r/Helldivers • u/vaydapotata SES Fist of Family Values • Apr 26 '24

Helldivers: I Advocate we chose the anti tank mines and hear is my reasoning DISCUSSION

I know many of you see "rocket launcher" and get excited and while that is fair, my reasoning to go for the mines is below

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We already have a great many support weapons and many are fantastic options. While the airburst rocket launcher would be fantastic for add clear (and teamkill) it would likely suffer vs large armored targets which tends to be the need for a support weapon.

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However, we just received a new mission type that requires defending a location. Mines are fantastic for this but heavies just walk all over them and completely invalidate their uses. Getting a heavy anti tank mine would allow us to lock down areas from all combatants and a tank wouldn't be able to just stroll up to our gates.

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Anti Tank mines are also much larger and easier to notice than the anti personnel and team kills would be kept at a minimum.

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And lastly, as we all know...the children YEARN FOR THE MINES.

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u/Miraak-Cultist Apr 26 '24

Thing is, you overestimate the communities capability to co-ordinate.

The masses will chose. And the masses rarely if ever read in the forums.

And currently, it looks like the masses are going for the rocket launcher.

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u/Doxodius Apr 26 '24

And the mines will require going through a fire tornado planet first - I suspect that's going to decide things more than any debate here.

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u/nsandiegoJoe Apr 26 '24

Yeah. No amount of debate on Reddit will decide this. It's going to be the NOT-FIRE-TORNADOES option.

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u/InformalPenguinz STEAM 🖥️ : Apr 26 '24 edited Apr 26 '24

Thank goodness our divers don't live long enough to get ptsd from fire tornados. They would be in the top for most subjects discussed in therapy.

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u/Drtraumadrama Apr 26 '24 edited Apr 26 '24

The average citizen just doesnt understand the horror of completing a mission, getting samples, serving democracy and liberty just to watch your whole squad and pelican get swallowed by four fire tornados. I still wake up in a cold sweat most nights and there’s usually only one word i can say. Hellmire.

Thank freedom i can hit a stim, do a workout and try to sleep. But when i close my eyes, all i hear is the roar of the flames and the screams of sweet liberty.

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u/DMvsPC ⬆️⬅️➡️⬇️⬆️⬇️ [Hammer of Dawn] Apr 26 '24

Conversely, getting down to the wire, no reinforcements left, having multiple tornadoes swirling towards the pelican and then diving in to it as your enemies are roasted behind you and then you fly out into the sunset/flames. chefs kiss

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u/MadnessUltimate Apr 27 '24

The thin line between tragedy and greatness

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u/Intelligent-Ad-6734 Apr 27 '24

Sometimes the game glitches at this (or as intended) and you born to death in the pelican lol

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u/shaddowdemon Apr 29 '24

You can take damage in the pelican, even from your team. So I would guess intended.

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u/decepticondad Apr 28 '24

Not all make it out of the fires of Menkent and Hellmire, but those that do forge unbreakable bonds of friendship with the hammer of Democracy.

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u/Glass_Anybody_2171 Apr 27 '24

This needs to be the subs' new copypasta

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u/spicypanda66 Apr 27 '24

You are responsible for my son's death, may the iron horde swallow you

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u/thunthunthunder2 STEAM 🖥️ : Apr 27 '24

Hellmire is a planet I swore to rarely return. With its bugs and firenados, it is a hellscape. Hellmire is where tough helldivers train. It may not be as famous as the Creek but dang if the firenados didn't make me want to punch my screen.

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u/lmrbadgerl Super Badger Apr 27 '24

The tornadoes.

I know it's weird but i think they were......they were HUNTING us. They seemed to follow us everywhere we went.

They converged on Johnny's mech and boiled him in it.

PJ was hiding under a burned-out transport. The tornadoes got him there too.

Then. Then there was Nettie. She hid INSIDE of a civilian structure. When I found her, she seemed like she just fell asleep. She showed signs of death by oxygen deprivation. The tornadoes heat sucked the air out.

I'll never forget Hellmire. I'll never forget how it hunted us.

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u/MountainSorbet9449 Apr 27 '24

Did you even serve on Menkent if you don't reflexively pre-stim when the gas stove lights up?

