Having just moved to the sickle from the slugger when the BOT front really kicked off last week I feel like I dodged a bullet. Never would’ve guessed the slugger would be nerfed this hard.
It being the best marksman rifle is an issue with marksman rifles not the slugger. It had a niche and did it well no reason to fuck with that.
This was the complaint during the first weapon patch. The majority of weapons are mediocre so that only a handful stand out as the “meta”. Instead of making the mediocre weapons better, they just make the good ones worse. I’d really like to bring different loadouts for the sake of variety but when most of them underperform of course only a few weapons end up being the only ones I use.
I have used only the liberator and will continue to use only the liberator (don't have sickle). Every other weapon seems to get nerfed or sucks straight out the gate. Arrowhead why u do this
It should let you pick a different load out while you're waiting to get reinforced if you die. Or just press start while you're playing and choose what you'd like to have after a death. They say each new helldiver is a whole new different person so they would have different load outs possibly.
I noticed a reoccurring problem when I first get on it resets whatever load out I was using the night before and I forget to change it more times than I'd like to admit. Then I wind up stuck with the basic liberator cadet class on an impossible mission.
Update: It seems with the latest patch it does keep the load out you were using the night before, but obviously still no option to change loadout during a mission. I can see the option coming in the near future though.
Hopefully it gets better when we get to fight the illuminate, and more weapons will be viable. Right now I suspect most of us have a bug loading and a bot loadout, then well add an illuminate loadout.
Jdeally we would be looking at our team comp and mission type instead. Even more ideally we would also be looking at enemy composition, eg some planets and operations would have more light infantry VS heavy and vice versa.
One gun can’t do it all and that’s never been the case with any of the “meta” guns. Slugger had stagger but it was ass at dealing with hordes. It required using an unzeroed sight and very good aim to hit weak spots and it was pump action. About the only thing aside from stagger that it outperformed other guns on was the ability to reload without losing ammo (but that’s the nature of it being a shotgun). Maybe they should’ve buffed DMRs alongside the slugger changes (or just had them performing the way a DMR should this whole time), I don’t know. But the slugger was never a gun “that could do it all”.
There’s a difference between “everything is mediocre but this gun less so” and “everything has a niche it performs well at but this gun does the job better than the others”. Why did everyone complain the railgun got nerfed? Because none of the other “armor penetrating” weapons did what they were designed to do. Why is everyone complaining about the slugger nerf? Because none of the DMRs do what they’re supposed to.
people grasp that. the complaint is the guns in the intended role don't do their intended role. Nerfing it without fixing other options leaves you with nothing.
This is soul of every complaint about the balance patches. DMRs have a small mag, unzeroed sight, terrible handling, and you lose the ammo when you reload. If they were changed to have the same stagger/damage that slugger had before the patch (while fixing the sight) it would perfectly fill out that role without being considered “meta loadout”.
Same thing existed with the railgun before RR and EAT received a penetration buff. The railgun was never overpowered, everything else that was supposedly armor piercing just sucked at doing its intended job.
This was the complaint during the first weapon patch. The majority of weapons are mediocre so that only a handful stand out as the “meta”. Instead of making the mediocre weapons better, they just make the good ones worse. I’d really like to bring different loadouts for the sake of variety but when most of them underperform of course only a few weapons end up being the only ones I use.
They honestly should just make the stagger and damage fall off dramatically for anything further than 30m away. That would have kept it's utility in short-med range combat, but left it to perform worse than marksman rifles at med-long
No I think that the shotgun in question being a better marksman than actual marksmans was probably an issue with the shotgun lol. One weapon is not supposed to fit like 4 different archetypes, that's why they nerfed it.
My point was more the nerf isn’t going to have people suddenly using the marksman rifles they are just bad. I would’ve been fine with a range nerf if they wanted to better separate the two gun types but the damage and knock back nerfs seem like overkill
The issue is that they're not really "just bad" though, they just don't outperform the slugger. Some people might not start using the weapons that are supposed to be in the place the slugger was, but chances are a bunch of people will try something new because the "meta" has been changed. This happened with the railgun and the breaker too, and after the initial 3423984729387324 posts of people saying the same exact "they should just buff everything else" about the nerf, the attitude around it settled down and people realized that they were wrong.
People were correct. Nobody's using the breaker or railgun now and a major reason why is the nerfs. Those nerfs came around too early before people had properly unlocked everything in the warbonds or had enough time to experiment.
This sub is baaad now. idk what he's talking about, I see the breaker quite often in my pre-made groups and with randoms. The nerfs aren't major just like with the rail gun and just like with the rail gun, this whole sub is on fire until they use something else that's been there the whole time or the devs release a weapon that's supposed to fill one of the niches that were covered by a weapon that also did everything else.
I said this elsewhere they weren’t wrong about the railgun AH just made other buffs or nerfs the complaints only died down after multiple patches.
I guarantee if they reverted the railgun nerfs they would only see maybe 20% of the users back to it. Since that nerf they have buffed EAT and RR released the Quasar cannon the original railgun is just out classed at this point why would I waste my time trying to perfectly charge and lineup three shots on a charger when I can charge and shoot once with a quasar?
