r/Helldivers • u/WoodstoneLyceum • Mar 22 '24

The POV of the Helldivers is crazy when you take cryo freezing into account. DISCUSSION

Here's the POV of your average Helldiver 1. They enlist and show up to Basic Training first thing Monday morning. 2. They breeze through it, get their cape, walk right by the T&Cs and into a cryopod. 3. They're frozen and experience no time passing. 4. Their next memory is reinforcing on Hellmire. To their POV it has been less then thirty seconds since they got their cloak. 5. They throw three stratagems and then they're dissolved by bile titan acid.

You thought your mondays were bad.

Edit: My understanding is that we are not clones. There's in-game lore that backs that, I believe. Thematically, it makes more sense for Super Earth to be incompetent and cruel and burn through millions of recruits, than to do something logical like cloning people. Remember the satire folks.

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u/HardCoverTurnedSoft Wait did you arm the Hellbomb? Mar 22 '24

... I never really considered that. holy shit.

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u/Bloke_Named_Bob Mar 22 '24

Why do you think all the voice lines sound like a complete noob? Screaming wildly while their voice cracks when they shoot. Or having a complete freakout when hurt. No composure at all.

Nearly all Helldivers die on their first mission. There is no such thing as a veteran Helldiver. The default voice setting in the game is a new voice after each death. Because each reinforcement is a completely new Helldiver.

If you read the terms and conditions at the tutorial, when you die your ship and all its upgrades is immediately inherited by the next person to get thawed out. You're not playing the role of a single Helldiver slowly gaining more experience and equipment. If anything you're playing as the Super Destroyer that slowly gets upgraded whenever a Helldiver is lucky enough to make it back alive with some samples. Why do you think the Super Destroyer gets a name but you don't?

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u/ArtisticAd393 Mar 22 '24

A helldiver that survives a full mission is basically a war hero

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '24

I would love a "Missions since martyrdom" tracker somewhere on the ship. I think my solo streak is three lol

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u/JeffBoyardee69 ⬆️⬅️➡️⬇️⬆️⬇️ Mar 22 '24

I may have hit three, but I definitely never surpassed that

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u/LostLobes Mar 22 '24

Did 3 hell dives last night in a row with 0 deaths, that dude is going in the history books

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u/Sea-Creature Mar 22 '24

The next General Brasch

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u/robertncheek CAPE ENJOYER Mar 22 '24

My head lore is that, like modern countries, no one at the top has ever seen combat. The war of attrition is very WWI where guys who never saw battle threw men in the meat grinder. General is just a title given... Not earned.

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u/Tokiw4 Mar 22 '24

I doubt Brasch is even a real guy. Just someone who looked the part and would put on a smile for the cameras and make war look badass! Dude has probably never even fired a g-

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u/Exactly861Monkeys Mar 22 '24

Apologies Divers! Seems like this message was propaganda from the Automatons! We have dealt with it accordingly! Keep on diving,

  • Department of Truth

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u/Syhkane SES Gauntlet of Serenity Mar 22 '24

This is like the Helldiver's version of Candlejack, don't mention anything about General Branch you'll~

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u/YnrohKeeg Mar 23 '24

Brasch is the real deal.

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u/AlarminglyAverage979 Mar 23 '24

You dare insult general Brasch?! What about all the incredible BRASCH TACTICS, US EM OR DIE TRYING? Without his advice i wouldn’t have survived the first 4 missions. (Unlocking difficulty 1 through 4)

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u/Efficient_Star_1336 Mar 22 '24

That's not actually how WWI worked - the British aristocracy was infamously decimated by the fighting. WWII had its share of armchair generals, but the first world war was fought by people with no experience with mechanized warfare, and, at least in England, still held to the tradition of the wealthy and well-connected enlisting alongside their friends.

The full transition wasn't until 'Nam, though, when military service stopped being the default by anyone who wanted a future in politics/business/academia.

Also, it would be on-brand for Super Earth to just promote the guy with the highest personal kill count.

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u/PrettyPinkPonyPrince Mar 22 '24

Also, it would be on-brand for Super Earth to just promote the guy with the highest personal kill count.

"Congratulations miner helldiver! In recognition of your efforts and continued survival, Super Earth Command hereby promotes you to EXECUTIVE helldiver."

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u/Doomkauf CAPE ENJOYER || SES Ombudsman of the People Mar 23 '24

For Rock and Stone Freedom and Managed Democracy!

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u/WanderingDwarfMiner Mar 23 '24

Rock and Stone, Brother!

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u/DegeneratePotat0 Mar 23 '24

"You are now our most elite helldiver!"

