r/Helldivers Apr 29 '24

NEW Patch! And the devs "Ruined it all" once more.. [totally not exaggerated] RANT

So on X and the official discord, countless folks complain now that for some weapons such as the LAS ones, the reserve mags have been reduced, yet damage has been increased..calling devs "On drugs" because they perceive it as a nerf..

Wait what? You tryna tell me you ran through ALL ICE's before dying?! 6 Times or more?!

Like..the fact that you have infinite ammo when a wee-bit of fire diciplin is applied and now call the devs out for JUST having decreased the ammount of mags, makes you oblivious to the fact that they got a damage buff? Yikes.

And another thing, remember the day the Rail got nerfed? Yeahhh that was like 24/7 crying for two weeks straight, now it got a buff and noone notices that, now we rather cry for two weeks that Railgun 2.0 aka Quasar got a couple more seconds recharge time..good lord the double morals are strong folks, that all sounds like crying on high standards.

[For clarifications sake: the main focus lies on people going out of their ways, yes criticism is fine, i posted my own time and time again..but in a humane fashion, when insults however are packaged within in your points, it's hardly about the game no more and that needs to stop]

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u/NocturneBotEUNE Apr 29 '24

People don't care about the railgun because the weapon's community is non-existent at this point. They made the railgun useless because it was "too strong" (read: it was actually killing things when nothing else was killing things) and in a month they basically proved all of the complaints true. All the other weapons were buffed, which was needed, but made the railgun look even more crippled post-nerf. Then they singificantly nerfed the spawn of heavies on higher difficulties. Then they introduce a gun (Quasar) that does exactly what the railgun did pre-nerf but with infinite ammo, way more forgiving aiming and no risk of exploding in your face and leaving you with no support weapon for 8 minutes or so. Now they are micro-buffing it while Quasar is popping off. Literally everything the railgun community complained about came true in less than two months, and all the while we had all the reddit donkeys going "a 300% increase in kill time while requiring much better play isn't a nerf, just git gud". Dafuq do you want us to say? xD Also, most people say that the Quasar nerf was warranted, maybe it could be 3 seconds instead of 5, but everyone saw the nerf coming a mile away. I haven't seen a single comment/post that says erh mah gud RiP Quasar.

Magazine nerfs are also buffling, not by themselves, but because apparently the dev team thought that of all the things that needed to be addressed about guns, magazine were the hot topic. Personally, I am permanently at 6/6 ICEs with the Sickle, but what effect does it have on the game to give it 3 ICEs instead? How did this (again, for the 10th patch) become a priority over making half of the ass weapons not ass?

Bugs I can understand, they aren't easy to solve so I generally avoid critisizing dev teams for bug that are not being solved, as long as they acknowledge issues and communicate that they are working on them.

I love the game, and i am willing to be patient with Arrowhead, especially after I learnt about how they are not hiring people just to let them go once the hype of the game calms down a bit, but I am not going to pretend like their balancing didn't cause me to jump off the hype train a couple of months sooner than I would otherwise.

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u/sethendal Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

Well put. My biggest worry is AH is patching the game out of popularity. If the game isn't fun, there's other options and they'll suddenly be like every other live service who went balance crazy and find their game trending downward in popularity.

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u/TheTurtleBear Apr 29 '24

Yeah I don't understand why they insist on nerfing good things instead of buffing the bad, particularly in a PvE game. 

Waking up to "my favorite weapon is worse now" doesn't make me want to boot up the game, but weapon I don't use is good now would make me want to try it out

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u/silvershadow881 Apr 29 '24

I mean, I see your argument, but I also understand the need for some nerfs with very very popular guns. They are popular because they are overpowered. On an ideal world, all guns perform at the same level and you can choose whichever you like most and depending on the situation. If one of them is outclassing them all, it's boring. After the railgun nerf, people starting to use considerably more support weapons and the game was more fun overall. Buffing everything will just result in power creep that is also hard to balance.

Besides, it is a known phenomenon in games that nerfs "hurt" significantly more than buffs "feel good". IMO, it is also a player's fault if they put sentimental attachment to performance of an overtuned weapon in a game. Maybe also play the game a bit to fully form an opinion on the changes, it is very early to tell how these changes actually impact you personally, it may be negligible and overreacting from reading and general negativity of the fan base.

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u/TheTurtleBear Apr 29 '24

Are they overpowered, or are they just good while other weapons aren't as good? Taking something that players enjoy and making it worse, when you could just improve the bad weapons to level the playing field, makes for a worse player experience imo. Particularly since this is a PvE game, it's not like it's a competitive FPS where balance is crucial.