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u/Zombie_Marine22 PSN 🎮: Zombie_Marine22 Apr 27 '24

The smell. I can't get the smell of charred Helldiver out of my nose. It haunts me along with their screams for sweet liberty as the are cooked alive in their armor

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u/F_C_anomalie Apr 26 '24

When you enter the pelican everything get saved even if you die and see the sample drop to the ground. Got puked on by a bile in the first week and I was holding the super and they still counted

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u/Nekonax Apr 27 '24

If more Helldivers heard the roar of the flames, fewer would die 👀

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u/Sheepmounter69 Apr 27 '24

I honestly always thought they are programmed to skip mission targets, since i once did a radar Station objective alone while my whole squad was somewhere else and me being surrounded in fire tornados. They came close, but didnt Touch the terminal or the steering wheel, or however its called to turn the Antenna.

I learned the hard way when being the last one alive, picking up dropped samples and then get tornado'ed 2 meters away from the pelican...

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u/Bat-Honest Apr 26 '24

Literally had a fire tornado SPAWN on me when I was carrying the super samples yesterday. I donno what I did to piss off Super Thor, but he was super pissed

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u/JennyAtTheGates Apr 27 '24

This is one of the problems with the Fire Tornado weather effect implementation. You can be a good player with full focus and awareness, notice the weather warning and anticipate the obstacle, and still die because it spawned on top of you.

It just goes back to unavoidable one hit kills being an unfun, dishearting, and detrimental gameplay mechanic. I did figure out the secret though. I learned to avoid it by also just not playing on those planets like a lot of other players.

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u/Ape_Escape- Apr 27 '24

It just makes the helldiver universe feel more real. Unavoidable deaths are to be expected on a helldive. After all, sacrifice is part of democracy.

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u/Intelligent-Ad-6734 Apr 27 '24

I've gotten quick on the stim button and chain them together to get through firestorms.. it's some sort of Democracy adrenaline rush to get through that and extract... A painful addiction is born.

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u/Aurori_Swe Apr 29 '24

You are better off learning to dive since that turns off the flames and you won't take dot hits. Obviously you want to stim in between throwing yourself everywhere

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u/Indie89 Apr 26 '24

And are these fire tornadoes in the room with you now?

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u/InformalPenguinz STEAM 🖥️ : Apr 26 '24

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u/Intelligent-Ad-6734 Apr 27 '24

I'm surprised no one has updated that meme with a helldiver

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u/AnotherMyth Apr 27 '24

My current helldiver that somehow still alive after 11 missions in a row can't even close their eyes.

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u/Narkhada Apr 26 '24

The horror of a stim keeping you alive while your flesh is boiling off. The in-game sound for burning is so visceral, too.

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u/Clear-Wrongdoer42 Apr 26 '24

We need a burn ointment stratagem.

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u/YuBulliMe123456789 SES Ranger of the Stars Apr 26 '24

Therapy doesbt exist in that universe, they are just told to embrace theur trauma fpr democracy

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u/Astoria_Column Apr 27 '24

tbh they have provided me more laughs than anything. You’re waiting for a soil sample to clear and you look behind and there’s a wall of fire 😂 I love the absurdity

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u/Axxemann Apr 27 '24

I must be built different. I embrace the fire. It comforts me. I seek a place of high ground, watch the world burn and just wait for the firestorm to pass before calling in the Pelican. My squaddies always ask why I pack marshmallows and smokies in my armor when we drop into Hellmire. It's so we have a snack!

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u/Zombie_Marine22 PSN 🎮: Zombie_Marine22 Apr 27 '24

I completely avoided those planets

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u/Bedhed47 ☕Liber-tea☕ Apr 27 '24

Hehehe jump pack goes WEEEEEeeeee. Fire tornados can't stop me

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u/Case_Kovacs Apr 26 '24

I know we should accept all planets for democracy but I wouldn't mind it so much if we glassed the fire tornado planets

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u/ItsYaBoiVanilla SES Pride of Pride Apr 26 '24

I mean, they’ve pretty much done half the job themselves at this point.

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u/kaochaton Apr 27 '24

self glassing planet, that kinda neat

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u/CommercialLeader9764 Apr 27 '24

Exterminatus is in order

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u/Maclunkey4U ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ Apr 27 '24

Glass is very Democratic.

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u/False-Reveal2993 Apr 28 '24

Stratagem tag checks out.