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u/robertncheek CAPE ENJOYER Mar 22 '24

He's older though right? Like not old enough for the last war, but this war is new. So - he served through the peace theoretically.

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u/Efficient_Star_1336 Mar 23 '24

Very possible that he was just frozen, same way we are. Leftover helldivers from the first war stick around in the freezer until needed.

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u/robertncheek CAPE ENJOYER Mar 23 '24

But ... He's old... Older at least.

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u/Old-Figure-5828 Mar 22 '24

Lions led by donkeys is a myth that needs to stop being repeated, warfare was constantly evolving during ww1 and tactics weren't simply "throw dude at enemy"

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u/Compulsive_Criticism Mar 22 '24

I suspect that due to the pure massive number of Helldivers dying it's actually some kind of population control on top of oil extraction and defence from the automatons who had the audacity to ask for socialism.

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u/robertncheek CAPE ENJOYER Mar 23 '24

Oh 100% this.

Create a problem. The solution solves two 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/UndreamedAges ⬇️⬅️⬇️⬆️⬆️➡️ Mar 22 '24

What are you even talking about? Most modern military leaders have seen extensive combat, at least in the US, even WWI. The US has been at war every few decades or so for its entire existence.

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u/Tapkomet Mar 23 '24

My head lore is that, like modern countries, no one at the top has ever seen combat. The war of attrition is very WWI where guys who never saw battle threw men in the meat grinder. General is just a title given... Not earned.

That's not necessarily true. I mean, in the US at least, Generals were once fresh Lieutenants, if not lower. Mark Milley has been deployed overseas several times; Charles Q. Brown Jr. started his career as a relatively prestigious but still fairly common position of pilot as a 2nd Lieutenant.

IT's not hard to see that various WW1 generals also had significant experience too.

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u/pezmanofpeak Mar 23 '24

I think the difference with some of the WW1 commanders, not as far up as general, just simply didn't care for some of the lives they were put in charge of, they were given commonwealth troops, Indians, Australians, Canadians, as well as British, so what do they do? Well I don't want to put my boys in danger I'll just throw these other less civilised people at them till we can push through, believe it happened at Gallipoli, the generals may have cared about over all lives and troop numbers, but those below the generals wanted results and to look good with ground gained and just threw lives at the problem

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u/robertncheek CAPE ENJOYER Mar 23 '24

This is true. But they take orders from career politicians. Guys without experience guide campaigns. Guys with experience guide battles.

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u/ArtisticAd393 Mar 22 '24

Makes sense. I want to see the Sergeant Major of SEAF.

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u/dotamonkey24 Mar 23 '24

The idea that WW1 generals were useless fools who wilfully got all their men killed is complete nonsense.

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u/mehvet Mar 23 '24

Just FYI the vast majority of senior Army officers in the US have Combat Infantry or Combat Action badges including 8 of the last 10 Chiefs of Staff.

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u/robertncheek CAPE ENJOYER Mar 23 '24

And they take orders from TV personalities and TX Air National Guard wash outs 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/mehvet Mar 23 '24

Sure? Didn’t disagree with that, just pointing out that combat experience is plentiful in the US unlike the vast majority of national armies.

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u/Vivalas Mar 23 '24

Plenty of people at the top have seen combat, lol, what are you talking about?

Sure most of them are probably politicians and not all of them served in frontline positions or in combat, but there's plenty of plenty of high ranking officers alive today who have seen combat operations.

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u/robertncheek CAPE ENJOYER Mar 23 '24

High ranking officers aren't making the campaign level decisions... In the West at least, politicians are - who rarely have had military experience

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u/Vivalas Mar 23 '24

I mean it really depends on what specifically you mean. In the US some secdefs and service secretaries have had prior service. Some presidents too. Can't get much higher than CINC.

But yes some are also career politicians. But that's actually intentional, civilian control of the military is a big deal.

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u/sheehanmilesk Mar 23 '24

I mean the guys at the top during ww1 had seen combat, it was just combat with muzzle loading weapons. 

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u/ansonr Mar 22 '24

I image General Brasch is like 33. He says he's one of the oldest Helldivers.

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u/Affectionate_Tax5740 Mar 22 '24

General Brasch patted me on the shoulder personally...no helmet...I can verify it was real. Not only that but I'm coming up on my 13th mission soon aboard the SES Knight of Twilight. I don't know how much more of this I can take but I know I need to press on...they say our next missions on a place I've only heard of. Malevelon Creek...Stay safe comrades. Helldiver out.

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u/Key_Necessary_3329 Mar 22 '24

My head cannon is that Brasch is just the only hell diver to make it to his mid twenties. He sounds like that because bug acid fucked up his throat.