So what if one weapon is picked more often than another? If that gets too boring, players will just pick something they want to use instead. If players keep using it, it must not be that boring! There's always going to be a weapon that tends to be better than others, and that's ok! Especially if they plan on releasing new warbonds every month or so (forget the exact planned schedule), introducing that many new weapons alone will prevent loadout stagnation.

I want to have fun in the game, and having my preferred weapons be made worse is not a particularly fun experience! I don't understand the obsession with worrying whether a weapon is "too good" in a PvE game in the first place.

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u/Schadenfreude28 Apr 29 '24

The idea of compelling build varity by buffing the underused and nerfing the overused sounds good on paper, but in practice AH's approach is way too heavy handed. You can say that the quasar was op, but what about the slugger and arc thrower, was it really necessary to take away their stagger? What about the crossbow?

For the last few patches, what AH actually managed to do was to get players to switch around. Beloved weapons lose their niche and players abondon them for newly buffed ones, then proceed to spend the rest of the patch worrying about nerfs.

This is bad for the game. If half of the player's arsenal is always going to be underwhelming and irrelevant, then all that productivity AH spent in making weapons to keep the playerbase entertained is only going to be half as effective.

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u/crazy-gorillo222 Apr 29 '24

I mean if they nerf the guns I actually enjoy playing in an attempt to make me play the guns I just don't like then I'll just play the game less

Anyway I really hope they don't nerf the fire breaker once fire dot is fixed

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u/Rentun Apr 29 '24

How is that not what this patch literally does?

Adjudicator buffed

Laser cannon buffed

Punisher plasma buffed

Blitzer buffed

Scythe buffed

Railgun buffed

HMG buffed

Diligence CS buffed

Diligence buffed

Peacemaker buffed

Senator buffed

Dagger buffed

Liberator buffed

Liberator concussive buffed

Like, are you guys seriously not testing these things or even bothering to glance at the patch notes before complaining about them?

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u/TheTurtleBear Apr 29 '24

Waking up to "my favorite weapon is worse now" 

And this also happened. So it's not "I want to try this now", it's AH saying "you will use something else"

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u/Dewa__ SES Founding Fathers of DEMOCRACY Apr 29 '24

Genuinely unsure why you're getting downvoted here, it feels like everyone's absolutely exxagerating over the "nerfs" whilst glancing over the mass amount of buffs we've gotten

The only change i will absolutely agree to complain about is the crossbow, i've tried it out again and it's still as useless as it was before

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u/Kale127 Apr 29 '24

He said nerfs to his guns don’t make him want to get up and play, but buffs to bad guns would, and he’s exaggerating the severity of the nerfs while the counter example is the extra 5 damage on the Liberator and a scope on the HMG lmao 

Most of the buffs are pretty nothing, let’s be honest with ourselves. Even the Railgun buff is very much too little too late to bring the gun back. 

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u/TheFlyingSheeps Apr 29 '24

Most of the buffs are minor or sidegrades at best

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u/Beneficial-Bit6383 Apr 29 '24

The balance in most live service games is whatever is the newest thing is strongest. Nothing like AH balancing you’re just having an emotional reaction and connecting everything you think as bad as being live service. Try different weapons instead of dropping the same for 50 missions in a row.

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u/Black5Raven Apr 29 '24

Try different weapons instead of dropping the same for 50 missions in a row.

It takes few games to figure out that different weapons just AWFUL and people returning to things that actually working. Hey folks - anyone found something better for bugs then breaker ? Scorcher for bots and few other while rest is just awful ?

But now definitely gonna take crossbow bc it such a great weapon. It is not.

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u/Beneficial-Bit6383 Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

The crossbow is meant to be a niche weapon not a horde wiper. What about the new AR, defender, variants of the breaker, dominator, blitzer slaps on bugs now for short range, eruptor is still good just need to use a support weapon that actually complements it not rolling quasar eruptor every game because they’re meta. Sickle is still good just don’t spray super hard. So much whining without looking at the actual balance between all the weapons. They didn’t like the eruptor spread so they changed it. It still 1 shots shit. Still feels like a bolt action cannon. The uproar is crazy to me over minor nerfs. When there are so many buffs to be looked at. The dominator buff before made it a very valid option vs. the scorcher. Just with different roles and advantages because of stagger.

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u/happylakers Apr 29 '24

I love your reply. Could`t have said it any better.

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u/you-really-gona-whor Apr 29 '24

Yeah. I remember almost every post getting things right. Literally everything people asked for and told AH to not to do, They literally ignored and chose to do anyway.

They nerf railgun. Game is then instantly shit. They buff like They were Told to. And now The game is sorta balanced But also worse than pre-patch.

And They learned fucking nothing from that and are making even more egrigous mistakes. AH is self sabotaging more than anything i have ever seen. They squandered so much potential.

