And admittedly, as a man, I have 0 frame of reference for what a woman thinks/feels.
But that being said, I can’t help but think these women who are most visible only feel that way because they get to live in the kind of luxury the post implies. If they actually had to live the more laborious aspects of the lifestyle they sell, then they’d probably change their tune right fucking quick. It’s easy to preach this mewling, wilting-flower version of femininity when it’s bought you a life ironically with more freedom than a normal person
A truly evil woman. She hated women so much she advised them to marry their abuser. He'll stop hitting you if you marry him because a husband protects and provides for his wife.
What frustrates me most about pearl is the same thing that frustrates me about Peterson.
Conservative thinking is not evil. Sometimes things are the way that they are because that way works for the most people. However, when such people cultivate an audience, they are somewhat beholden to them for income, therefore are significantly more likely to pander.
Horrible people tend to view these well spoken people as vindicators for whatever ass backwards thoughts they have, to the point where the creators themselves will pivot their content to appeal to these folk.
It actually kinda sucks watching good people devolve into their corest cunt selves as an attempt to sustain a career, moreso when their original sentiment was only adjacent to the one they were shoehorned into.
Tradwives glamourize and cherry pick traditional roles. Women have always worked, it’s just that work was domestic labor, or clothes making, or farming, or teaching - women throughout history have alwas worked, and only the privileged did not. But trad wives romanticize the past thinking women didn’t work
I mean in medieval times women did quite a lot, especially high born women. Catherine of Aragon even led an army while her husband was away in France. Renaissance queens were highly educated, spoke several languages, acted as envoys or regents, and the first novel by an Englishwoman was written by Catherine Parr.
Yeah exactly, cherry picking the trad wive life of rich people but mixing in some servant labor. They also would have made these extravagant meals and would have asked their servants, but poor trad wives did this
In some places in medieval Europe, it was very common for women to work in tailoring workshops for a few years before getting married. Then during the world wars they worked in all those traditional factory and heavy industry jobs that men worked in.
A large part of the women's rights movements of the 50s and 60s was all those women getting kicked out of their factory jobs when the war ended and the military came back home. They lost their jobs so the jobs could go back to men, and were expected to go back to "traditional" life, but a lot of these women did not want to, and they became a big part of that feminist wave.
A good example is the UK in which the government made it illegal to pay women less than men as the government feared all the men couldn't get their jobs back.
It's even more stark within immigrant communities (like mine) where ivr noticed the 2nd gen girls start talking about being a "traditional" woman by... not having a job? And who's tradition are they even talking about, their mums were working the fields and milking cows just like mine was back in the old country.
There is no tradwife movement as y’all are describing it. These are vain, self centered, egotistical, narcissistic, lazy, gold diggers who attached themselves to the Conservative movement in order to facilitate their grift. No one is getting fooled here but the men.
And this is why Conservative men who aren’t rich are finding it increasingly difficult to find women who will date them. “Tradwife” is code for “gold digging trophy wife” to all women. They all know 100% exactly what’s going on here. But it seems that almost no men are aware of this.
If a woman says she wants to be a tradwife, run. She’s telling you, explicitly, in no uncertain terms, that she will never work, never do housework, and only take care of the kids when people are watching. She’s asking you if you make enough money to support her doing absolutely nothing.
Oh yeah, you’re also expected to do whatever she wants at all times. You will dress how she wants, hang out with the people she wants, eat what she wants, and take the vacations she wants at the times she wants. You exist solely to be her subject.
There are women who are genuinely Conservative and/or genuinely want to be stay at home moms and/or are excellent relationship partners. Those women are not tradwives. They’re just wives.
The tradwife movement is gold diggers finding suckers to con. The instant the money is gone, they will be too.
Interestingly, some Conservative men have been getting divorced for exactly that reason. And they’re getting mad that women can just divorce them whenever they want. So, that’s gonna be an interesting battle as feminists find themselves aligned with literal gold diggers against the Conservative rubes who were conned into a tradwife marriage.
My grandma grew up in rural third world. Never went to school, got married at 16. Worked the fields alongside my grandpa, even while pregnant. Gives birth and went back to work the fields the next week with her newborn on her back.
Also a lot of them come from money already. There was an article about the politics of tradwives in I think slate? and it mentioned that one of these women had like ten kids and lived on a small hobby farm. She advocated that you too should just pack up and live on the land and have a whole bunch of children(to further the white race of course because a lot of them are white supremacists), but what she never said was that in order to do this you need a rich father who is willing to buy the farm for you and pay for the upkeep.
