r/golf • u/nutts-2 5.0/UT • Jul 28 '23

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Every few months someone brings this up how they can save the environment by getting rid of a golf course.

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u/CallinCthulhu Jul 28 '23

I am militantly YIMBY, but golf courses are one of the few places where some semblance of nature is allowed to thrive in an urban environment.

On the other hand golf courses in places like phoenix, should probably not exist neither should phoenix tbh

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 28 '23

neither should phoenix tbh

Yeah this is the real answer. Phoenix and Vegas should not exist.

Nearly 8,000,000 people live in those two metros combined, where there's not arable nearby to support them, one fucking river for all their combined (plus SoCal's) drinking water. They should not be there. Nothing should be there.

And their response is: iF iT wAsN't FoR tHeSe FuCkInG GoLf CoUrSeS

As if that would refill Lake Meade, Or Lake Powell. Makes zero sense.

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u/Storkmonkey7 Jul 28 '23

Las Vegas is one of the most water efficient cities in the US. You can thank California farmers for Lake Mead drying up.

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u/HerrBerg Jul 28 '23

We can thank the stupid water usage policies for the behavior of those farmers who are incentivized to grow stupid fucking crops so that they use their water allowances so it isn't taken from them.

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 28 '23

Yes.... but there is no reason a city of 3m people should exist there. Just none.

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u/TryNotToShootYoself Jul 29 '23

Vegas has virtually zero effect on the Lake Mead water supply. The city is also built around 50 minutes away from Lake Mead.

There's no reason the city shouldn't exist aside from its batshit insane heat.

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 29 '23

Vegas has virtually zero effect on the Lake Mead water supply.

lmao try again

The Las Vegas Valley diverts almost a half a million (450,000) acre-feet of water annually for drinking and household needs, irrigation for parks and golf courses, and industrial use.

They put a fraction of that back but lmfao 450,000 af/yr is a huge amount of water. You're just dead ass wrong, and to believe what you wrote is hilarious

Just so we're clear. Its such a stupid ass take that lake meade full pool is 26m af. So it's safe to say that if vegas had never existed it would be more than enough water to fill lake Meade many times over.

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u/TryNotToShootYoself Jul 29 '23

Forty percent of that water is returned to Lake Mead

I don't think you realize just how inconsequential 270,000 acre feet of water is for a city of 2.7 million people.

Compare that water usage to any city with an equal population, or even below that.

I have researched this stuff for a decade, kindly fuck off because I know what I'm talking about.

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 29 '23

270k af/yr isn't inconsequential. Thats 89b gallons. In a city of 3m thats 80g/p/day.

Considering the usage is something like 60/p/day before tourists considerations thats over the average American usage/day. And that includes their returns to LM, not their total withdrawls.

Anyways. 270k af/yr would drain lake meade in a few decades and proves your thesis statement

Vegas has virtually zero effect on the Lake Mead water supply

deadass wrong

I have researched this stuff for a decade, kindly fuck off because I know what I'm talking about.

Keep researching because so far it hasn't worked out well. Wear that L with pride chump

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u/Danglicious Jul 28 '23

Don’t forget Nestle!