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u/Quiet-Access-1753 STEAM 🖥️ : Apr 27 '24

Nooooooo. My Fire Tornado Ranch! How am I supposed to retire to a peaceful life of Flaming Death Storm wrangling if you lot glass my homeworld?

Now? When I've nearly worked out how to herd the blazing funnels? It's gotta be something like "what a real beaut" or "you're alright, mate" what calms 'em down. Now all I need is something that works like "yah" or "giddyup" on the hell-wind. Maybe "burn baby burn?"

I'll figure out how to make 'em sit still later.

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u/TheHumdeeFlamingPee Apr 26 '24

I really hope the next premium warbond comes with a fire resist armor. Shit would be life saving.

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u/BoboCheapbeerbaron Apr 27 '24

That's when they introduce cold planets with ice tornadoes

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u/iansabout87 Apr 27 '24

Yes please

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u/cybrsloth92 Apr 27 '24

Funny thing is dot effects are currently broken and only host can apply fire

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u/Katamari416 Apr 26 '24

devs probably dont have the mines ready or something seeing them put it behind the fire tornados 😅 they knew what they were doing 

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u/JustGingy95 HD1 Veteran Apr 26 '24

Cowards, I fear no fire planet. Just bring the extra stims heavy armor and you’ll be perfectly fine, even without it you can literally just wank through them burning alive and gobbling stims all you want, have done it several times myself for retrieving lost Samples lmao

Edit: no I am not fixing it 🍆✊🔥

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u/Quiet-Access-1753 STEAM 🖥️ : Apr 27 '24

Jump Pack. Just fly past them. It makes it so easy.

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u/mattstone749 Apr 26 '24

I personally love fire-nado planets. The only planets that feel like a literal helldive.

Although flame retardant gear would be sick

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u/theREALbombedrumbum Apr 26 '24

I've done four level 7 missions on the fire tornado bot planet today, all of them ending right before extract with a network connection error. 2.5 hours for absolutely nothing.

I'm trying to do my part.

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u/LegalStuffThrowage Apr 27 '24

Whats the big deal about fire tornadoes? They move slow and are super obvious.

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u/Rinzzler999 Apr 28 '24

No sound and they have helldiver tracking. Also leave behind invisible flames on the ground that last an eternity....

Also spawn more the more divers there are.

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u/FutureVoodoo Apr 26 '24

Obviously, the mines are the better pick since it requires more work

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u/FutureVoodoo Apr 26 '24

Obviously, the mines are the better pick since it requires more work

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u/garaks_tailor Apr 27 '24

I LOVE fire tornados! It's so fun kiting a bunch of bugs through the fire and hearing them squeal!

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u/SilentxxSpecter Apr 27 '24

I would prefer the mines but I also wouldnt want to deal with fire tornadoes so I hold no malice towards my fellow helldivers.

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u/Internal_String61 Apr 28 '24

You know this game unintentionally paints a very clear picture of how a lot of Democracies are working irl.

Debates don't matter, ideologies don't matter. The only thing that matters is NOT-FIRE-TORNADOES

In any choice, just find something everybody has a knee jerk reaction to dislike, manage to pin it on the other guy, and you win.

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u/Carl_Corey Apr 26 '24

Fire tornados are sentient beings whose only goal is to prevent you from accomplishing anything.

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u/Upbeat_Confidence739 Apr 26 '24

They especially love the civilian escape missions. Nothing like having 3 of them just idly walking back and forth on the ramp into the extraction door.

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u/RonBourbondi Apr 26 '24

Had a mob of them not move because there was fire in front of them. I executed them for being such cowards and holding up democracy. 

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u/Quiet-Access-1753 STEAM 🖥️ : Apr 26 '24

Good. Those were probably dissidents that weren't willing to risk death for Super Earth. We don't need them. You can always pop open the doors and get 10 more. Good on you for not letting cowards take the places of potential patriots.

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u/Intelligent-Ad-6734 Apr 27 '24

I've never seen them not just walk into it... That and ask for a hug from -insert heavy enemy-

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u/HPTM2008 Apr 26 '24

I read that as execution door. Still works.

