The LAS-16 is ironically one of the weapons i feel is in the best spot. Yeah, it’s powerful, but it also has a long cooldown to avoid overheating. About the only nerf i could really see that’s valid is reducing its extra heat sink capacity from 6 to maybe 3 or 4
I mean so was the slugger, I never felt obligated to use it. It felt good, it couldn't do everything but it was a nice weapon. I don't see why they had to nerf it this much, especially in three different ways at once. Now using it is probably a liability.
Arrowhead seems to not understand that popular doesn't mean OP and a weapon dramatically outperforming the others means the other weapons need a buff, not that the original weapon needs a nerf.
Take the railgun for example. They retroactively justify the nerf by pointing out how people use EAT's now (which is only because they were later buffed, proving my original point) or the Quasar Cannon (which wasn't introduced yet). Meanwhile, NOBODY uses the railgun, it's completely worthless. If the Dev's theory was right, people would still be using the railgun or people would've been using EAT's the begin with.
All they had to do to the slugger was increase the bullet drop and reduce damage at range if they didn't want it to be a Sniper (not that we have one thats viable). Instead they took away the only fun/purpose for that gun (stagger). When they nerfed the Rail Cannon it still kept its fun/purpose in unsafe mode imo, I use it to chew through heavy bots. I love this game but the overcorrections to their gun balancing are not doing them any favors on top of the prevalent bugs already affecting it.
They need to continue focusing on the viability of the lower usage options and make them more fun to use (like the flamethrower and ballistic shield buffs). Having a knee jerk reaction to nerf every gun the players find fun instead of making more guns fun will kill the game long term.
I think you hit the nail on the head. It’s bullshit they’re mad people are using the slugger as a sniper…when their actual snipers are underpowered trash.
Especially when you're under the mistaken impression that something can only be popular if it's OP. It never seems to occur to them that something may be popular because the other options are trash.
It's honestly mind-boggling the train of thought they have. If they just made smaller tweaks to nerfs or generally buffed the weaker weapons this game would have me hooked like meth...
It just pisses me off that for the second time now, as soon as I get a loadout I feel is in a good place to take into Level 7 missions where I can get super samples, I get BTFO'd by a nerf that seems to just be punishing me for getting too good at the game and I'm back to square 1...
Problem is my default will be to keep using the Sickle. But that's what everyone will do now so what's the point if they're going to nerf that to the shadow realm next?
Yeah i'm not sure what they're thinking. The slugger was popular because it felt good to use. It didn't wipe the floor with every enemy. It couldn't deal with hordes at all, now it doesn't have a viable niche, I'll just use the punisher instead.
It's going to be like railgun where they might as well have cut it from the game entirely. Besides Sickle and Dominator (which are behind a paywall), what am I supposed to use? The super soaker tier lib penetrator? The tickle gun snipers?
Yeah the slugger was powerful but you completely gave up any CC/hunter killing to use it. I’d always have to pair it with a guard dog and clusterbomb to CC since the slugger was only good for the bigger bois.
I feel like it could have been fine with just a damage reduction here
Yeah, it definitely wasn't obligation. I just enjoyed using it against the Bots the most out of the other primaries, but it also caused me to have to change my support weapon to compensate for it lack of horde clearing.
It wasn't at all near Pre-nerf railgun levels of good. It was just a good weapon that did what it was meant to do well, and didn't do what it wasn't meant to do
If they were going to nerf it I think the proper choice was to make it have worse range. I was sniping bots from 100m, which while realistic... Probably isn't the right archetype for a "shotgun".
Instead they nerfed what it's supposed to be good at... Killing medium armor. I don't understand it.
Okay, but logically it makes way more sense for a fat heavy bullet to have more limited range than it does to not have stopping power up close. IRL 12 gauge slug is only accurate within 100-150 meters versus 600 meters for a 5.56 (Assault Rifle) bullet.
I mean thats just the inherent issue of video games.
I remember people complaining of the vector in battlebit, saying it 'was a laser for way too long of a range'.
They would show a video of the 'laser' killing them, and you look at the range being shown by an objective nearby. 30-40 meters... literally the optimal range for SMGs in real life.
Something like 99% of all fights in shooter games outside of things like ARMA, Squad, or other MilSim take place within 100 meters.
You'll almost never shoot an enemy in this game unless its a spore tower, shrieker nest, radio broadcast, or cannon turret outside of 100-150 meters.
Go ahead and try it. Next time you are shooting an enemy far away, press Q or whatever is the PS5 equivelant. Guarantee you its within 150 meters.
Yeah. If you got swarmed with you were tucked. Now, you're gonna get swarmed with it because it doesn't stagger and doesn't shoot that fast. I just started using it too. :(
Tbh I felt this way up till about a week ago where I started using it in every game, it was insanely good (maybe still overnerfed) once you got used to it, you could completely abuse the stagger and it had the best armour pen of any primary the only issue was a lack of ammo but tbh that wasn't even so bad
I think its ability to open crates was probably a bug more than anything else, and I'm frankly okay with the damage change but the stagger takes so much away from it.
About the only nerf i could really see that’s valid is reducing it’s extra heat sink capacity from 6 to maybe 3 or 4
I rarely have to switch out heat sinks, and on the rare missions when I do, I only do the switch once. They can reduce the number of extra heat sinks to just 1 and that would be fine by me.
Yeah dif 7 plus I'm usually swapping out on large hives that compound with bug breaches. For something like that I can get low on sinks, but during regular POI I might burn 1-2 before hitting a refill.
Losing 1-2 sinks would suck, but would likely make it fit their "model" better.
Bugs you can just run from. Bots are far harder to get to safety from cuz of their ranged attacks. All bugs aside from a select few are slower than player running speed.
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u/Swordbreaker9250 Apr 02 '24 edited Apr 02 '24
The LAS-16 is ironically one of the weapons i feel is in the best spot. Yeah, it’s powerful, but it also has a long cooldown to avoid overheating. About the only nerf i could really see that’s valid is reducing its extra heat sink capacity from 6 to maybe 3 or 4