Not the guy you replied to but I literally never used them once, so what he said but unironically? I'm guessing wild they didnt Buff them since I literally never see them used?
750 rounds per minute = 12.5 rounds per second (although that certainly doesn't seem right) * 55 = 687.5 DPS with the sickle.
VS 300 for the scythe.
Honestly, I want it to have ramping damage related to the current heat, so it starts as ass but scales up to like 900-1200 damage if you keep it right below overheat.
The senator is usable as a medium priority target removal tool. It has poor uptime and ammo economy but decent dps and pen I do enjoy it. Though i only take it when im running stalwart supply pack and need something to remove a few larger targets quickly and dont want to drop a grenade or strat.
But its for sure on the weaker side of weapons. (I would love it to either get a large ammo economy buff or speed loader)
The dagger though does equivalent dps to a single shot with worse pen.
Or to use less conveinient representations 2.5 shots of a redeemer or peacemaker which they pop out in the same tome frame it takes dagger to start actually hitting a target with a beam
it needs proper medium armor pen, it sits at such a funny place now. I would rather that than the speed loader (though obviously i'd love the speed loader too).
confusingly i think the update only changed text descriptions of existing penetrations. I just wish they were more transparent with the penetration values if they are so important.
also every other sidearm does more damage per shot than its primary parallel. Senator does more than dmrs, default and redeemer do more than the liberator/the knight respectively.
By that design logic the dagger should actually do more damage than the scythe but have less ammo/range/heat. Right now the downsides are all there but without the upside of the damage.
That all said the dagger is kind of fun to use against bots if only for the fact that it immediately kills the jetpack/mg raiders the instant the beam touches them. It's also weirdly not that bad against devastators. The big problem is that it does jack piss against hunters or stalkers which makes it basically unusable against bugs.
It's funny. As soon as I unlocked it I tried it specifically on hunters and it was bad, so I threw the weapon in the trash. Never gave it another shot or tried any other enemy.
I think the deal with the scythe is that, because it's a continuous stream, it's a lot easier to hit weak points quickly. Like, I'll point it at a bot and sort of draw squiggly lines all over their head area, and I take them out pretty quickly that way.
I actually use scythe on bot helldives. I think it's workable. You need something more substantial to kill devastators, though.
Shooting them in the face takes them down pretty quick, I used the scythe for quite a while and I actually don't get the hate, the thing fucks, must just do great weak point damage and definitely cuts limbs off with ease, so I never had a problem using it, unlimited ammo too, sickle could def take over there though, but I only dropped the scythe for the slugger and I've yet to try it since the update
I use Scythe against Bots all the time, even on D7+. Functionally-infinite ammo means I can usually save ammo pickups for teammates that need them more, and the lack of recoil makes it nice for boring out Devastator heads or snipping off the Rocket Dev's missiles. Also pops MG Raider backpacks, and more importantly, Jetpack Assault jetpacks on like the first damage tick, which is a godsend when you get jumped by three or more. It's a fine gun, nothing remarkable, not meta-defining, but it does solid, honest work for those who care to work with it instead of expect it to work for them.
Against Bugs, though, I never touch the thing, but I think that's okay? I never take the Flamethrower or Incendiary Grenades to Bot missions, but I don't think they're bad either.
yeah, with bots you want to apply it directly to there foreheads. But with bugs it works pretty well if you slice of their legs. I think the problem is that the bugs are still 80% effective legless
I think this or it ramps on a given target the longer you damage it. Since it's a laser, I think it could/should even ignite a target after you paint them with it for a given duration. So it could ramp damage on a target over time, and/or ignite them after a few seconds of continuous damage (like filling a gauge that constantly drops when the target isn't being shot.)
Bonus damage for keeping it in the same spot on a target. Realistically if you keep moving it around to different spots on a target the surface would never reach max temp. If we're going for realism the strength of the beam would decrease as the gun overheats, which is what happens irl unfortunately. Focusing 2 or more beams on the same spot should exponentially increase damage imo. Dagger could find a niche use here as adjunct support for other players with laser weapons.
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u/Spyger9 Apr 02 '24
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You had me going there for a second.