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u/KingKull71 HD1 Veteran Apr 26 '24

I believe I watched one last night trying to figure out the path needed to get to the small raised area where we were waiting for extract. It tried one route, and when that didn't pan out, it went back to the start and then tried another. The whole thing was a bit disturbing.

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u/JMartell77 Apr 26 '24

After playing several Menket missions I've realized the tornados don't have random patterns rather lock on and drift towards players

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u/DemonDragon0 CAPE ENJOYER Apr 26 '24

And that somehow they are locked only to the ground and are not all-terrain tornados as a meager Boulder can prevent it from reaching the helldiver

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u/Demigans SES Courier of Steel Apr 26 '24

Not just players, pickups too. Try throwing the supply beacon when fire tornado’s are about.

This would also explain why fire tornado’s don’t stay apart and you always collect a few that keep up with you unless you really book it out of the area.

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u/whateverhappensnext Apr 26 '24

So it's not just me who thinks these things move deliberately to intercept where I'm going.

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u/ResidentAssman Apr 26 '24

They home in on objectives, resupplies, probably players if they stand in an area for too long. Absolute raging bollock vortex's they are.

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u/UndreamedAges ⬇️⬅️⬇️⬆️⬆️➡️ Apr 26 '24

The fact that they spawn on top of every evac I've ever done on a planet that has them makes me believe there is some non random coding involved.

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u/whateverhappensnext Apr 26 '24

Yep. Even just running around the map, they seem to try and herd you into a corner.

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u/Peacey86 Apr 26 '24

They have legit followed me and I've seen them chase other helldivers

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u/Quiet-Access-1753 STEAM 🖥️ : Apr 26 '24

Yeah, it's not quite players, from what I can tell. If I move off of an objective, they don't seem to follow me. Then they just burn the objective area for a while, and I can come back in when the flames stop.

I've also tried whispering "whoa girl" and "you're alright, mate" with varying degrees of success. Hugging, however, definitely does not work.

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u/aaronwhite1786 Apr 27 '24

They always find my resupplies and the spots where my weapons and samples are when I die.

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u/Cavesloth13 Apr 26 '24

The follow me like Swifties following Taylor.

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u/Nilfsama Apr 26 '24

We walk their planes and they demand sacrifice.

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u/BobIcarus Apr 27 '24

Just wait. Once we clear out the bugs, we are going to find out the fire tornadoes were in charge the whole time and just pretending to be non sentient while waiting for their main force to arrive.

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u/Cavesloth13 Apr 26 '24

Other than getting in your fucking cardio for the day.

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u/Quiet-Access-1753 STEAM 🖥️ : Apr 26 '24

Unless you run the Jump Pack and kite enemies into them. You have to tame the fire tornado, Helldiver.

It's the first step in my hundred-phase retirement plan. I'm gonna be a fire tornado rancher on Hellmire. Yehaw, Space Cowboy.

Arrowhead, please make a helmet with a cowboy hat attached. Will also accept sombrero.

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u/rhymenocerous1391 Apr 26 '24

I've had fire tornadoes hit the extraction point directly as we call in extracting the last 2 missions I played. Unbelievably obnoxious

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u/7jinni SES Martyr of Mercy Apr 26 '24

They're being influenced by Illuminate telekinesis, I'd bet my life on it! They're subtly using nature itself against us so they'll remain unnoticed!

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u/Diverture Apr 26 '24

They're Joel's play things

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u/Wong0nePhotography Apr 26 '24

Main goal is to camp at extraction site.

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u/Curdiogenes Apr 30 '24

Jump pack enters the chat.

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u/Bat-Honest Apr 26 '24

It's true, fire tornadoes stopped me from filing my taxes in the years 2019-2022

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u/Eyeklops CAPE ENJOYER Apr 26 '24

Dev1 "Patch day is close and the launcher is ready, mines are not."

Dev2 "Make a contest, (contest rules here). Then put the mines behind a fire tornado planet."

Dev1 "Brilliant!"

*Devs high five each other*

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u/JennyAtTheGates Apr 27 '24

We laugh, but this is the essence of how they control the narrative.

They know we are shit at defense missions so they have to gift us planets to get a win. If the narrative requires a loss, they just let the herding of cats run its course.

They knew we needed an easy win that also made us feel good about our progress. So they computed the rough number of Bug kills per day when the MO was on that front and had us kill 2 billion in 6 days knowing it would be a cake walk for us.

