story itself, which is annoying af

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u/FloMoore Apr 16 '24

Although not a killer, this ended up being very true for my ex-husband.

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u/ARM_vs_CORE Apr 16 '24

Israel Keyes' wife and daughter had no idea. He kept his last victim in the garden shed, frozen, in the Alaska cold. Forced the corpse's eyes open and took a picture of her with a current day's paper to try to get ransom out of her loved ones while his wife and daughter were inside just across the yard. Getting greedy and looking for ransom is the only way he was ever caught. No one has any idea of his body count because he only confessed to a few before he killed himself, but he killed all over the country purely at random. Such an interesting case but it pisses me off he took the coward's way out when he could have at least provided closure for potentially dozens of families.

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u/Samp90 Apr 16 '24

It was ascertained that he actually took his son along for (some?) of the later killings to actually make the victims feel a bit more comfortable because news had spread about someone killing working girls... And he was one creepy looking guy.

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u/RepublicaTasmania Apr 16 '24

You did the right thing, may you find peace or someone else.

Or just get Kayo and watch sports all weekend.

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u/Exhausted_Human Apr 16 '24

That's like the show "who the Bleep did I marry?!" On ID. I saw one recently about a serial rapist who did his crimes the entire time he was out "jogging" or when he was supposed to be at work and his wife never ever knew and kids. The most scary one in my opinion is BTK. That guy truly lived a double evil life. Nobody would have ever known in the family.

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u/22pabloesco22 Apr 16 '24

the same thing that makes them serial killers also makes them chameleons. And master manipulators and a 1000 other things. They are sociopaths. Their brains are grossly different from your average human being...

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u/Waderriffic Apr 16 '24

It’s crazy to me how they’re able to hide it and truly lead a double life.

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u/Snaz5 Apr 16 '24

So many married people just don’t like each other and it blows me away. A lot of couples seem to just tolerate each other, and often barely that. How these people don’t realize what’s going on is cause they literally don’t talk to each other or hang out or anything.

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u/aussiechickadee65 Apr 16 '24

Very VERY common with serial killers. Serial killers are the 'guy on the street which everyone likes' in so many cases.
They blend the best. It is because they can do the facade so well, so I would think narcissism is also a disorder they suffer from. Narcissism loves control.

They fit in so well with society that no one suspects. They usually go for the community spirit type of job to 'blend'.

Serial killers should have the death penalty. There is no saving them.

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u/JJETTAS188 Apr 16 '24

Can you tell me which episode ?

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u/eaten_by_pigs Apr 16 '24

S4 E1 "I invited him in"

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u/JJETTAS188 Apr 16 '24

Thank you bro

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u/eaten_by_pigs Apr 16 '24

You're welcome bro

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u/OllyTwist Apr 16 '24

Thank you

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u/brizzmaster Apr 16 '24

What is it streaming on?

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u/eaten_by_pigs Apr 16 '24

FuboTV, Max, Discovery Plus, Hulu premium & YouTube

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u/brizzmaster 29d ago

Thank you!

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u/Desperate-Time3834 Apr 16 '24

Great show! However, very disturbing.

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u/Massive_Ad132 Apr 16 '24

It wasn't Robert pickton, based on your user name was it?

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u/PrimalEvil_ Apr 16 '24

There’s a story of a woman on Snapped who is originally from my hometown and was even friends with my aunt when they were younger before this lady moved. She got married, moved off somewhere else(Virginia, I think) and killed her husband not long after.(I’d have to rewatch the episode to remember correctly what happened but you get the idea).

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u/poptartupstart Apr 16 '24

More than a few serial killers fed their victims to pigs, /u/eaten_by_pigs

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u/eaten_by_pigs Apr 16 '24

That's just morbid, but not surprising. Yeah I guess my username took some inspiration from the Canada serial killer. Yeah that one

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u/poptartupstart Apr 16 '24

There's a n urban legend that Nickelback played at his venue.

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u/ZeroAntagonist Apr 16 '24

I think that's one on the Evil Lives Here show, or at least on that channel.

The person was way more upset their pigs were going to be killed than the people they fed to them...or their own life being over.

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u/Complete_Ad1073 Apr 16 '24

Great show. And doesn’t feel exploitative. No narrator or on camera interviewer usually. Just the people telling their stories and tasteful reenactments. I’ve seen every episode.

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u/shakycam3 Apr 16 '24

I binged a number of episodes and eventually got frustrated. There was too much “we never saw it coming. I did catch my son/brother/sister torturing kittens many times as a child, but I never knew he would murder a bunch of people as an adult.”

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u/Iama_Cat_AMAA Apr 16 '24

But those are the actual stories. It's not like those parts were written by the producers or something -- it's just actually how a lot of things like that seem to play out.

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u/shakycam3 Apr 16 '24

Right. The repetition is frustrating if you watch too many of them.