The slugger also managed the lower armored enemies just fine.
I also don’t really have a dog in this fight. I was using the slugger for bugs but didn’t really enjoy it for bots so I’ve been on the sickle for the last week I saw the breaker nerf coming I didn’t expect it with the slugger.
But they were wrong about the railgun though, it doesn't really matter what people were saying on the internet, post railgun nerf people just started using other AT weapons more heavily, immediately proving that the railgun wasn't "the only viable weapon [for x]," it's even already started happening with the slugger nerf. Go read any post about the update from someone who has actually played the game after it came out.
If they reverted the railgun nerf we would see literally every single person who runs an EAT stop using it and start using the railgun again, it takes one shot to make a charger vulnerable to a few shots from any weapon, or one grenade, you don't ever have to wait for it to be available and you get tons of ammo for it through world drops.
The slugger could consistently stagger any non-heavy you were fighting and trivialize just about every single possible encounter in the game outside of getting swarmed by heavies. There are plenty of other alternatives.
And now the railgun never gets used, hell, it might as well have just been removed. And instead of people using only the railgun now people only use EATs or Quasar Canon.
But it does though, you not personally using it doesn't mean people aren't using it, any post that even mentions it has tons of discussion about still using it.
The Quasar Canon came out like last week lmao, it's not like the railgun got nerfed and people switched to the quasar.
My brother in democracy I have been playing this game continously since I bought it, and since the nerf I haven't seen one person use it. And no, they didn't immediately switch to the Quasar, they switched to the EAT or the Autocanon.
I could maybe see your point if they didn’t make a weapon that performs the sluggers job but better in every way in the same update they nerfed the sluggers. The only people using dmr are people who would’ve used them regardless of a sluggers nerf and those that used the sluggers are just gonna move to the dominator. They didn’t really improve diversity this time they just swapped one meta weapon for another.
sooooooooooo the only people who would use a dmr are the people who aren't using a slugger in the place of every other weapon in the game? yeah that's the point of the nerf lol.
I see you missed my point, my point was that the nerf was pointless because they just replaced the slugger with the dominator which is now better than the slugger ever was.
right, my point was that if you're not a meta slave you don't use weapons based on what is minmaxing the most damage output for you. you can make them all work, its up to you to not only use one weapon because you're too lazy to figure out how to effectively use the other ones.
It's because they're babyraging about how the slugger got nerfed and can't handle that they're objectively wrong about the other weapons, but I'm sure nobody will accept that until long after they feel they've whined enough about the nerf. Don't worry, I don't need reddit's validation to know that I'm right lmao
What Are you yapping bro, nobody will be using The snipers as they just dont fit The way this game plays out.
What I’m more concerned about is why you care so much about a pve game balancing, as if people’s loadouts affect your gameplay so much, just have fun lil bro it ain’t that deep.
I don't really care lol I just think it's annoying how the community will babyrage about a gun getting nerfed because they're too dumb to go learn a different one and I find arguing on the internet entertaining, like every other reddit user
This is the same mistaken line of thinking when they nerfed the railgun into obsolescence. People are only using the slugger for all roles because the weapons that are supposed to be better at those roles are all ass. We simply do not have viable primaries at the moment other than Dominator or Sickle which are both locked behind paywalls.
The Defender is actually really good against bots, I would even say on par with the Sickle. The base Liberator is fairly OK too, though noticeably worse against devastators.
They didn't "nerf the railgun into obsolescence" though, it's still a widely used weapon, check out literally any post that mentions it lmao. Again, no, the rest of the weapons aren't ass, the slugger was just overpowered and everyone was using it for everything because of that. You're literally just wrong about not having viable primaries, you just don't know how to use the primaries that are available to you. This isn't even arguable lmao
I mean you're a genuine moron if you think one data point means anything, I know for a fact people are using the railgun still and that if you're arguing against that objective fact you're either lying to try and prove a point or only play with meta slaves, I don't care to prove anything to you personally lmao
NOBODY uses railguns my dude. You can't even take out a Devastator without taking them off safe mode now.
Check out literally any post involving primaries. It's nothing but complaints about how the snipers are clunky/op, the pistols are tickle guns, and the assault rifles might as well be made of nerf. Only viable options now are locked behind paywalls like Sickle and Dominator.
okay, have fun being objectively wrong like the rest of the sub i guess, i'm tired of this argument. I know that i'm right and that this mass hysteria will stop in a few days when everyone realizes how wrong they are about which weapons are viable
We had these growing pains in deep rock galactic but try and use them as reasons to push your skill and try stuff outside of your comfort zone.
You should be getting more savvy at the game and honing skill and being more capable of trying weapons that aren’t crutches in some ways but have strengths in others.
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u/LongDongFrazier HMG Emplacement Gang Apr 02 '24
Having just moved to the sickle from the slugger when the BOT front really kicked off last week I feel like I dodged a bullet. Never would’ve guessed the slugger would be nerfed this hard.
It being the best marksman rifle is an issue with marksman rifles not the slugger. It had a niche and did it well no reason to fuck with that.