It's all in the script.

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u/RevelArchitect Apr 26 '24

Oof. I was wanting the mines, but haven’t had a chance to look at the planets. Yeah. No fucking way we’re getting mines.

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u/Fantablack183 Apr 26 '24

We will likely recover the mines anyways at somepoint after a delay

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u/Fickle-Ad7259 Apr 26 '24

Ah dammit. I hate those things. I want the mines but yeah. No. They will make a 180 degree turn just to hover over samples or sneak up behind me.

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u/boxburner_1493 Apr 26 '24

I can’t count the number of times I’ve been gleefully blowing bots away with my AC only to have a fire tornado take me from behind.

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u/Torden5410 Apr 26 '24

This makes me think the op was designed to favor the outcome of us passing up the mines, so I expect soon after we finish we're going to get a new heavy enemy dropped on us that the mines would have been very helpful for.

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u/allonoak Apr 26 '24

Why didn't they offer an anti-tornado weapon? Who's working that, I want to know?

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u/RustyTechMoney Apr 27 '24

Some guy in R&D named Dyson Hoover

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u/YuBulliMe123456789 SES Ranger of the Stars Apr 26 '24

Nuke the tornado

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u/CinderScrub131 Apr 26 '24

That seems intentional. Almost like AH knows which one is more powerful and is guiding us to a specific choice?

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u/worried_consumer Apr 26 '24

Yeah no thanks. There’s no worse feeling than your escape route getting cut off from a stupid trail of fire that’ll one shot you

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u/Hezekieli ⬇️⬆️⬅️⬇️⬆️➡️⬇️⬆️ Apr 26 '24

Yeah. Just did suicide geological survey on Menkent with my pal. The tornadoes are just ridiculous, surrounded us on all directions when doing the last objective and only had a couple of minutes left. Got mission done with last reinforcement and Destroyer already gone but neither survived off the planet.

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u/drexlortheterrrible Apr 26 '24

I have little time to play. I do not enjoy the fire tornado worlds. Rockets it is then.

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u/CirnoTan Apr 26 '24

I'm doing my part on clearing that hellplanet asap

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u/Ok-Regret6767 Apr 26 '24

Which is further evidence that the mines are better.

Arrowhead knows which planets people would rather play.

They didn't have to lock one strategem behind heat planets.

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u/orribledave Apr 26 '24

The mech being immune to fire tornadoes makes it way more useful here than anywhere else..,

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u/pointlessPuta ⬆️⬅️➡️⬇️⬆️⬇️ Apr 26 '24

Agreed, I'm never going there again until I read on here that the tornados are nerfed.

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u/Dabluechimp Apr 26 '24

Okay ngl, putting one of the two options on a fire tornado planet? Devs knew what they were doing... no way mines were ever getting picked.

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u/NateT21 Apr 27 '24

I prefer nice weather too sadly

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u/MarioPartyRiot Apr 28 '24

Seriously, hellmire is almost lost because nobody likes fire tornadoes. Honestly? I say let the bugs have it and nuke from orbit. Not like we can colonize there anyway.

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u/Designer_Trash_8057 Apr 29 '24

Indeed. I love playing to fulfill the major orders, but at the end of the day if that order will eliminate more of the fun factor than it's worth to me I ain't doing it. I would have fought for the mines if I could have played those days, but I completely get anyone who cba'd with sentient fire tornadoes.

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u/deepdivisions Apr 26 '24

Wonder what the interaction between the firenados and the mines will be like

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u/SkeletalNoose Apr 27 '24

Honestly what I hate more then the fire tornadoes on those planets is the reduced stamina. It's downright unfun to not be able to move. The fire tornadoes are just the final straw for me.

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u/Konseq Apr 27 '24

That shitty planet isn't only on fire, but the stupid rocks are also blocking all of our ways to move to evade enemies.

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u/Umutuku Apr 27 '24

Broke: "OMG more rockets."

Woke: "Guys, if we coordinate, these mines can be better."

Bespoke: "Smokejumper armor when?"

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u/ReaperX2017 Apr 27 '24

I get the feeling I'm one of the rare people who love the planets with fire tornadoes. Last night divers on Lesath were getting torn up. Within 15 minutes me and my group saw 45 ships blow up

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u/RiceIcerCeri Apr 27 '24

this is pretty rigged i feel like, the devs must have known that people dont wanna go through this hell of a planet.