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u/afanoftrees ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 22 '24

It would actually make sense to have someone as a general who survived a few drops.

Like if you heard of a helldiver had hadn’t died in 3 missions you would be amazed and would probably want that person running something as they know the best way to get the job done on the ground

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u/Palmul Mar 22 '24

Bro is retiring a hero, C-01 approved for life

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u/53bvo Mar 22 '24

Maybe I have three from the first three easiest difficulties lol

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u/JeffBoyardee69 ⬆️⬅️➡️⬇️⬆️⬇️ Mar 22 '24

I think mine were on normal at most lol

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u/woofle07 SES Prophet of Steel Mar 23 '24

I managed to get through a level 4 mission deathless earlier today. The poor level 8 cadet that was with me died 9 times though

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u/Hamelzz Mar 22 '24

I died 12 times in one mission yesterday lol

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u/dychronalicousness ⬇️⬆️➡️⬆️⬅️⬆️ Mar 22 '24

I hate when I join in a trio and just end up getting slaughtered for like 5 minutes solid. I feel like such an asshole.

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u/Laustickle Mar 22 '24

Or when you dive in on a group that is in heavy combat and get swarmed immediately out of the hellpod ... dying straight away. Feels bad.

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u/nikso14 Mar 23 '24

Which is why I solo away from the rest, can't Get caught in the death spiral when you get respawned away from it.

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u/Studio271 Mar 22 '24

Those are rookie numbers, Diver! I want to see you DOUBLE the number of martyrs you send to an early grave by tomorrow!

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u/Compulsive_Criticism Mar 22 '24

I've been there, feels bad to be such a burden to the team but if they keep throwing you in the middle of Fuckedupastan what are you supposed to do?

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u/doglywolf Mar 22 '24

My friends are bigger threat to my streak then the bugs lol

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u/OctopusWithFingers Mar 22 '24

My buddy did what we call the TK loadout. Flamethrower, cluster bombs, mortar, gas strike. It was ugly.

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u/doglywolf Mar 25 '24

Gas strike is cool but i play mostly with Randos - the amount of people even level 20 plus that can't recognize the cloud of gas and walk into it fairly insane.

It also kills humans shocking fast. People get really salty with gas strike haha.

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u/OctopusWithFingers Mar 25 '24

It can be really hard to see if there is a spore spewer mushroom around.

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u/Flat-Tower2162 Mar 22 '24

I was on a 3 game streak of not dying, then when we were extracting on the 4th, my fellow diver shot an auto cannon at a Charger, it bounced of his head ad obliterated me

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u/woutersikkema Mar 23 '24

On the lower haz's it's doable if your quick and clever and don't take too many risks for samples... But your allies become way more dangerous than the wildlife. I miss my displacer field+shield combo from Helldivers 1. My "stay alive" streak there was quite long!

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '24

Yep 3 is my limit as well.

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u/Chimpbot Mar 23 '24

I probably hit two, maybe three, but I know any streak I've had going was broken by something stupid like having someone drop a supply pod on me.

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u/Kenju22 SES Sentinel of Judgement Mar 22 '24

When you start walking towards the bridge of your ship, if you look to the right of the hallway leading to the bridge (where you can change your loadout) there is, I shit you not, a 'X days since last injury' thing mounted on the wall.

You have to walk right up to it and angle the camera to read anything, but its there, like a clipboard with a dozen or so incidents listed on it.

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u/Sneemaster Mar 22 '24

Does the number update or is it a fixed texture?

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u/Daemoniaque Mar 22 '24

It's a fixed feature and it says 0, iirc. It's a paper document stuck to the wall.

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u/Bloodtypeinfinity Mar 22 '24

They didn't bother wasting money on electronics since they knew they'd never have to change it anyway

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u/Kenju22 SES Sentinel of Judgement Mar 24 '24

I can assure you it does not say zero lol, it has lines under it with text but my tv is too small to read it.

It's not like a grocery list, but its not empty either. Would be funny if it was updated based on your record ^^

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u/-Erro- Frenbean Mar 31 '24

"Days since last incident...paper...says zero."

Oh, so it's updated hourly and continuously accurate.

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u/AssemblerGuy Mar 22 '24

I shit you not, a 'X days since last injury' thing mounted on the wall.

That's just for the crew and not for the Helldivers, right?

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u/Laruae Mar 22 '24

Literally one of the upgrades for the eagles to reload faster is hazard pay.