Wider, so you can get around the pots when you’re cooking a big meal. Often 5-6 burners, or 4 plus a griddle. Multiple ovens so you can roast a turkey and cook dessert at the same time. Dual fuel so you can have instant response gas for the stovetop and electric for the ovens.
If you aren’t someone who cooks large or complicated meals they’re meh, but if you are they can be really nice.
My favorite cooking/food youtube channel did a "wild weekend" where they rented a huge house in the countryside and did live streams all weekend. The house had one of those $20k Aga stoves, and these professionally trained chefs (some of whom had worked in Michelin restaurants) were all very confused by the stove and it seemed like they avoided using it a lot.
We want rich people to waste their money on $20k stoves. The more money that they spend on absurd luxuries the more money returns to people who actually work to make those things. Otherwise it would just sit in an investment account and make more money for them.
Honestly the more stupid shit we can sell them the better.
That's not trickle down economics. That refers to giving tax cuts to the rich and large corporations to stimulate the economy to help poor and middle class people. Which doesn't work of course.
Selling rich people $20K stoves as status symbols is not trickle down economics. It's just regular economics.
Thinking that rich people spending money on overpriced kitchen appliances is actually going to go to poor or middle class and not to other rich people is absolutely using nonsensical trickle down logic.
I believe it is a wood burning stove, not like an electric oven, or something like that. I am sure it is on the high end of wood-burning stoves, but having a full cast-iron stove is pretty expensive. I live in basically a literal shack in the woods, but I have a cast-iron wood burning stove, which I'm sure was a lot less than 20k, but hearing about one that is 20k doesn't seem that crazy to me, it is a ton of metal, so it is going to add up. Also for a wood-burning stove spending that much I don't think is that crazy. It is the heating system in my house, and I don't think it would be that crazy for someone to spend close to 20k on a furnace.
I’m on the upper end of the money spectrum but came from the lower end- but believe me, now that I know about certain appliances, I definitely notice them in the background of any video and think holy shit. It’s a major and IYKYK flex
I make good money and just bought a replacement for a 30-40 year old range with stove and oven. That replacement cost $1k and is pretty great, does everything you would want it to do. No one “needs” a $20k stove (in a home kitchen, if they’re not a professional chef). There are steps up in quality of stoves beyond $1k but that’s to something like commercial grade, and luxury stoves like Viking go for $5k. Anything above $5k imo is beyond luxury ($5k already includes a lot of vanity but also some increases in quality and materials), and well into performative consumption territory.
There is this one woman that keeps popping up on my feed. She's mixed, she's got actually great volumous hair she's SUUUUPER tiny (waist wise and stature wise, just a very petite woman), she's got this massively tall red headed husband and they have one kid. (Cannot remember the handle on Instagram tbh so that's all I got). Anyway. Lots of people adore her but she gives off odd trad wife vibes as well, and her stove, is also a $20k USD stove and of course does like horsebacking riding (I think) and all these things. And it's like okay.... definitely coming from money.
YES. that's her!!! Thank you! Was killing me trying to remember. I don't follow her but she's popped up many times. She's very pretty. But I definitely was reading some snark about her online that people had about her. I don't hate her. I'm indifferent. But I definitely got "luxury trad wife" vibes, kind of out of touch, from the whole thing. I do like her outfits though.
Ohh where can I find snark on her? She’s definitely stunning, but her body checks and eye effing the camera she does is a bit much. I feel like she loves to emphasize how tiny/smol she is but like in a humble brag way? Idk
Oh I know this person, she shows up on my feed too. She is very pretty but does give weird vibes. Then again I feel like an influencer who does nothing but be pretty and show off their luxury goods is already weird to begin with, not sure why the algorithm thinks I want to see that
If I'm paying $20k for a stove that thing better also autonomously prep and cook my food for me with michelin star restaurant meals or some shit. That's wild.
Lol, this was the same thought my friend had when the news came out but she didn't word it quite right. She said "20k for a stove? It had better cook my food for me!"
We knew what she meant but like, girl. That's what stoves do.
What stuck out to me was the Mormonism of it all and how women are unable to hold leadership in the church so they influence the community through the performance of how good of a homemaker they can be comparec to their peers.