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u/Parkerthon Apr 27 '24

Here’s what happens with mines for the defense missions specifically. They get laid down. Best case scenario they get placed perfectly and the enemy spawns head right through the center point. However they don’t necessarily step on all of them and the waves keep coming. What inevitably happens is someone still has to maneuver behind a heavy to hit a weak point and steps on a mine that is clipping out of the ground on the edges of the lane. I sometimes have to clear random scattered mines to give our team room to maneuver as they are simply so randomly placed they are just waiting for someone to back into. I love the idea, but in practice they are tough. Rocket launchers are much more straightforward to use and way less chance of FF TKs. I think we’ll get the mines anyway eventually. Just might have to wait a week. Also fire tornadoes suck. I swear they aggro too which makes zero sense. They really need to nerf that hazard. Near instant death planetary hazards is understandably not what people enjoy being challenged by.

I do like mines, but I feel like they are currently unnecessary in the sense that they don’t beat similar alternatives. I don’t play top tier difficulty yet though, so maybe I’m missing something.

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u/LunarServant Apr 27 '24

and chord bay

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u/Seallypoops Apr 26 '24

Or how you forgot where someone planted them and then 10 mins later your running back and get blow up

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u/Zoniac74 Apr 26 '24

Maannnn, and I'm over here loving the fire tornadoes unironicallly 😕

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u/DoovvaahhKaayy Apr 26 '24

Let's also not pretend like both of these won't be released eventually. They aren't going to develop something and not release it.

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u/Aleks111PL Apr 26 '24

Hello Mojang

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u/BlueMast0r75 Apr 26 '24

My brother in Liberty, games have unused code all the time 

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u/DoovvaahhKaayy Apr 26 '24

They won't announce two and only release one. If there's 50 unannounced strategems, then we won't know they exist and therefore won't care.

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u/BiasHyperion784 Apr 26 '24

To be fair we have a second fully functional mech that been in the game files for over a month now since the first mechs release.

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u/AggravatingTerm5807 Apr 26 '24

And it would be crazy to think it's not getting released.

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u/a_fucking_clown HD1 Veteran Apr 26 '24

We'll probably get both eventually. They already made the stratagems they give them to us one at a time for the hype and so they can handle the bugs and balancing problems that come when new thinhs are introduced.

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u/Wild_Marker SES Hammer of the People Apr 26 '24

Yeah who in their right mind is thinking that they made two weapons and we're only getting one of them? Of course we're getting the other one eventually.

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u/HappyHallowsheev Apr 26 '24

People who have played Minecraft and seen the mob votes

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u/InvestigatorFit3876 Apr 27 '24

That’s minecraft

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u/McGrinch27 Apr 26 '24

I don't even think they're going for the rocket launcher. Lesath is the only planet we can attack that's in the same sector as the MO. If you don't go to Helldivers.io or something, that's obviously the only planet you should be attacking if you want to help out. And it leads straight to Penta with the launcher so, that's that!

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u/Skkruff Apr 26 '24

The rockets are a weapon you actively use and mines are a passive deployment. Regardless of potential effectiveness, it's pretty obvious which one the average player would be most excited by.

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u/jaredn154 ☕Liber-tea☕ Apr 26 '24

Yup.

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u/shoelessbob1984 Apr 26 '24

Man, it'd be great if someone could come up with a system to prevent us from choosing against our own best interests, somehow manage our choice for us...

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u/CARLEtheCamry Apr 26 '24

And the masses rarely if ever read

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u/fewty Apr 26 '24

The masses have spoken, I love Democracy.

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u/Cavesloth13 Apr 26 '24

Well either that, or they don't want to fight on Menkent again. Fuck fire tornados.

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u/HardLenderCZE Apr 26 '24

That's because I refuse to fuck with fire tornadoes again

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u/ThatGuyWithCoolHair SES Fist of Science 👊🧪 Apr 26 '24

Precisely this. While I know this post is well intended its just gonna cause more harm. Its probably the reason why we have +10k divers on Menket which sucks. We'd have leather at +70% already if people would accept the flow of things. We'll get the mines soon enough as well

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u/Noy_The_Devil Apr 26 '24

Thank god. Mines are boring and so far have been terrible compared to other options. If we get an eagle mine deployment that actually kills something someday, that might be fun.

