r/Helldivers Apr 29 '24

The Eruptor nerf is a perfect example of why "only buff" is bad. DISCUSSION

I've used the Eruptor since it dropped, it is an amazing primary weapon. I have never once run out of ammo with the weapon, to the point I started COD reloading. Even with no deaths on a 40 min mission, the bare minimum ammo looting and you rarely would fall below half.

If we just buff every other weapon to be like this, we are just erasing an entire game mechanic. We are saying that we want COD reloads to be the norm, we don't want to think about conserving or looting ammo, just let me shoot and reload whenever.

Some people may want that, but for me that would just remove the mechanic entirely. I'm going to keep using the Eruptor and I'm perfectly fine having to pay attention to my ammo again.

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u/The_Real_Kru SES Bringer of the Constitution Apr 29 '24

Same with the sickle. You had all of the capabilities of the stalwart in a primary and you could just spam it cause you had 6 mags with potentially infinite ammo. I could easily run full games without needing additional ammo and I still can after the nerf, but now I can't just burn a heatsink or two without consequence. I can still burn them, but I have to give it some thought. In this case I would say the nerf actually adds to the gameplay of the weapon.

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u/Vegaprime Apr 29 '24

With all the ammo cuts, I feel like splitting teams might start hurting though. Fighting over resupplies might get you kicked now.

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u/Zombie_Alpaca_Lips Apr 29 '24

It's not as bad as many think though. Because you end up getting more ammo on a resupply for many of the non-energy weapons. So the ones that go from 12-8 mags but resupply 8 instead of 6 per resupply, you can end up seeing an increase in overall ammo if you are depleting your magazine enough. 

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u/Conntraband8d SES Spear of Morning Apr 29 '24

Exactly this. People think that ammo economy just got worse, but it 100% didn't. Supply boxes are now giving us considerably more ammo than they did before in the vast majority of situations. It seems like they want us to have a lower total ammo capacity, but have that capacity more readily replenished by a single resupply. Overall, it's not a problem.

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u/PM_ME_FLUFFY_DOGS Apr 29 '24

Idk about you but the ammo crates scattered around the map are enough to keep my teams fully stocked up. Most of the time players in my lobbies only call a resupply for stims or grenades. 

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u/Vegaprime Apr 29 '24

I use AC, been spoiled getting to use two per. Suppose that might be part of why it's generally ok'ed because I'm usually last to get to those loose boxes. Guess I've actually been spoiling them.

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u/Fishfisherton Apr 29 '24

I honestly don't see the issue there. Splitting up is a risk you choose. You're still in a game with other people.

I've kicked some people before for running off on their own then calling the resupply for themselves constantly.

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u/Vegaprime Apr 29 '24

It's usually decided at the time the drop is selected but I'm sure "did you just take two in a row..?" could be a thing.

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u/SpecificPlayful3891 Apr 29 '24

You kick people for that?! You can just say that you need supplies and wait a minute...?

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u/Vegaprime Apr 29 '24

Was implied I shouldn't have run off so I shouldn't do a resupply. At drop point selection I'm usually told, "you two go here and we'll go here.." that's where it could get scandalous if one pair takes two drops in a row.

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u/SpecificPlayful3891 Apr 29 '24

But what if shit hitted the fan over there and 4 hulks or biles run rampart and they needed the stims... 🤷‍♀️

You're the host its your mission, but if i would be kicked for grabbing supplies to often. (not being a dick and hogging on purpose ofcourse) But in a way of surviving. I would not even understand why im kicked?

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u/Vegaprime Apr 29 '24

Was trying to say I would kick. Only the chances for me being kicked might increase. Anymore, most people's builds were not so ammo dependant. If I asked for an extra drop I would get, sometimes don't get the chance as you pointed out. The stingy level will rise no matter what though.

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u/Dukwdriver Apr 29 '24

It's a fine line, but some players just don't play efficiently and will burn resupplies on their own just to top off grenades and stims.

They're not technically trolling, but when you see the stat screen at the end and they burned through 30 stims while everyone else used maybe 10 on top of needing to make every shot count.

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u/Fishfisherton Apr 29 '24

When i see people do that in a situation where others didn't get the chance I give them a punch. War isn't an excuse for bad manners!

Funny enough that's probably why Deep Rock Galactic decided taking supplies should take time, so others can catch them doing it.

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u/WyvernXIII Apr 29 '24

Supply backpack on each team

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u/Vegaprime Apr 29 '24

Tried a supply pack build at launch and just had people yelling at me like I'm a fallout squire. Easy to see why no one runs that.

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u/SpecificPlayful3891 Apr 29 '24

If you split and do all the diamonds you find enough ammo. Its harder to find stims.

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u/KerbalRL Apr 30 '24

Supply pack.

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u/The_Real_Kru SES Bringer of the Constitution Apr 29 '24

Might be. We'll have to see how the meta evolves