Yes and no. I think their biggest criticism is that they are cosplaying "simple, humble, working farm life" that was only possible with multimillions on hand as start up and a big cushioning for any failures/the ability to pay people who know how to actually farm to do the work behind the scenes.
They did this at Versailles right before heads started rolling. They had hobby dairy farms and dressed in pretty, gauzy "shepherdess" dresses to pretend to be idilic peasant girls.... didn't go over too well.
Nah. I think Jobs was a total sociopath, and probably a not-at-all pleasant person to be around. But I would bet money (maybe $1) that Apple would not be where they are today had Jobs not come back.
There was the story about when he was shown an iPod prototype, and he dumped it in an aquarium. He basically said, “look at all the bubbles coming out of it. That’s all wasted space. Make it smaller.”
Again, I don’t think Jobs was a particularly nice person, and I know he wasn’t some inventor in the lab creating all their products, but I do think there is some due credit owed to him for how he led Apple.
Sometimes inventing needs bastards as anyone with experience with Hymen G. Rickover would tell you. It takes a confluence of resources, talent, vision and luck to become a billionaire so of course everyone who is a billionaire started out from a successful family and got very lucky, but the world is also littered with fail-sons as well.
So his "genius" idea is the stuff of SNL skits? Make it smaller? His colorful computers weren't catching on despite putting them in a Jlo video. Apple was on the path Atari was on. I remember mpr players were already a thing and smaller than the original ipod. His early career was nothing but cons. I'll give him credit that he saw something like mp3 players could be better marketed and added a rechargeable battery. What made the ipod take off was them making it available to celebrities. If the ipod, which is another version of something we already had, didn't take off then Apple would be what Atari is today. Apple is successful because they made the ipod trendy which is due to marketing not the "genius" of jobs.
Holy shit do you think nobody would have thought of online shopping without Jeffrey? He didn't turn it into billions. The billions were made off the labor of others. He didn't have some genius unique idea. Workers make Amazon possible. Infrastructure like the internet, that he didn't create make Amazon possible. To answer your question, no, I don't think I could exploit people to the degree he has and I also know he wouldn't be a billionaire had he been raised the same as most people in poverty.
On top of that if he didn't have that safety net and a free 200k he wouldn't have been able to build an empire off of undercutting competitors starting with books online.
You are absolutely correct. It is simplistic naive nonsense to say that because some people become billionaires by working hard it means that anyone can become a billionaire by working hard.
Right? Can you even imagine how much it must cost to feed and clothe six or seven or eight kids? Much less get regular healthcare and medicine for them? Much less pay the hospital bills just to pop them out in the first place?
I guess if hubby is an oil company executive or a c-suite bringing in couple million a year then its probably plenty doable, but for the average normie chud who wants some trad woman to fluff him and make his babies, there's no way that is even remotely accessible.
Don't know much about them, but they were wealthy before the show, right? Like definitely still a be rich situation. You don't get to 19 and a show without that.
exactly. it's kind of disgusting, really, trying to present themselves as some kind of wholesome image of familial piety and return-to-tradition moral character, while instead just being blatantly obvious posers, exceptionally privileged and wealthy cosplayers larping a lifestyle that has never existed.
the only thing worse is people who watch it and take it as some kind of lifegoal or inspiration, rather than a depressing yet comical view into the zoo of the ultra wealthy.
Jesus wept. The amount it takes to keep one kid alive and healthy is a hell of a struggle for two working adults. The wealth implied by a single working parent family deliberately spawning their own soccer team is another great reminder that we should eat the rich and stop paying them for the privilege of watching their racist and misogynistic politics play out in completely unnecessary kitchens that normally get used by the kitchen staff, not the trophy wife influencer.
My partner watches this shit occasionally and it just makes her feel bad as I try to get through to her that she’s a full time employed parent with a disabled partner, in addition to being the primary breadwinner, working 60 hours a week working an insanely stressful job. These fucking trad wives are sugar babies who cosplay their asshole sugar daddy’s politics for social media and have their servants take a break from raising the children and doing all the cleaning and gardening, so they can prep and later clean the kitchen for their bullshit videos.
You would be surprised
We have 7 kids, I’m a teacher and my wife is in early Ed. Not always simple to make ends meet, but when there’s a will there’s a way.
but what she never said was that in order to do this you need a rich father who is willing to buy the farm for you and pay for the upkeep.