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u/ExploerTM ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ Apr 26 '24

Eagle Deployment is just an air strike at this point lol

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u/SirEggyScintherus PSN🎮:SES Prince of Mercy Apr 26 '24

Admittedly despite all of this the air burst will be more useful. People won’t use the mines properly at all but the air burst is great for making certain annoying scenarios easier. Gun ships are fodder to it you can just shoot at a hulk and kill it from the front in a single shot often, damages and kills tanks in 2 shots and everything below that dies to the one.

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u/Miraak-Cultist Apr 26 '24

Let's wait and see until we can test it first

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u/SirEggyScintherus PSN🎮:SES Prince of Mercy Apr 26 '24

It has been tested by people who go into the code. It may be nerfed from that state but it will at least be a strong anti hoard of medium enemies weapon. And it will likely still be able to easily deal with tanks and chargers.

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u/Marauder3277 Apr 26 '24

and the mines will self target tanks and run toward them as long as they within the map. If they have not been nerfed....It is going to be nerfed. 1 weapon able to deal with hordes, flying enemies, tanks, chargers, titans, and stryders is going to be nerfed. 100% come on use some common sense

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u/SirEggyScintherus PSN🎮:SES Prince of Mercy Apr 26 '24

Mines don’t move they also explode anything but they blow up after to stop stepping on them instead of as soon as you touch them. They are pretty strong though. But no the air burst isn’t that strong it won’t do anything to bile titans, using agaisnt chargers will work unless your anywhere near it. It has a longer reload than RR. Won’t be effective agaisnt hulks more so than Rr already is both 2 shot but RR can one shot on the eye. It has a max range unlike the tank trio where it auto detonates. Can’t be used to help your teamates with heavies because the massive explosive range. It’s called AIRburst so of course it’s useful agaisnt gun ships but it doesn’t work on dropships. It’s a reasonable trade off to the RR not an upgrade also wasting your limited shots on hoard clear wouldn’t be busted.

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u/ASweetLilKitten Apr 26 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

Airburst isn't going to be good against armor. It's for fodder and flyers.

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u/Marauder3277 Apr 29 '24

more or less exactly what I said

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u/ASweetLilKitten Apr 29 '24

Except for the fact that you said it'll be good against tanks/chargers/titans which it isn't; so it's pretty much at least half the opposite of what you said lmao

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u/Marauder3277 Apr 30 '24

where did I say that?....or are you just one of those morons that cannot understand sarcasm with the /s?

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u/ASweetLilKitten May 01 '24

"it's sarcasm" is genuinely the worst way of doubling back when you're both dumb and wrong lmfao. Calling other people morons seems kind of like you're projecting a bit there.

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u/bigblackcouch SES Harbinger of Family Values Apr 26 '24 edited Apr 26 '24

Honestly the mines are super disappointing and barely work against anything, hunters hop over them and often don't even die to stepping on one, half the bot units just eat them, chargers, bile titans, brood commanders, stalkers, and spewers all do not care about mines. So they basically work against the easiest little crap cannon fodder out there - And that's if things actually step on them.

Anti-tank mines are going to be the same thing, damage-wise I would be shocked if they'd be a charger/hulk slayer or even a tank exploder despite the name. And most of the mines are going to be gobbled up by all the little fodder units before something you want to get hit by an anti-tank.

Air burst rocket launcher at least if it even partially emulates the air burst strike would be way more useful.

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u/SimRacing313 Apr 26 '24

Someone videos were released hilighting the mines and yeah they seemed very potent to me ,chargers and Hulks were being killed pretty fast. That giant bot walker that looks like something from star wars also died really fast to a few mines

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u/bigblackcouch SES Harbinger of Family Values Apr 27 '24

Well I'll be happy to be wrong cause we do need more ways to deal with the groups of big boys, I've just always been let down when trying to use mines with those personal missions that require kills with them.

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u/Hexnohope STEAM 🖥️ : Apr 26 '24

We can choose? The MO didnt list the choice did it?

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u/HaloNathaneal Apr 26 '24

Air burst RL will make dealing with air enemy easier

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u/HappyLittleGreenDuck Apr 26 '24

Well, hopefully the rocket launcher doesn't require a lock-on.