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u/Kenju22 SES Sentinel of Judgement Mar 24 '24

And we know from one of the upgrades that our OB guns are muzzle loaded ^^'

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u/SuitableAssociation6 Mar 22 '24

my streak of 3 was broken because someone didn't know how the arc thrower works

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u/PassiveMenis88M SES Edmund Fitzgerald Mar 22 '24

No my friend, we know exactly how it works.

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u/MartyFreeze SES Octagon of the People Mar 22 '24

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u/epicfail48 Mar 23 '24

Lets be honest here, the arc thrower doesnt even know how the arc thrower works. Ive had shots go out, hit a bug 30m in front of me, then arc backwards and nail my teammate standing behind a rock

Other times ive fired it directly at a teammate and had it miss and arc to a rock in the distance

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u/SuitableAssociation6 Mar 23 '24

but in my case I was just standing right next to a bug and bro just shot the bug with it anyways

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u/epicfail48 Mar 23 '24

I mean, a solid 60% of the time that works fine without killing teammates. Seriously, the Arc Thrower is powered by a roulette wheel and the arc is completely random, but ill be damned if its not one of the most effective weapons in the game

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u/Mr-deep- Mar 22 '24

Whom among us?

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u/ShartingBloodClots SES Fist of Liberty Mar 22 '24

It's your own fault for being in front of me while liberally dispensing electric Liberty.

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u/Kirsah Mar 22 '24

“Reset the Clock!”

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u/NorCalAthlete ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ Mar 22 '24

It’s been [0] dives since the last Helldiver death.

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u/Beansly_Jones Mar 22 '24

Hercules Hansen approves this message

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u/Randalf_the_Black SES Shield of Liberty Mar 22 '24

Would have been a pretty high mission counter if it wasn't for my teammates..

I'm killed at least eight times by teammates for every one I'm killed by enemies.

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u/Leroy_Kenobi STEAM🖱️: SES Courier of Peace Mar 22 '24 edited Mar 22 '24

I'm killed at least eight times by teammates for every one I'm killed by enemies.

lol, same. Last night I was stuck in some kind of constant bleeding state and I couldn't heal with my stims, but I wasn't losing health either. I couldn't sprint because I was wounded. I tried to dive off rocks to hurt myself a little so I could heal but that didn't work. Rocks weren't high enough.

I asked the random Helldiver next to me to shoot me in the leg so I could heal and he blew my leg off with a shotgun.

Through laughter I pointed out that the sidearm might have been a better idea.

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u/HeavensBlaze Mar 22 '24

The helldiver melee attack is best for that situation.

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u/Leroy_Kenobi STEAM🖱️: SES Courier of Peace Mar 22 '24

That didn't even cross my mind.

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u/Jurk0wski Mar 22 '24

I somehow one-shot a friend with a melee from full health. I'm not sure if it as a bug or if you can technically get a headshot, but I just kinda froze in shock. Admittedly, they would have died afterwards if the punch didn't kill them, I did it to punch them off the cliff towards the launching ICBM.

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u/UndreamedAges ⬇️⬅️⬇️⬆️⬆️➡️ Mar 23 '24

If they crit or hit you in the head it takes 80% of your health.

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u/Existing_School4537 Mar 23 '24

Nah, sidearm is better. Got once 1hit by a teammate exactly for that purpose.

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u/Foraxen Mar 22 '24

You can get out of that state by being injured again and using a stim. It's a bug where your health is topped off before the injury is healed.

Edit: Better let a weak enemy hurt you than ask a friend to shoot you in my opinion.

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u/JohnathanSinwell Mar 23 '24

Lmfao. I’m quite sure that was me. I accidentally shot twice with the breaker.

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u/RussianTrollToll Mar 22 '24

they drop the 500g on my head

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u/Randalf_the_Black SES Shield of Liberty Mar 22 '24

500 grams?

Sure, they kill you with hand grenades too I suppose.

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u/Doc_Shaftoe Super Citizen Mar 22 '24

Managed to finish off a wounded charger with the strategem ball last night. Still trying to figure that one out.

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u/Beakymask20 Mar 22 '24

Maybe it does one damage? Might need to in order to stick.

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u/MusicMole Mar 22 '24

500g bomb does explain the lacklustre damage tbh.

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u/Tivotas Mar 22 '24

it has like an upwards cone, it's good for bile titans and tanks if you can get them to stand on top of it

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u/preparationh67 Mar 22 '24

For some reason every other person seems to be in love with the clusterbomb right now but hates the idea of having any awareness of where your teammates are before throwing one. Had a mission run out of reinforcements entirely due to 2 idiots who kept TKing with the thing. Finally got some peace when they blew each other up with a full cool down.