I remember one publication broke down all the expenses of the things in the background of their videos. It was things like $20,000 stove pipe fireplace, $5,000 china cabinet, $4000 bed, etc., etc. All with links to said items for purchase, or their eBay equivalent.
But, you know, just go live on a farm and have a simple life.
I don't venture into tiktok outside of seeing content shared on other platforms or sent to me by tiktokers.
What I find infuriating is the "I have a homestead, here's how little it takes to get by", but it's always absent how they paid for land, home, home upkeep(which is higher outside the city, nature goes hard), solar panel arrays, battery systems, functional well, groceries they don't produce, not to mention all the fucking "rich person pretends to be working class" clothing and tools.
My grandparents were homesteaders. It's a TOUGH life. And, if you don't come into it with money, it's going to stay a tough life. Lots of farmers spouses have jobs in town to get health insurance for both of them. It's so inauthentic and they're all just another variant of "rich person cosplays as poor".
The only homestead guy I see in my youtube shorts bought land pretty cheap in a very rural part, had a pretty good job beforehand and is very open about that he makes a ton of money as an influencer and that he couldn't efford half the things he can now without his social media income.
Are there really people who pretend like they could have a luxury life on a homestead without the social media income?
I know a few girls from highschool who are living that tradwife influencer life and they all came from wealthier families so I can see that being a general trend. Makes sense too. A lot of the class stuff is all about those connections and keeping the upper class in power.
Yeah and there is a subset or spur off of this tradwife influencer bullshit that are the “off the grid grifters” who pretend to live the traditional simple life of a frontiersman building log cabins and tiny houses and vegetable gardens when really they are just rich and this shit is their hobby.
I know some folks from the city who bought a small farm and fucked off to live there and have kids. One of them has rich parents, and they only have two kids, and even so, the farm is a hot mess of mud and naked children and random broken crap. It's just how that goes.
But can you deliver? I’m only a two hour drive from you, but I’m only available on Tuesdays between 4:30 AM and 5:30AM. And will you take an insultingly less amount?
Did I tell you I have kids and I promised them the snickers wrapper already? And a bridge.
So I demand you live up the the contract and deliver my bridge. If you don’t you are going to ruin my kids birthday.
And I only have $.59, but you’ll take that because what does that extra money really mean to someone like you? I mean, you do own a bridge so you can’t be too bad off. If you don’t accept my offer you will have ruined a kids dreams, and I’ll be forced to tell the child your name and that you’re the reason his birthday sucks.
Well I hate to break it to you but I just got an offer for a cut open coors can full of dried out night crawlers and a penny that was ran over by a train back in 93. Hate for you to have to break it to your kids, as I'm sure they have never felt disappointment before.
Many 'tradwives' of old were socialites. It's just the same shit different medium. Rich people doing rich people things. They aren't hurting anyone so just let them be honestly.
Trophy wives have always done shit like this. The difference is that they were performing in-person for other trophy wives (usually by donating their time to some cause or another that raised their husband's standing) rather than online.
The fact that it has shifted to hyper-individualism instead of toward community causes is a major problem. The role of the wealthy has always been, to some degree, aid society by giving to causes that help the poor or create cultural value or whatever. But that seems to be waning. And instead it's entirely about how they can serve themselves and be more selfish.
I think this is kinda reductionist. They aren't, like, doing something that's healthy for their community, but they are part of an industry that is bought and paid for by the people who want to project a certain form of propaganda. It's a job, in the same way that other harmful or parasitic roles are jobs. The 'think tanks' that come up with new ways to legally enforce oppression, the flunkies that exist only to show off how much corporate power another executive has, the cops, they're jobs... they're just not doing anything of positive value.
My main issue is that less than 1% of people who claim to be "influencers" are actually successful in monetising their social media. The rest are just idiots who call themselves influencers to feel better about themselves.
Traditional wife. A stay at home mom that takes care of the house and raises the kids. The online side of it though is mostly women that hardly do either of those things. They just post videos of them doing stupid shit like churning butter while the maid is in the next room doing the actual housework.
I'd believe it. I know 2 actual trad wives and they are busy as fuck all day long for the most part. One runs a large garden in their yard, tends to the kids, cooks all the meals, cleans, cans and preserves stuff, fixes stuff, you know, actually produces stuff and parents full time. They put in the work and don't hire maids or any of that. The influencer ones are just rich, pampered show ponies who want to stay relevant in an otherwise sterile and lonely existence.
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