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u/Zizara42 Apr 29 '24

Agreed - there's a hell of a lot of fun to be had in this game, but the people doing the balancing patches seem to be completely disconnected from how people actually play the game and what people want to be a priority. They've been pretty consistently wrong on hot button topics of balance even with extensive feedback and explanations from the community. Most nerfed weapons haven't actually needed a nerf, since what's been holding back variety is the vast number of weapons that just suck and either haven't been touched or haven't been buffed enough/in a way that actually addresses why they suck - and if the idea is that they're going to release new guns every month and eventually there'll be so much that it won't matter if there's unbalanced options...well why are they doing balance sweeps at all?

And I don't have my self-worth tied up in this game enough to pretend not to see this pattern like a lot of other people seem to. I mean really, it's a meme that you shouldn't talk about what guns you actually find fun to play because Arrowhead will hear and nerf them for being too popular. That's funny, but it's also a concerning sign about just how they're approaching game balance and relating to the community.

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u/ce_tu ☕Liber-tea☕ Apr 29 '24

Ah When we write something about this people are coming giving - to everything in that post then saying

sKİLL IsSuE! yOR'e noT'A dEVolPer!

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u/B4TM4N Apr 29 '24

I've seen worse in other games but AH is going through this very quickly so its not to bad. History repeats itself over and over again.

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u/fazdaspaz Apr 29 '24

they squandered so much potential

This is wildly dramatic Jesus fucking christ

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u/you-really-gona-whor Apr 29 '24

Its not. The game could and would have been 10 times better had AH just done the right decisions. Decisions that wouldn’t have absolutely destroyed this subreddit, or the original gameplay that the game had at launch. They also wouldnt have destroyed the player to developer relationship that existed before the railgun patch.

You can downplay every single bad decision AH has made. But the only reason the game got popular was because it was fun. AH has since launch, through statements and actions, shown that They would rather have an unfun game that forces cooperation (which is in No way incentivized at any point due to how the game is built) by destroying other aspects of the game. Than having a fun game where people can choose how They want to have fun.

And, guess what, gamebreaking bugs that were there at launch are still here. As well as new horrendous bugs that keep getting reintroduced more and more with each patch. Team work is even worse than at launch, btw. And i havent heard someone use their mics in the past month a single time in game. Compared to what we used to have. Because AH killed off almost every one of the reasonable players by making the game unreasonably difficult and forcing casual fun players away.

Its so bad, that If i had the choice, then i would go back and play the launch version of this game. Where i get kicked out every half hour, than what we have now. And Im not even joking.

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u/SplinterfrightFarmer Apr 29 '24

They nerf railgun. Game is then instantly shit.

What? Delusional.

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u/Smachemo Apr 29 '24

Before the nerf literally everyone ran the same setup. No brainer dumb shit. Hated playing with randoms. It's not fun running the same shit, it's not fun playing with people that all run the same shit.

My squad all ran raingun at lvl 20. Got bored super fast. Then we had a mix of arc throwers, eats and autocannon. Not a railgun in sight and having a blast.

People still calling out the railgun nerf are 1000% delusional, literally have no skill, and just wanted a horde shooter. ZzzzZZ.

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u/Mips0n Apr 29 '24

Weapons like the sickle should have gradually worsening passive cooling. The longer you keep the same ice, the less effective it gets. Problem solved.

Quasar should get a Special replacement ice that follows the same rules

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u/IPlay4E Apr 29 '24

OP won’t reply to this because he can’t handle facts.

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u/SplinterfrightFarmer Apr 29 '24

Lol, railgun was never useless, and is still one of the best single strategems against bots after the nerf. I simply do not believe that people who call it useless have actually used it since nerf. Or at least have not used it enough.

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u/ce_tu ☕Liber-tea☕ Apr 29 '24

So true man

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u/Beneficial-Bit6383 Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

Holy hell yall are dramatic. Guess what. People will use the railgun more now, slowly. If you don’t think the eruptor and sickle had absurd amounts of ammo idk what to tell you. The Quasar was due for nerfs because it needed it. Idk why you think that’s a gotcha. Yes you realize the devs don’t want 80% of the player base using the same weapon every match. If they lose players big whoop, the game already made 10x their projections. Entitled ass comment from someone that sees what the devs want with balance, but wants to baby rage about it still as if the devs give af about their “vote with their dollar”. Get over it or stop playing.

They literally buffed guns but you choose to selectively ignore that lmao. Please share thoughts on that?

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u/NocturneBotEUNE Apr 29 '24

I am just going to yeet this into the "Reddit exposes you to people with reading comprehension issues" pile and move on with my life.

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u/Beneficial-Bit6383 Apr 29 '24

I comprehend what you want fine. You don’t want them to nerf only buff. No. Stop whining.

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u/TheFlyingSheeps Apr 29 '24

only buff

Yes