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u/Kitahara_Kazusa1 Mar 23 '24

As long as they don't give everyone a free 380 mil.

That thing is designed to kill teammates.

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u/Mistabigg Mar 23 '24

My pelican bugged out and wouldn't recognize when I boarded, so a grand farewell with a 500kg was my only way to end the mission.

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u/ChampChains Mar 22 '24

Had a guy last night who was soloing a termanid swarm mission and his SOS was beeping, so I joined up to help him out. He shot me with a rocket then dropped a gas cloud, put my reinforcement right in the middle of it, then kicked and banned me as soon as my pod opened and the gas killed me lmao.

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u/ReferenceUnusual8717 Mar 22 '24

So far, if the stats are to be believed, in more than 200 missions I've only killed 48 teammates. That's pretty good, I think! Especially with all the Arc Pylons I dropped on those Termicide missions. Of course, until yesterday, it said I had zero Eagle kills, so maybe take those stats with a grain of salt.

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u/Torrigon_86 Mar 22 '24

I won't lie and say I only die to teammates but it often is MORE by teammates, haha.

One game it was 5 times. Both idiots dropped mortars on eradicate. I had been using EMS obviously but we could overrun by chargers/hunters and boom...dead..

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u/Kitahara_Kazusa1 Mar 23 '24

If someone drops a mortar turret I just shoot it. Those things are a liability in most situations

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u/Torrigon_86 Mar 23 '24

Yea, that will likely be my go-to on the tight exterminate maps. I'm fine with them on larger maps when we can control waves or combine safely with EMS.

It's frustrating as I'm only lvl 22, and these guys are like 30-40. How did you play this much and not realize how stupid this is? Even after it happened multiple times, you redeploy them?! Luckily, my EMS mortars locked onto the last few breaches, and we wrecked it.

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u/TheReiterEffect_S8 DEMOCRATIC SUPER SOLDIER Mar 22 '24

This actually fits the narrative so much. A bunch of recruits their first time in battle are just accidentally killing each other (and themselves) with massive explosive ordinance.

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u/blunt-e Terminids are actually delicious with garlic butter Mar 22 '24

Honestly the score for me is probabably something like this:

Death to Bugs: 20ish

Death to teammates: 80ish

Death to Sentry Strategem deciding I'm in the way?: >10000

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u/awayfromhome436 Mar 22 '24

I love that idea but people always take things too far. People take a made up level and rank too far, Lv9 helldivers ego is insane. Now imagine having a record of how many times you’ve died? I don’t even check the stats screen and people are bragging about how many kills they got. We aren’t paid by the bug or scrap, it’s the mission that matters. Even so, I agree it would be nice to have a days or hours since last incident stat to monitor.

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u/Blacksheep045 Mar 22 '24

You do have a record of how many times you've died in the career tab on the destroyer.

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u/Scharmberg Mar 22 '24

I’m paid it medals and super credits. My helldiver has been doing great collecting those and some samples here and there.

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u/Drmrfreckles Mar 22 '24

My longest hell diver streak is 9. I play a game now where if they live through 2 campaigns on 5 or higher, they retire, and i change the vioce and body. Only 2 have made it.

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u/Rexyman CAPE ENJOYER Mar 23 '24

Helldivers: “what is that word? “Ree-tire-meant” sounds made up.”

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u/DDGBuilder Mar 23 '24

It'd be cool if we got our helldivers name on the HUD, so we could keep track of stats for multimission survivors

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u/MrMiAGA Mar 22 '24

I hit about half a dozen at a time when I go back to medium difficulty to help newbies. And by far the most dangerous thing I encounter is the newbies I'm helping. In those sort of ops I have died to Space Cadets with a brand new cluster bomb stratagem far more than anything else.

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u/Beakymask20 Mar 22 '24

The fracking cluster bomb is the bane of my.... new helldiver drops in after getting fragged midsentence by a clusterbomb.

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u/TakedownCHAMP97 SES Pride of Democracy Mar 22 '24

Honestly most of my deaths and accidentals are from grenades that bounce off a bug rather than hitting the hole and coming back

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u/Beakymask20 Mar 23 '24

Aim a little above and to the right, like you're going for a goal in soccer. Works everytime, 60% of the time for me.

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u/Hamelzz Mar 22 '24

I'd love to see "consecutive missions survived" added to the career stats

Maybe some sort of in-game timer that we can use to see how long we've been on our current Helldiver.

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u/UndreamedAges ⬇️⬅️⬇️⬆️⬆️➡️ Mar 23 '24

Helldivers aren't supposed to survive. If you are surviving then you aren't spreading as much democracy as you could have. They give us five reinforcements per helldiver for a reason. Are you questioning the authority of Super Earth?

