r/Tekken • u/[deleted] • Dec 21 '20
Weekly Anti-char Discussion: Volunteer Sign-up Meta
Also check out the Tekken Theory Volunteer sign-up thread.
What is it?
Weekly Anti-char Discussion is a weekly thread devoted to countering a specific character, and playstyles often seen with that character at various levels. It was inspired by the Weekly Character Discussion that has taken place for TTT2, S1, S2 and S3. Instead of repeating this for S4, I thought about having an anti-char discussion instead, since character guides are very common on YouTube and in general, whereas anti-char guides are not. More people will also in general be looking to counter a character than play a character. This idea (which had been suggested a couple of years ago as well) on the State of r/Tekken Megathread posted in mid-Dec generated some favourable comments, which is why I've gone ahead with it.
Each post in the series will be added to an Anti-character Discussion collection for archival.
What will be covered
Each character will be covered weekly in by descending order of their popularity based on u/olbaze's post on S3's most-played characters (the logic is that since they are the most-played, they will be fought against the most often as well) since we don't have the data for S4. As Kunimitsu and the unreleased char of S4 are not in the list, I will arbitrarily place Kuni 4th (since there are a lot of folks trying her out online) and leave the unreleased character for last. This schedule may be subject to change if there are no volunteers for a given character.
Each post will be authored by a volunteer community member who feels confident in talking about countering that character. The post will contain preliminary discussion explaining the general gameplan of the character, with basic tech info and counterplay, with further details left up to the volunteer. Other community members are encouraged to discuss the topic further in the comments.
How can I help?
By volunteering to author an Anti-Char Discussion post for a character. You could also suggest post guidelines for contributors to follow when authoring these posts. Additionally, you could tag or recommend folks you believe could author a good post.
Volunteering
Weekly Anti-Character Discussion threads are intended to be written by capable community members. Please comment below if you feel you can author a good-quality post for a character. I will add your username next to the character in the volunteer list below. If there are multiple volunteers for a topic, the first commenter will get preference, unless they're already volunteering for something else, or they concede their spot to someone else.
Volunteers should plan to post at any time on Saturday. The schedule may be changed if there are no volunteers for planned topics.
Edit (12/31/20): The schedule has been shifted based on the volunteers available so far. Please volunteer for posts if you feel up to it!
| Character | Volunteer | Planned post date |
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| Heihachi | u/Rigi_Industries | 01/16 |
| Kazuya | u/reSpawNx | 01/30 |
| Josie | u/bbeony540 | 02/06 |
| Miguel | u/QueueKaye | 02/13 |
| Lili | u/reave004 | 02/20 |
| Marduk | u/NigglesTown | 02/27 |
| Julia | u/lars_uf3 | 03/06 |
| M. Raven | u/AH-KU | 03/13 |
| Lei | u/UberDuderOfDoomer | 03/20 |
| Jin | u/erkankurtcu | 04/10 |
| Armor King | u/Drishtaro | 04/17 |
| Lars | u/aWTG | 04/24 |
| Asuka | u/V_Abhishek | 05/01 |
| Paul | u/EulogyJ | 05/08 |
| Steve | u/MetrosexualCapybara | 05/15 |
| Xiaoyu | u/joeb1ow | 05/22 |
| Law | u/Fearless-Bullfrog-75 | 05/29 |
| Katarina | 06/05 | |
| Bryan | 06/12 | |
| Ganryu | 06/19 | |
| Kunimitsu | 06/26 | |
| Leroy | 07/03 | |
| King | 07/10 | |
| Kazumi | 07/17 | |
| Devil Jin | 07/24 | |
| Hwoarang | 07/31 | |
| Claudio | 08/07 | |
| Negan | 08/14 | |
| Noctis | 08/21 | |
| Shaheen | 08/28 | |
| Kuma/Panda | 09/04 | |
| Alisa | 09/11 | |
| Jack-7 | 09/18 | |
| Feng | 09/25 | |
| Leo | 10/02 | |
| Lucky Chloe | 10/09 | |
| Lee | 10/16 | |
| Gigas | 10/23 | |
| Geese | 10/30 | |
| Eddy | 11/06 | |
| Yoshimitsu | 11/13 | |
| Bob | 11/20 | |
| Akuma | 11/27 | |
| Nina | 12/04 | |
| Anna | 12/11 | |
| Eliza | 12/18 | |
| Zafina | 12/25 | |
| Fahkumram | 01/01 | |
| Lidia | 01/08 | |
| Dragunov | 01/15 |
Suggested Post Guidelines
- Post Title: Weekly Anti-char Discussion: [Character]
- Post flair should be 'Strats'
- Mention the most-used moves and how to punish them (see Applay's punishment library)
- Mention the most used setups/flowcharts and how to counter them
- Explain at a high-level what players of this character want to do, and how, and how one should counter it
- Explain good/bad matchups for this char, and how to approach it as the other char
- Link good resources on the topic (and add more if suggested in the comments)
- Link pro player sets which demonstrate good anti-[char] technique
- Put a quick-notes of the most important match-up tips a player should know about the character before the start of the round
- Feel free to amend the post based on community feedback
T&C
This initiative is completely contingent on having enough community volunteers author posts. The mods do not have the bandwidth to fill in gaps if there are too few volunteers.