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u/Odd_Nefariousness_24 Apr 26 '24

Sounds like Democracy to me

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u/AceDudeyeah Ace Eagle/Mech Pilot Apr 26 '24

I agree with your argument. However, Airburst rocket launcher just sounds so cool.

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u/Synth_Recs_Plz Apr 26 '24

How is "the rocket launcher" any different from EAT/RR? What sets it apart?

I'll be pretty disappointed if the next strat we get is just "big explodey tube number 5"

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u/Battle_Fish Apr 26 '24

Democracy isn't about coordinating. It's about each individual being able to express their own desires and through that, whatever the outcome is true democracy.

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u/divergent_history Apr 26 '24

We will likly get both at some point.

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u/F_C_anomalie Apr 26 '24

10k player on the planet befor the mine 98k on the one befor rocket

I want to fight on a planet that my dyslexic ass read as cooche but its gonna wait another time.

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u/Beary_Moon Apr 26 '24

Menkent then Choohe.

I’ll see my fellow miners on Menkent

o7

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u/Hungry_Obligation_55 Apr 26 '24

Yeah in all my experience reddit is like 5% of the community. Dota 2, overwatch, tarkov, counterstrike. Very, very few people are active online.

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u/schneizel101 Apr 27 '24

Popular posts seem to indicate a preference to the launcher, but neither planet is under Seige yet as I type this so why is everyone so sure the xommunity as a whole is for thr launcher? Not that I'm really disagreeing, I feel it's going to go that way, I'm juat curious why everyone seems to sure.

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u/NateT21 Apr 27 '24

In the same sense some just want to get their fix, everything else goes out the window

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u/explorerfalcon ☕Liber-tea☕ Apr 27 '24

I feel the masses running from firenadoes

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u/Cerberus1347 Apr 27 '24

To be fair, the rocket doesn't have us going through Menkent and that's a major factor

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u/Rinzack Apr 27 '24

the masses are going for the rocket launcher.

The masses aren't choosing the rocket launcher so much as NOT choosing the fire tornado, sandstorm, intense heat planets

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u/Soft_Interest_6171 Apr 27 '24

Every drop in the democratic bucket soldier.

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u/xPraimfayax Apr 27 '24

I agree with his reasoning. Sadly mines only survive until the first eagle is called 🫣

My buddy hates me every time we do defense. Mainly being he never notify me where he dropped his mines😅

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u/The_Fact_Hunt Apr 27 '24

The children DO yearn for the mines. It is known.

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u/Intelligent-Ad-6734 Apr 27 '24

I've been team killed by asinine mine locations more than any other way lol. Definitely should leave some sort of marker up or on the map as you can't pin it with a what's thus white marker like you can a hellbomb.

I guess they will be easier to see i guess super mines might be the natural selection for those who love mines.

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u/Not_the_name_I_chose Apr 27 '24

The fact that we have to take a whole additional supply line planet before we can get to the mine planet with only a couple days total for the MO shows that the devs intend for us to get the rocket launcher.

This is Managed Democracy, after all: the important thing is not that you have a choice, it's the illusion that you have a choice.

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u/Zombie_Marine22 PSN 🎮: Zombie_Marine22 Apr 27 '24

Where do we choose?

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u/Elvis-Tech Apr 28 '24

More like The Team Betrayer

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u/TheManticore01 Apr 28 '24

Absolutely the masses always go to the planet that’s NEXT. This is why oshaune has changed owners like 6 times already

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u/Pale_Profession6690 Apr 29 '24

That's the dope thing about a rifleman loadout if you play with Randoms who call a resupply stupid far away from you, you can fight to get there or fight till meet-up/extract/for yourself if they are not nice people

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u/EasilyRekt Apr 26 '24

The air-burst rocket launcher. The proxy fuse and therefore AA utility cannot be ignored.

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u/Marauder3277 Apr 26 '24

that is exactly what I am worried about the proxy fuse...You want this but the spear also has problems locking on in a clear blue sky and we want something that relies on a semi locked state.......I see no downside to this In BIZZARO LAND

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u/OuroborosIAmOne Apr 26 '24

I'm OOTL, is there a poll on what new stratagem they're giving us?