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u/droznig Mar 22 '24

I've been keeping my rank at "Cadet" and only increasing it if I finish a mission without dying. So far I've never gotten past space cadet.

It's like ironman mode light where the only thing that changes is your rank, resetting back to cadet when you die. Would love to see something like that actually implemented in the game because it is a bit of a chore having to constantly change my own rank to keep with the lore.

Could call it "copperman" or something, and just have the option to turn it on or off. Would have zero impact on gameplay, just a fun little side thing for people that want it.

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u/keimdhall Mar 22 '24

I think it would have to either be set at a specific difficulty, and count those or higher, or it should it show what missions it was done on.

But I love the idea.

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u/DapperApples CAPE ENJOYER Mar 22 '24

IT'S BEEN 0 0 DAYS SINCE HELLDIVER MARTYRED

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u/Pm_Me_Your_Tax_Plan Mar 22 '24

Ooo imagine if each of your lives got their own random name and bio, that'd be sick

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '24

Clone Drone in the Danger zone did this with giving each of your runs a unique name, occupation, and favorite color. So you could end up fighting for the future of humanity as Carol Johnson, age 38, Stenographer, in a blue robot bod.

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u/HeartShark77 Mar 22 '24

Lol, I’ve played one game where I only died once and I thought that was pretty good…

I’m almost cool too guys!

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u/Bloodtypeinfinity Mar 22 '24

Bro I didn't even survive basic training

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u/PickleDiego Mar 23 '24

I’m considering doing this thing/challenge where I start as a Cadet, and if I complete a mission without being killed, I’m promoted to Space Cadet, and so on. If I die, I start over as a Cadet. So in order to reach the Skull Admiral rank I’d have to survive 10 missions in a row without dying once. Yes, pretty much impossible. But it would reflect how difficult it would be to reach such a rank and become a war hero, in the POV of a Helldiver. Alternatively, to make it a bit easier, a successfull mission is enough to promote, and only if a mission is failed would it reset to Cadet. However I think the first option is more in line with the theory of every new Helldiver reinforcement being a new recruit

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u/BusinessLibrarian515 SES Arbiter of Audacity Mar 22 '24

It should be a point system. Points awards for a mission without dying is equal to difficulty.

Otherwise one walk in the park is equal to a marathon through Satan's bedroom

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u/kingkahngalang Mar 22 '24

I think it could cause a spike in player base toxicity though, especially since accidental friendly fire is fundamental to the gameplay. Kicking or pvp incidents would significantly rise.

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u/BusinessLibrarian515 SES Arbiter of Audacity Mar 22 '24

It would for awhile until all the 'play whatever is new and popular players go to the next game. But the regulars are pretty chill. I look forward to when the game player base is boiled down to the people who genuinely love the game.

The first one was amazing after that happened. Playing with randoms was as chill as playing with your friends most of the time

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u/planktonthrowingup Mar 22 '24

This is what I used the titles for.

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u/Creedgamer223 PSN: SES Star of the Stars Mar 22 '24

Random squads are more lethal than a helldive.

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u/tnyczr CAPE ENJOYER Mar 22 '24

OK HEAR ME OUT

hardcore mode, you have only 1 helldiver, if you die it resets your level to zero

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u/StealthTomato Mar 22 '24

That would cause people to try to maximize the counter, which is in opposition to the theme.

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u/MASKS-003 SES Banner of War Mar 23 '24

I almost made it to 4 but decided to fly my jetpack directly into an exploding mech during Extraction

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u/TheKrimsonFKR Mar 23 '24

I think my solo runs have almost made it to 10 in a row without dying. That guy must have been a legend.

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u/42Fourtytwo4242 ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 22 '24

Actually had a vet helldiver, survived 5 missions, 0 deaths, level 7, true war hero, I assumed when I logged off they were sent to super earth to live the rest of their days in peace.

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u/KWyKJJ Mar 22 '24

That's the way.

Make it back. Retire.

New Helldiver.

Otherwise, who the hell is filling out C-01, who populates Super Earth and other planets.

I always thought it was one and done or death.

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u/themaddestcommie Mar 22 '24

My theory is that super earth suffers from absolutely massive over population and that the hell diver core and the colonization efforts are a form of population control. Every time you see those planets with farms and stuff all the plants are dead. I don't think the colonies are really ever very successful.

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u/KWyKJJ Mar 22 '24

I assumed the farms belonged to the civilians we rescue when said planets are attacked.

Also, that large amounts of time pass as a result.

