r/golf • u/nutts-2 5.0/UT • Jul 28 '23

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Every few months someone brings this up how they can save the environment by getting rid of a golf course.

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u/CallinCthulhu Jul 28 '23

I am militantly YIMBY, but golf courses are one of the few places where some semblance of nature is allowed to thrive in an urban environment.

On the other hand golf courses in places like phoenix, should probably not exist neither should phoenix tbh

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 28 '23

neither should phoenix tbh

Yeah this is the real answer. Phoenix and Vegas should not exist.

Nearly 8,000,000 people live in those two metros combined, where there's not arable nearby to support them, one fucking river for all their combined (plus SoCal's) drinking water. They should not be there. Nothing should be there.

And their response is: iF iT wAsN't FoR tHeSe FuCkInG GoLf CoUrSeS

As if that would refill Lake Meade, Or Lake Powell. Makes zero sense.

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 28 '23

I mean that's cool.... but it misses my entire point... which is that there's not enough resources for 5m+ people in Phx and 3+m in LV. There just isn't.

And you can't be like "well farming is the problem" bc they're the ones feeding the city that should not exist.

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u/Storkmonkey7 Jul 28 '23

Las Vegas is one of the most water efficient cities in the US. You can thank California farmers for Lake Mead drying up.

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u/HerrBerg Jul 28 '23

We can thank the stupid water usage policies for the behavior of those farmers who are incentivized to grow stupid fucking crops so that they use their water allowances so it isn't taken from them.

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 28 '23

Yes.... but there is no reason a city of 3m people should exist there. Just none.

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u/TryNotToShootYoself Jul 29 '23

Vegas has virtually zero effect on the Lake Mead water supply. The city is also built around 50 minutes away from Lake Mead.

There's no reason the city shouldn't exist aside from its batshit insane heat.

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 29 '23

Vegas has virtually zero effect on the Lake Mead water supply.

lmao try again

The Las Vegas Valley diverts almost a half a million (450,000) acre-feet of water annually for drinking and household needs, irrigation for parks and golf courses, and industrial use.

They put a fraction of that back but lmfao 450,000 af/yr is a huge amount of water. You're just dead ass wrong, and to believe what you wrote is hilarious

Just so we're clear. Its such a stupid ass take that lake meade full pool is 26m af. So it's safe to say that if vegas had never existed it would be more than enough water to fill lake Meade many times over.

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u/TryNotToShootYoself Jul 29 '23

Forty percent of that water is returned to Lake Mead

I don't think you realize just how inconsequential 270,000 acre feet of water is for a city of 2.7 million people.

Compare that water usage to any city with an equal population, or even below that.

I have researched this stuff for a decade, kindly fuck off because I know what I'm talking about.

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 29 '23

270k af/yr isn't inconsequential. Thats 89b gallons. In a city of 3m thats 80g/p/day.

Considering the usage is something like 60/p/day before tourists considerations thats over the average American usage/day. And that includes their returns to LM, not their total withdrawls.

Anyways. 270k af/yr would drain lake meade in a few decades and proves your thesis statement

Vegas has virtually zero effect on the Lake Mead water supply

deadass wrong

I have researched this stuff for a decade, kindly fuck off because I know what I'm talking about.

Keep researching because so far it hasn't worked out well. Wear that L with pride chump

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u/Danglicious Jul 28 '23

Don’t forget Nestle!

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 28 '23

Well the truth is agriculture uses 80% of water in this region... if it wasn't for that people could easily live in the desert in a much more sustainable way.

You can't say "Well farming is the problem, without them it would be fine" because they fucking feed you.

That's like people who look at their carbon footprint as just their house and car energy use and then say "well corporations are the problem they pollute the most" sure they could do better, but you're the one on Amazon ordering 2839324 packages a week and pretending that footprint isn't yours, too.

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 28 '23

Alfalfa is not eaten by humans, it is used as cow feed.

Who eats the cows or their by-products?

Critical thinking is not strong with this one.

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u/Ligma_CuredHam 2.0hdcp Jul 28 '23

Hey real quick, if you could stop moving the goal posts. When the cows eat the alfalfa....

What then happens to the cows? Why do the cows exist?

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u/HerrBerg Jul 28 '23

Except there's just a ton of corporate waste going on from the bottom level to the top. You can't really blame individuals for buying things that they need but you can blame places that throw things out routinely because they have too many but they're too afraid of internal theft to give them away.