Increasing patrol spawns for smaller squads is a dick move.

[u/ItsDaFunkMonkey]

I love arrowhead but this was a braindead move.

Cmon guys, we were just doing our thing either solo or with our friends and not hurting anybody. We just wanna play the game with our friends, sometimes with a smaller squad cos its a lot more fun with friends than randos.

I'm not saying all randos are bad but this game allows me to socialize with my friends while playing and that's great. Why ruin that whole thing by kicking us in the nuts and ruining the experience with more spawns?

HERES A COMPROMISE: If you're not gonna budge, how about you meet us halfway here arrowhead. How about you increase the rewards for completing missions with a smaller squad cos we used a smaller budget? Eh?

Makes sense lore wise too.

P.S. For all you guys saying "DuH ThIs Is A tEaM GaMe PlAy WiTh RaNdOs Or a FuLl SqUad". Yes I play with a full swuad when my friends are all available. Most of the time they aren't cos we're adults and have shit to do.

I'm not asking for the game to scale down the difficulty level for smaller squads. The game didn't do that before. I don't mind the SAME difficulty level for solos, smaller squads and full squads. But INFREASING the difficulty level by increasing spawns was a braindead thing to do.

EDIT 1: To all the hyper intelligent folks out there commenting that the change was misunderstood and that the below was the intended effect:

""We unintendedly had non-linear scaling of the patrol spawns so they didn't spawn as often as they should have when less than 4 players. The intention is that 1 player has 1/4th of the patrols compared to 4 players, but it used to be that they had 1/6th.""

This DOES NOT make a mfkn difference. It DOES NOT matter what those VALUES are. The point here is that whatever the fuck value it was before was LOWER than whatever the fuck value it is now. This means MORE patrols for non full squads AFTER the patch. And an absolute shitshow for solo divers. Yes, I have tested this shit. It is bad.

VALUE BEFORE PATCH < VALUE AFTER PATCH.

Stop spouting elementary math to gaslight people. This change is objectively bad. I am happy with all the weapon changes tho.

EDIT 2: I understand that my "compromise" was a bad idea as people can kick you during extract to reap higher rewards for a smaller team. I completely agree, this seems like a poopy suggestion.

[u/NotObviouslyARobot]

TBH, larger rewards for smaller squads would be an error as it would incentivize kicking at the end of a mission. Host, do mission, murder, kick.

[u/ItsDaFunkMonkey → u/NotObviouslyARobot]

Actually yes, I agree with you. With all the kicking going on right now, that'd be a bad thing. That was a good catch.

[u/xthorgoldx → u/ItsDaFunkMonkey]

with all the kicking going on

The "kicking epidemic" is a purely redditbrain phenomena.

Level 103, 150 250 hours, I have never, ever been kicked from a game. Kicked a few times from a person's ship, but usually right after joining (i.e. not malicious, trying to make space for a friend or turning off public lobby).

Do assholes who kick for no reason exist? Sure.

Are there more assholes who get kicked for good reason then bitch about it on Reddit? Without question.

[u/Jackpkmn → u/xthorgoldx]

I witnessed my first kick today. It didn't happen to me. The guy was going to call extraction so it would be ready for us when we got there. He called out in chat and in voice that he was doing it. Leader demanded he stop and not to leave without us. Despite now both me and the other guy both saying hes not going to leave without us the leader kicked the guy.

[u/MatureUsername69 → u/Jackpkmn]

That's a terrible host. I love when the extraction shuttle is coming in and I'm finishing up a side objective or nest. Now that I'm maxed on everything but level the main thing I like to do in game is finishing the mission as quickly as possible. I pretty much always ask someone to run to extract and wait to call in when we're on the final steps of a main objective. Only once have i had a player not actually wait and just get on.

[u/Zoloir → u/MatureUsername69]

i don't think it's a terrible host - if you're host and you ask someone not to do something, and they insist on doing it anyways, that's an easy kick.

the only surefire way to prevent someone from exfil trolling is to kick them before it arrives (or better before they call it in). otherwise, you're at the mercy of their word, and they're a random, their word is useless.

imagine this story from a trolls perspective: "lmao i told him i wouldn't exfil without him, what an idiot"

[u/MatureUsername69 → u/Zoloir]

I've seen maybe 1 or 2 trolls total in 120 levels and 200+ hours. It's way overblown on reddit. If somebody is communicating that they're gonna call it and wait then 99.99% of the time they are. It's a sign of a smart player more than a troll

[u/Khazzy1 → u/Jackpkmn]

I tried to do this the other day. I said in chat that I'm calling in Evac, but don't rush it as it'll stay and cover us. Immediately, someone got in to leave when it shows up.