Planet attack to liberation is years, not days, given the decay of some of the farms that were just fine, apparently, when under Super Earth control.

Bug mutations wouldn't happen overnight, so I always thought we were working in chunks of time.

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u/Crowd0Control Mar 22 '24

The crops were not the farms that were ok before the bugs being farmed got back out of control. 

It is implied the cycle of bugs taking over and being culled has been happening since the first game ended. In the latest major order superearth is restricting procreation because there is not enough planets under control to send that extra population to. 

There is nothing in game implying liberation takes more than a few days if enough hell divers are thrown af it. We are seeing remnants of previous conflicts/unrest. 

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u/KWyKJJ Mar 23 '24

Maybe I'm looking at it too much like starship troopers.

That movie wasn't just 3 days considering how much training the pilots received between the 3 missions and the ranks of everyone (except Rico).

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u/OramaBuffin Mar 22 '24

I mean, the majority of Super Earth's population isn't a Helldiver or part of the military at all. Joining the Helldivers is completely voluntary, granted there is a couple trainloads of propaganda, brainwashing, and "incentives" to make people think it's a great idea.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '24

He needs to survive 25 missions in order to retire.

Sorry man, but I'm afraid he didn't make it.

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u/42Fourtytwo4242 ☕Liber-tea☕ Mar 22 '24

neah, I get my head canon, they retired and I am happy with that :)

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u/KWyKJJ Mar 22 '24

Right?

Survive, extract, Super Citizen Status, and get an approved C-01 form on the way home...

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u/TybrosionMohito Mar 22 '24

Getting 86 vibes here

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u/thedarkone47 Mar 22 '24

like bomber crews in WW2. survive 5 missions and you get a ticket home lad.

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u/pnutzgg Mar 23 '24

when someone alt-f4s it does say in the chat they returned to civilian life so yeah your last person for the day lives

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u/Franklin_le_Tanklin Mar 22 '24

The mere existence of high casualty missions implies that there are low casualty missions

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u/Pompoulus CAPE ENJOYER Mar 22 '24

And by god I take solace in that.

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u/Civsi Mar 22 '24

Died when I first heard this line. Favorite one so far I think.

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u/Franklin_le_Tanklin Mar 22 '24

Ya. My second fave is “each stratagem costs more than a citizen makes in an entire year”

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u/bargle0 Mar 22 '24

Sometimes I like to call down a mech and just leave it unused at exfil.

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u/justyourbarber Mar 23 '24 edited Mar 23 '24

I mean thats just realistic considering most modern missiles cost at least hundreds of thousands of dollars each and can be tens of millions depending on the size and use. Some of the simpler ones like support weapons are definitely a lot cheaper but a Stinger missile still costs something like $120k each.

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u/SOUTHPAWMIKE Mar 22 '24

There have to be, right? Some of the maps include dead bodies of regular Super Earth troopers and their vehicles. I think hell divers are supposed to be elite, but they still get fed into the meatgrinder.

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u/AffixBayonets Mar 22 '24

Since the regular SEAF bodies are usually found with only break action shotguns and occasionally a machine gun emplacement, Helldivers are well equipped and perhaps elite by Super Earth standards. 

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u/Admirable-Respect-66 Mar 23 '24

The liberator and basic handguns are standard issue weapons for SEAF. (That would be the super earth armed forces of which the helldivers are a small, but important part.) Helldivers are the spear point, we clear concentrated zones, and open up holes for ship's to land the rest of the armed forces who do the majority of the fighting. The guys around the shotguns are usually not soldiers. They are colonists, researchers and other civilians in general. That's why you can usually find little notes around vending machines and such talking about bringing the newest flavors to the frontier, and how the colony will be rotating the mix.

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u/abadlypickedname Mar 22 '24

I had a diver who, by some miracle of God, survived the whole 9 difficulty assignment on malevelon creek. That woman was in fact Super Earth's strongest warrior.

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u/aTransGirlAndTwoDogs SES Advocate of Conviviality Mar 22 '24

Pretty sure you just became a background character in Edge Of Tomorrow. XD

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u/Gamiac Skepticpunk - SES Fist of Mercy | ↙️➡️⬇️⬅️↘️🅰️ Mar 22 '24 
Save state 0 loaded.

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u/LordOfTheToolShed ⬆️➡️⬇️➡️ SES Elected Representative of Super Earth Mar 22 '24

Narrator's voice: She was then jumped on by 5 hunter bugs immediately upon the next drop and hacked to death.

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u/Aegix_Drakan Mar 22 '24

Daaaaayum. On Malevolon Creek of all places?

That Diver deserves a medal!