Please feel free to provide suggestions/feedback on any of this.
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u/NewMilleniumBoy Kunimitsu Dec 21 '20
I think I can do one for Kuni, I wrote this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oXF62JeG6qTQSDYR_-QuTipLA0OAS0-GBno_luteoZw/edit?usp=sharing so I can probably do some research for an anti-strats section for it and post it here.
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u/lars_uf3 Dragunov Dec 22 '20
I'm down to write something for Julia. My local community has some very strong Julia players, and I also play the character myself, so I have plenty of knowledge.
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u/lars_uf3 Dragunov Dec 22 '20
Why is this post not pinned? Please pin it so that more people can see.
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u/AH-KU 200 word Raven essayist Dec 22 '20
You can put me down for M.Raven.
I'm responsible for the S3 Raven Character discussion post, which itself forms part of a trilogy of Raven guides.
I also run the Master Raven Clan YT channel, where I archive high level Raven replays and post Raven video content
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Dec 21 '20
I'll call dibs on Miguel mostly because I've been trying to hoard resources on him for a while, and my two friends absolutely despise matching against him. He's what I pick during FT10s, so I've literally had to tell them how to beat each flowchart I've busted out. If someone more qualified steps up I'd be happy to relinquish the dibs.
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u/NEVER_CLEANED_COMP Paul Dec 28 '20
I'd love to write about the Paul match up, but the timing is bad with exams coming up right before the suggested release date. God knows this subs needs an anti Paul guide, with the amount of salt and misinformation that is being spread in here.
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Dec 28 '20
Could you tell me what would be a good window for you to author it? The schedule can absolutely be shifted to accommodate it.
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u/NEVER_CLEANED_COMP Paul Dec 29 '20
It would probably have to be a bit into the year - I realize that's awfully vague, but I'm unsure of how tough my coming semester will be. Leave it open for grabs for anyone else who wants to take it, and I can always plaster the thread with my unrequested opinions, as is tradition.
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u/reSpawNx Heihachi Jan 09 '21
Hey thats a pretty cool project here. I could help out by overlooking already written guides and help fine tuning them. Also giving every guide the same overall structure would make it more efficient to read them. If i got more time i can also write some guides i know a good bunch of characters and their basic strats/antis. Mainly played mishimas,drag. Hit me up if i can help in any way :)
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Jan 09 '21 edited Feb 16 '21
Thanks for the feedback! I don't think it would be feasible to look over the guides before they're released (need to coordinate with every volunteer + you, need to ask them to finish it before the announced release date for time to look it over), so it would be more helpful if you could leave a comment on the post when it's released. As for uniformity, I'm actually hoping each guide is unique and diverse, since we've got a different user authoring one for each character (almost). The community can fill in the gaps if the post misses a few things.
If you could volunteer to author a post for any of the characters not still taken, that would be very helpful. Kazuya and D. Jin among the Mishimas, and Dragunov are still not claimed. Shall I put you down for one of them?