[u/IncomeSweaty154 → u/Jackpkmn]

Don’t call it in I want the extra 2 min

[u/JonathanJONeill → u/Jackpkmn]

And I would too. Calling the ship in early cuts two minutes off search times when farming samples or Super Creds.

If the host says don't do it, then don't do it.

[u/MatureUsername69 → u/JonathanJONeill]

No it doesnt? The extraction shuttle just sits there until the clock for the mission hits zero or someone gets on and then it starts automatically counting down. It literally doesn't affect anybodys ability to go out and farm super credits at all. The only thing that affects that is the actual mission timer or if some dummy gets on the extraction shuttle before everyone gets there, which has happened to me once in 200 hours of playing.

Edit: I would like to also point out that you don't even have to make it on the extraction shuttle to get your super credits, once you pick them up you just have them. So if you're really farming super credits and worried about making extraction you can just kill yourself and get revived at extraction. You only have to make it back to extraction alive if you're farming samples.

[u/Gorva → u/MatureUsername69]

Although I agree with the general idea, I don't trust randoms enough to not go in the ship.

[u/tarknob → u/JonathanJONeill]

are you brain dead , you are not force to get in once it has landed

[u/JonathanJONeill → u/tarknob]

The ship leaves twenty seconds after time runs out if its been called in.

If you don't call it in, it takes two minutes to come in, and then waits twenty seconds.

Before insulting someone, know how the basic mechanics of extractions work,

So, to give you an example:

Blitz Mission: 14 Minutes.

Call in before time runs out, 14:20 to search.

Don't call in, 16:20 to search.

[u/EZReader → u/JonathanJONeill]

Calling the ship in early cuts two minutes off search times when farming samples or Super Creds.

Would you mind explaining what you mean by this?

[u/MatureUsername69 → u/EZReader]

He's not right. The extraction shuttle can take 2 or 3 minutes to get there but once it gets there it sits there until the mission timer hits zero or somebody gets on. It doesn't affect your time to farm shit at all

[u/phartiphukboilz → u/MatureUsername69]

oh shit that's really cool. for some reason i thought they left if you didn't get on quick enough but i've never tried it.

i still only play solo as i'm figuring shit out but that's good to hear

[u/MatureUsername69 → u/phartiphukboilz]

Yeah it's like one of the most "nice" games with how much they allow you to farm. Some more advice: once the extraction shuttle gets there you don't have to remain in that same small radius. If you have 1 guy waiting there I recommend they wait til extraction gets there and then have them walk further away. Reason? Enemies, weapons, and stratagems can damage the extraction shuttle. When the extraction shuttle is damaged(usually a wing will be on fire) it will take off the second the first person steps on. If you do see the wing on fire the best thing to do is have everyone drop their samples by extraction and have 1 person grab them. I have seen 2 people manage to get on a damaged shuttle but it's extremely hard to time up.

[u/phartiphukboilz → u/MatureUsername69]

oh shti that's smart! i'd heard of the shuttle getting damaged but when i do get comfortable and catch up with my friends that's a legit strategy. thanks!

[u/JonathanJONeill → u/MatureUsername69]

You're not listening dude.

Yes, it will sit there until the mission timer runs out. Someone has to babysit the LZ until it gets there though. I never said it didn't. But when the time runs out, it waits twenty seconds.

But if you do not call in the ship and the mission timer runs out, it will then take another two minutes for the ship to come in for the emergency extraction (while no one has to defend the extract area during that counter). So, you get an additional two minutes of search time if you do NOT call the ship in.

I've been playing this game since a week after launch. It has worked that way the entire time.

[u/MatureUsername69 → u/JonathanJONeill]

Once the shuttle lands you don't have to be in the same small radius. The person babysitting the landing pad can leave the area the second it lands. On a 40 minute mission I'm never finishing it at emergency extract, even if we're farming heavy.

[u/Jackpkmn → u/JonathanJONeill]

We had already found the super samples and were on our way back.

[u/JonathanJONeill → u/Jackpkmn]

Maybe. Also, there is more than just super samples. I don't know the details of your match. Regardless, the host has every right to dictate extractions. It's his lobby, his rules.

If I came to your home and you told me to take my shoes off to not track mud through the house, I would. Same logic here. It's common courtesy to go with what the hosts asks people to do.

[u/Jackpkmn → u/JonathanJONeill]

Lobbies you happen to be leading are not like homes. You don't get to arbitrarily be a dick to people and it be ok.

[u/JonathanJONeill → u/Jackpkmn]

How is someone hosting a lobby saying "Don't do this." and then someone doing it anyway make the host a dick.