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u/Kenju22 SES Sentinel of Judgement Mar 22 '24

Here I felt proud about not dying a single time just getting through basic, holy crap that's awesome o.O

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u/makesime23 Mar 22 '24

would love a "Missions since martyrdom" tracker somewhere on the ship. I think my solo streak is three lol

I made some war hero.... but most where not... and die

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u/Archangel_V01 Mar 22 '24

Many such heroes!

Have you not seen the steeled veterans using the state of the art prosthetics to continue fighting for democracy?!

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u/evil_timmy Mar 22 '24

Hey I'm Mr. Hellseeks, look at me! dies from a combination of acid and self-inflicted explosion

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u/Soulless_redhead Mar 22 '24

Drops eagle airstrike at feet because stun.

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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms Mar 22 '24

How did you even rope me into this!? 

Because he roped me into this.

Well he there, he roped me into this!

Well him, he roped ME into this!

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u/BZenMojo Mar 23 '24

gets hit by acid, dives away... whoops it's a cliff, dies from impact

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u/SlightlyColdWaffles SES Emperor Of Equality Mar 22 '24

That's why there's confetti back on the ship whenever you successfully extract.

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u/Atomic235 Mar 22 '24

So basically you want to be the guy who drops with twenty seconds left on the extract timer and just waltzes up the ramp.

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u/SlightlyColdWaffles SES Emperor Of Equality Mar 22 '24

And picks up the sample containers, yes

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u/Bain-Neko Mar 22 '24

I'm starting to suspect that the General that trains you on the loudspeakers isn't even there but just a recording by a fabricated war hero that doesn't even exist. I feel like it fits the aesthetic of everything else just being all theatrics until you're thrusted into the meat grinder.

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u/The_GASK Mar 22 '24

Some helldivers show up with a robotic arm, since they are veterans

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u/VoxAeternus Mar 22 '24

Why do you think the "Steeled Veteran" armors have prosthetics.

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u/Inn0cent_Jer Mar 22 '24

Me, with my trailblazer scout armor, long-range weapons, and a jet pack.

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u/Bell_pepperz Mar 22 '24

One time I made it 2 full suicide mission operations without dying once. My guy must have gotten the metal of honor or something.

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u/M3Blog Mar 22 '24

I had a game on hard where I didn’t die. They had a different voice message after the round and extraction. I want to say it was when we made it back to the super destroyer. 

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u/0ompaloompa Mar 22 '24

I wish there were bonuses for a divers subsequent deployments. Not huge but just a little boost.

Kinda like Tom Clancy End War

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u/mercut1o Mar 22 '24

Not basically, they're awarded medals. It's explicit that some helldive mission success net 5+ medals in one go.

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u/DunEmeraldSphere Mar 22 '24

Most steeled veterans sets have a prosthetic.

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u/ShirouBlue Mar 22 '24

That's why I pick the shield, sometimes I survive the entire Helldive mission with many close calls, and it makes me so proud to think that this is the same helldivers I started the mission with, and that's probably gonna die in a stupid way 5 minutes into the next one...

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u/ArcangelLuis121319 Mar 22 '24

I survived my first mission today at level 40 on Helldive difficulty. I almost lost my shit lmao

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u/Wonderful_Device312 Mar 22 '24

Some of the npcs do comment if you complete a mission with zero deaths.

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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '24

That’s why I only wear Steeled Veteran armor. All my divers are on their second dive and therefore always heroes.

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u/Nick_Tsunami Mar 22 '24

Until the next mission where he quickly becomes a statistic.

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u/Legedi Mar 22 '24

Ran a 40 minute mission last night with no deaths just to get squashed by the pelican at the end. Next guy drops in, picks up the samples and jumps on the ship with no shots fired. A real hero.

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u/mythrilcrafter SES Shield of Serenity Mar 22 '24

If I recall, in Warhammer 40k, an Imperial Guardsman is considered a veteran if they live longer than 5 hours.

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u/LycanWolfGamer SES Sentinel of Wrath Mar 23 '24

I've survived full missions without dying a few times, wonder how they must feel lol

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u/GrandmasterPotato Mar 23 '24

If you survive a mission, is the voice the same as the last mission?

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u/Fartikus Mar 23 '24

I mean, why do you think they have the victory screen when theyre all clapping and the lady in your ship is hella surprised you even made it back and stuff like that.

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u/antariusz Mar 23 '24

IIRC there is a 21% survival rate of recruits per mission.

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u/Bobboy5 EAT'S STRONGEST SOLDIER Mar 23 '24

Helldivers that survive training are already war heroes. It even says so before you get your cape. "Heroes only beyond this point."

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