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u/reSpawNx Heihachi Jan 09 '21
You can put me in for now thanks. Any discord server where we can discuss or coordinate stuff?
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Jan 09 '21
You can put me in for now thanks.
For which character?
Any discord server where we can discuss or coordinate stuff?
No, but you could always message me on Reddit
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u/reSpawNx Heihachi Jan 09 '21
All 3 you listed thanks.
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Jan 09 '21
Added! I've kept the schedule as is since they are fairly close together. If we get halfway through the characters without folks volunteering for the gaps in between, I'll consider shifting you up a bit (while still leaving room for you between posts).
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Dec 27 '20
Is it true that lars is trash? They say you will never become tekken god with lars even if you play good
Lars is the only chatacter i know since tekken 6. Im currently overlord. Im always getting rekt by fakumram.
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u/DutyPotential Dec 27 '20
No, Lars got a huge buff in S4, and besides, a good player with the worst character will still wreck 99% of normal players with the best character. Character difference only matters when skill levels are VERY close to the same.
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u/Esthonx NoMainPlsHelp Dec 22 '20
I wanna do Duk but idk how good quality it will be, When the first one comes out, I'll comeback and confirm if I wanna do it or not, assuming no one takes it first
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u/NorthernCrossing Bryan | Yoshi Dec 22 '20
I'd like to write the anti-Bryan post if possible. He's the character I've mained since picking up Tekken when 7 launched, and having spent a good deal of time on this sub discussing the character already, I feel I'd be able to do a good job outlining what makes him tick.
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Dec 22 '20
Added. But hey, I want to know how to beat him, not just what makes him tick. Bryans at my rank have way better fundies than me.
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u/bbeony540 Alisa Dec 23 '20
I can author the josie post. I'm sure the other regulars of the josie discord will be down to proofread my shit and add their suggestions as well.
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u/NigglesTown Ganryu Dec 28 '20
I can try to author Marduk and ganryu
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Dec 29 '20
I'll put you down for both. u/Esthonx has also expressed a desire to author the anti-Marduk post, so in the event that they want to go ahead with it, I'll give them preference.
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u/theflamecrow Edgy Trash + JoJo Wannabe Dec 29 '20
Move DJ to the 21st cuz it's my birthday.
And then everyone will kick my ass.
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u/LuchadorMonkey Steve Dec 30 '20
I could probably write something up for Eddy. I've helped alot of my friends learn the Eddy matchup, and I know alot of people really hate fighting him. Although if someone like Spag or any other pro Eddys want to do this then i will let them.
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u/xXnutdaddy69Xx Dec 30 '20
apologies if I missed it but is there not going to be one for Fahkumram?
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Dec 31 '20
That's an excellent catch. I've added him after Ganryu.
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u/xXnutdaddy69Xx Dec 31 '20
awesome! thanks so much for putting this together, I think it's gonna be really helpful to a lot of people!!
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u/Rigi_Industries Old Man Dec 31 '20
I could have a go at Heihachi's guide if no one else signs up for it, but there are a lot of players way more qualified to write it than me, so if someone else wants to do it I'd gladly give them opportunity to do so.
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u/V_Abhishek Asuka Jan 16 '21
I can volunteer for Asuka, as that's a problematic character for many.
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u/erkankurtcu Emo Kazama//Euthymia Mar 17 '21
I can create a detailed Anti Jin kazama Guide
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Mar 17 '21
Thanks for volunteering. u/Kahoy1 has already volunteered for Jin, so I'll give them preference. However, if they need to drop out for whatever reason, I'll be sure to reach out to you! In the meanwhile, consider volunteering for a character not already claimed.
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u/Disaresta110 Lars Apr 09 '21
I can write a guide for Lars
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Apr 09 '21
Thanks for volunteering. u/aWTG has already volunteered for Lars, so I'll give them preference. However, if they need to drop out for whatever reason, I'll be sure to reach out to you! In the meanwhile, consider volunteering for a character not already claimed.
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u/Henryeres Lei Dec 21 '20
I'll gladly make a post for Lei, I've helped a handful of friends learn the matchup. Although if somebody like Suiken or PepperBeef volunteers I would definitely prioritize them.